Based off what exactly? His college tape where he was always considered a 3rd or later round pick? He was the Arians slow tall QB and that is the only reason he was picked over Levis or Zach. Levis has been bad and Zach is a bust. When Baker played without any skill position starters yet went 8-9 and followed that up 6-6 with starters compared to Trask's play? That he looks good standing on the sidelines with his hand in the collar of his pads? Please give me what exactly you saw that convinces you that he can at least be as good as Baker, and using Baker as the reason is not a reason.
Before you try to say why not, that's like saying that girl there may be a better gf because while I wife has a great personality, all my friends and family love her, she is a good person and partner. But that performance in bed? Inconsistent. Let me dump her and go out with this one because scoring is all that matters. She is great in everyway but you score inconsistently
It's amazing to me every I see analysis like this: "This guy in college looked great but sucked in the NFL, therefore the guys after him must suck". That's got to be some of the laziest dumb ass shit I've seen. By that thought process, Tom Brady must have a half dozen QB's that were better then him because they went before him in the draft. Same with Brock Purdy. Further, until the Oklahoma State Bowl game Trask was trending as a first round pick. All the talented receivers on the team skipped that game leaving him with dudes that couldn't get open and he pressed, causing his stock to drop. And he's not slow, either. He showed decent mobility in the playoffs, including juking a linebacker. So he may not be Mahommes, but he's got enough functional mobility (he showed that against the Texans in the prior season escaping a number of times and making passes on the move (accurate ones at that).
Now let's get to the heart of my analysis on why I think Trask is starter material (what his ceiling actually is can only be determined with him starting with starters over a length of time). Most NFL teams continue to put a heavy emphasis on the following traits: 1) high mobility, 2) canon arm (well controlled 60+ air yards), and 3) outspoken leadership. Jameis Winston had these traits. A great number of busts have had these traits. For whatever reason a large swath of teams continue to chase these three traits even though they aren't anywhere near the most important. QB's that succeed in the NFL may have those traits, and some of the best do, but the traits that actually matter in the game are as follows: 1) accuracy at all levels, 2) an arm strong enough to accurately throw the ball 50 yards down field, 3) ability to read defenses pre and post snap, 4) the ability to avoid turnovers, and 5) quick decision making/read progression. I would argue the ability to read defenses and go through progressions are the two most vastly important traits and the ones that so many high picks aren't very good at. College ball hides these traits through systems that make it simple for the QB. The NFL doesn't because defenses are way too complex.
Trask is excellent at all 5 traits and showed that repeatedly in college and showed that in the preseason. It's why he had nearly twice the yards per reception of Mayfield and was consistently getting balls out of his hands quickly, something Mayfield has struggled with. He also showed he was more accurate throughout the field of play, but also showed a consistent willingness to attack the intermediate middle of the field, which is why his yardage per reception was so much higher than Baker's. Mayfield has only attacked the middle of the field consistently in one game and he scored a bunch of point, moved the chains a lot, and Godwin got a bunch of receptions and the offense looked like it had finally hit the big time. Then he reverted. Trask has always attacked the seams in the middle and been very successful doing so. All of this is why I have thought he was the better QB from day one and still do.
preseason games. Lmao.
Your opinion. LMAO!!
yeah good one “I know you are but what am I” comeback
my opinion = consistent with league wide opinion
your opinion = either related to or friends with trask; or just have no sense of reality and probably blame everyone else for life problems
Wait, did Baker actually have his best season ever (statistically) in his first year as a Buc??? I think he did, I think this was his best regular season ever, with his 7th or something different offensive coordinator. C'mon guys, this guy just needs a chance and some consistency and some family around him (his teammates and supporting staff that trust and believe in him). Jeez, even if we dont win against the Iggles (Which Im on the record as saying that we WILL fuc'em up-our house will be too hot for them), give this GUY a couple of years with some stability and watch out. I already saw him hit a guy about 35 yards down the field during a practice in his hand. He's got an arm, hes proved it, but its gonna get even better with stability and practice. Good time to be a BUCS FAN!
Im out
Ramon B 1981 GOO0 BUCS!!!!
At least BucHarbor is ON THE RECORD. He did not think Trask starting was a "tank" because he sees Trask as EQUAL to Mayfield, 9 wins, even though he might have started a little slower.
