Baker can dot guys downfield that Tua could never dream about reaching.
I'm not as young as I once was, so my memory may not be as good as it once was, but I don't remember Baker "dotting guys downfield" that often this past year. In fact, in my mind, that's one of his weaknesses. That and his number of batted passes which you list as a weakness for Tua. I didn't watch a lot of Dolphins games so I don't know how Baker's batted balls compares to Tua's. I do know Baker had a lot, though. Here's hoping he improves his play in my mind and continues to be as good as he is in yours...
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Baker can dot guys downfield that Tua could never dream about reaching.
I'm not as young as I once was, so my memory may not be as good as it once was, but I don't remember Baker "dotting guys downfield" that often this past year. In fact, in my mind, that's one of his weaknesses.
It would shock that poster to learn Tua led the NFL in Air Yards with 2,848. Mayfield was 11th with 2,370.
I’ll try to find batted ball data later.
It was definitely his biggest weakness. He improved by the end of the year on it but he by no means is nowhere near as accurate as Tua. Tua had a significantly higher completion % with passes completed over 20 yards. Baker has a better deep ball though with nothing to even back that up. 🙄Baker can dot guys downfield that Tua could never dream about reaching.
I'm not as young as I once was, so my memory may not be as good as it once was, but I don't remember Baker "dotting guys downfield" that often this past year. In fact, in my mind, that's one of his weaknesses. That and his number of batted passes which you list as a weakness for Tua. I didn't watch a lot of Dolphins games so I don't know how Baker's batted balls compares to Tua's. I do know Baker had a lot, though. Here's hoping he improves his play in my mind and continues to be as good as he is in yours...
It would shock that poster that Tua had a higher completion % too and had an higher average yards per attempt. But, Mayfield is more accurate than Tua somehow.Baker can dot guys downfield that Tua could never dream about reaching.
I'm not as young as I once was, so my memory may not be as good as it once was, but I don't remember Baker "dotting guys downfield" that often this past year. In fact, in my mind, that's one of his weaknesses.
It would shock that poster to learn Tua led the NFL in Air Yards with 2,848. Mayfield was 11th with 2,370.
I’ll try to find batted ball data later.
It would shock that poster that Tua had a higher completion % too and had an higher average yards per attempt. But, Mayfield is more accurate than Tua somehow.Baker can dot guys downfield that Tua could never dream about reaching.
I'm not as young as I once was, so my memory may not be as good as it once was, but I don't remember Baker "dotting guys downfield" that often this past year. In fact, in my mind, that's one of his weaknesses.
It would shock that poster to learn Tua led the NFL in Air Yards with 2,848. Mayfield was 11th with 2,370.
I’ll try to find batted ball data later.
Helps a lot when MIA has that massive blowout W vs. DEN. Skews a lot of season stats, for the QB and also the team offensively and defensively. Also helps when MIA played 10 games vs. teams with losing records. Even easier when 7 of those teams sport offenses with bottom-tier QBs. And 6-7 that also came to the field with bottom-10 defenses.
And btw, if Tua was such a great QB, then why did he only beat one team with a winning record? And why did he fail to comeback in every game where he was down by one score going into the 4th quarter this season? I mean, all he had to do with all those weapons was execute the offense against some mostly pedestrian defenses, and not turn the ball over. But he couldn't seem to do that. Weird, right?
Tua is basically Alex Smith, without prime Alex's mobility. Very accurate in the short to intermediate zones, less so deep, but blessed with some great receivers that could corral some of his more errant throws (Tyreek was the primary WR for both QBs, fancy that).
actually, I take one thing back. Alex was better about not throwing his receivers into hits. Alex would rather eat a sack than throw a ball that would get a receiver blasted across the middle. Tua doesn't seem as concerned about that or he's just not seeing it. Might be why Tyreek and Waddle are always injured the last two seasons . . .
And having a Chetah doesn’t hurt, although I’ve seen a few passes he’s had to slow/adjust his routes to catch.
Haven’t looked at Miami’s o-line, how’s that compare?
Baker can dot guys downfield that Tua could never dream about reaching.
I'm not as young as I once was, so my memory may not be as good as it once was, but I don't remember Baker "dotting guys downfield" that often this past year. In fact, in my mind, that's one of his weaknesses. That and his number of batted passes which you list as a weakness for Tua. I didn't watch a lot of Dolphins games so I don't know how Baker's batted balls compares to Tua's. I do know Baker had a lot, though. Here's hoping he improves his play in my mind and continues to be as good as he is in yours...
So your entire analysis of Baker's passing ability is based on just this season? You've never taken a few minutes and just looked at Baker's performances before 2023? And how many dimes did Baker throw this season that were dropped? I saw a couple, but I'm not a TB fan, so I didn't watch every Bucs game. I did see that Mike Evans had his worst year as far as drops were concerned, but I only saw one of them, so I don't know how many of those drops were legit. The other I saw was a ball that hit Otton right between the numbers.
Here's a short vid of some of Baker's better throws in his career before TB:
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Note that Baker never had the kinds of receiving weapons that Tua has been blessed with the last two seasons. And was this not Baker's first season in this offense with these weapons? In a new offense, with a rookie OC? Thought I heard that somewhere . . . how long has Tua been in that offense with those weapons? More than a year, right?
Tua is basically Alex Smith
Lolz @ this and myriad of other excuses. A simple “Hmm, I didn’t know that and was wrong” would have sufficed.
You Baker Bros are hilarious.
It would shock that poster that Tua had a higher completion % too and had an higher average yards per attempt. But, Mayfield is more accurate than Tua somehow.Baker can dot guys downfield that Tua could never dream about reaching.
I'm not as young as I once was, so my memory may not be as good as it once was, but I don't remember Baker "dotting guys downfield" that often this past year. In fact, in my mind, that's one of his weaknesses.
It would shock that poster to learn Tua led the NFL in Air Yards with 2,848. Mayfield was 11th with 2,370.
I’ll try to find batted ball data later.
Obviously noted, but heres another important stat from 2023. Baker 1 playoff win, Tua 0. Don’t get me wrong, until my childhood idol Dan Marino retired, I was a Dolphin fan and had to watch the Bills murder Dan 4 years in a row in the AFC champ game iirc, I was BORN in Miami, so if I wish any other teams success, it’s Miami and Jacksonville-Florida in general fan. So I really wish him success. But 1- he’s NOT available to us NOW, so why even bother, compare Ballerz vs who’s available…Does Tua even have any playoff wins? Ballerz Gem’d a win while with the Browns. So arm talent is monumentally important, but Leadership trumps even that. When it comes to quibbling over stats, try to weigh the value of field generalship(decision making leadership) as the more important characteristic a QB can possess, arm second, legs third. So let’s give Tua the advantage in accuracy..how does his “Field Generalship-stack up” against TUA. IMHO FG>completion %’s. Just my 2c.
Tua had 