I disagree with that (more like Will Levis, conceding I am relying on reporting), but I don't think any other Trask supporter has actually gone on the record and we are talking about some of the "loudest" voices.
Kudos to BH for that.
Wait, did Baker actually have his best season ever (statistically) in his first year as a Buc??? I think he did, I think this was his best regular season ever, with his 7th or something different offensive coordinator. C'mon guys, this guy just needs a chance and some consistency and some family around him (his teammates and supporting staff that trust and believe in him). Jeez, even if we dont win against the Iggles (Which Im on the record as saying that we WILL fuc'em up-our house will be too hot for them), give this GUY a couple of years with some stability and watch out. I already saw him hit a guy about 35 yards down the field during a practice in his hand. He's got an arm, hes proved it, but its gonna get even better with stability and practice. Good time to be a BUCS FAN!
Im out
Ramon B 1981 GOO0 BUCS!!!!
Yeah it’s universally accepted across the country that baker earned the starting gig and a new contract with his play
it’s also accepted that trask couldn’t hold mayfield jock strap despite a few preseason plays, Todd Bowles training camp press conferences and one incomplete pass in the regular season with an impeccable spiral.
but no leave it to a handful of posters on this message board who will claim otherwise then personally attack you for agreeing with 99.3% of the rest of the population.
Wait, did Baker actually have his best season ever (statistically) in his first year as a Buc??? I think he did, I think this was his best regular season ever, with his 7th or something different offensive coordinator. C'mon guys, this guy just needs a chance and some consistency and some family around him (his teammates and supporting staff that trust and believe in him). Jeez, even if we dont win against the Iggles (Which Im on the record as saying that we WILL fuc'em up-our house will be too hot for them), give this GUY a couple of years with some stability and watch out. I already saw him hit a guy about 35 yards down the field during a practice in his hand. He's got an arm, hes proved it, but its gonna get even better with stability and practice. Good time to be a BUCS FAN!
Im out
Ramon B 1981 GOO0 BUCS!!!!
Yeah it’s universally accepted across the country that baker earned the starting gig and a new contract with his play
it’s also accepted that trask couldn’t hold mayfield jock strap despite a few preseason plays, Todd Bowles training camp press conferences and one incomplete pass in the regular season with an impeccable spiral.
but no leave it to a handful of posters on this message board who will claim otherwise then personally attack you for agreeing with 99.3% of the rest of the population.
Not necessarily in regards to Trask. Trask has a bright future ahead of him. Either here, or somewhere else. One day you'll see why JL drafted him more highly than everyone thought. Maybe Baker gets hurt and we need to give Trask the keys...dunno, but I think he'll be ready anytime his number is called, whenever or wherever that may be. GOOO BUCS, GOO TRASK!!!
Anyhoo, Im out. I think it may be, could be, a win win for us.
Ramon B 1981 GOO BUCS!!!!
PFF doesn't have Box Nix in the top 10 of "big time throws", but rest assured, Williams and Maye are sitting there.Anyone thinking Bo Nix is going to be a good QB is going to be fooled.
For QB's:
1st in YAC
52 completion % on throws of 20+ yards
Average depth of target: 6.7 yards
SOS: 62nd
System QB to the fullest, and will be a BUST in the NFL. We already have a Baker Mayfield on the roster, we don't need another guy who needs perfect pocket to hit consistently.
Quite the hyperbole. I don't want us to draft him either but he was very good with the deep ball for us. PFF rated him highly for deep ball throws if I'm not mistaken.
And he's accurate so everyone saying he's a check down merchant well... yes and no. When you hit people perfectly in stride there will be a lot of YAC.
Sos 62? Dude the pac12 was elite this year. Give me a break. Not our fault USC faltered. We beat everyone and lost to Washington twice by a combined 6 points and he played great in those games.
But still, I don't want Nix in the first... I'm sure he's light years better than Trask tho.
Yeah its quite difficult to hit people in stride when you throwing it 6 yards past the LOS, bravo. Especially when you have a pretty good OL!
I don't have PFF but late in the season they showed a stat about Nix deep ball passing and it was I believe first in the pac12. Obviously he threw it less because Ducks are run heavy and west Coast style... I think he was also 26 TDs to 2 INTs on throws over 15 yards.
You didn't watch the Ducks... and as I said I'm not wanting Nix, so don't staw man this.
Of course I'd take Maye, Penix, Williams over him. He's way better than JJ... Id take him as a 2nd round pick but def not in the 1st where he will get drafted.
I did watch the Ducks. He had one the longest time to throw in the nation. PFF has the stats to back that up. You cant seem to comprehend that most likely wont happen in the NFL. Nix wont be a good NFL QB and I can wager money it if you are that confident.
Yes the Ducks line was great this year... and again I don't want to draft Nix. He's gonna be taken too high.
But acting like he doesn't have potential or that he sucks for the reasons you listed is absolutely asinine.
Penix also had a ton of time to throw and had elite WRs. But he's, barring injury, still a great prospect and player.
I watched every ducks game and I can tell you is that Nix threw some nice deep balls. Now granted, Troy Franklin is a great wr prospect too... but lots of great plays down field.
Also it's funny that Nix held the ball the longest but ALSO threw quick check downs... those two metrics contradict one another. He wasn't throwing quick one read throws AND holding the ball way too long was he?
Weird
By that logic draft every duck o-line.
Powers-Johnson is an elite center. Let's grab him
I've actually mocked him to us in a handful of drafts.
If he's there when we draft around 20-25 then I'd be thrilled to take him. He would shore up our awful interior line.
Then maybe move Hainsey to guard or just make him a backup
yeah good one “I know you are but what am I” comeback
my opinion = consistent with league wide opinion
your opinion = either related to or friends with trask; or just have no sense of reality and probably blame everyone else for life problems
What? A "good" comeback to your "good" comeback? Seriously. You're the one that came back at my opinion with a "LMAO". I think you're opinion on QB play is bad. My opinion. The thing is 1) I never thought Trask would be bad and wasn't on the tank team and 2) unlike you, I know the only to prove whether or not Trask can be a top half QB in this league is for him to actually play with starters for an extended period. The team's HC decided he wanted to avoid a soft reset and go with his man crush from his Jets days. That's on him. We barely got into the playoffs, mostly on Winfield's playing, I might add, so I'm just not into giving a bunch of credit to a guy who's 18th in adjusted QBR and has had 9 games at a level considered mediocre to awful. I think we can do better.
But, I'm not going to root against him or the team. I'm all for winning. I'd just like to find a guy that can help us consistently (keyword) win over the next 10 years.
Stroud just got to his 3rd read in a messy pocket. That’s something Baker can’t do but isn’t talked about. It’s what separates QBs
And Stroud just whiffed on a wide open deep ball to Collins.
Easy tuddy
And Stroud just whiffed on a wide open deep ball to Collins.
Easy tuddy
beautiful throw to Shultz
stroud is good. Best OSU qb in NFL history!
Stroud just got to his 3rd read in a messy pocket. That’s something Baker can’t do but isn’t talked about. It’s what separates QBs
This and the "receivers running open everywhere" thing or "Trask won the preseason" . .. its the kind of critique/comment anyone can offer because who knows? I think Mayfield usually plays within the framework of the offense, but I also think Canales has specifically praised Mayfield for his reads.
Cue the "coach speak" troll . .. unless Canales is talking about Trask ;-) Oh wait, here's Canales saying BAKER WON THE PRESEASON:
“Really leading up to that first preseason game, that’s where it was kind of neck and neck,” Canales said of the Mayfield-Trask competition. “Baker had a couple of days that were not great and those days Kyle [Trask] really excelled, so then the disparity was a little bigger like, ‘Oh shoot, Kyle clearly won these two or three days here.’
“Coming out of the first preseason game – and obviously not playing the starters – [with] Baker being able to get out there, command the offense, talk to the group, be in the huddle and all of that. Then we had an indoor practice one of the days after that and he launched a 67-yard post route on the money to Mike [Evans] and it was like… Here is the coverage. I could see his wheels turning, he looked, he saw Mike, everything was perfect.
“He threw the ball way down the field on the money and Mike walked in. It was just like goosebumps. ‘Woah, that was cool.’ Then he kind of built and fed off of that.”
"derp. . . coach speak"
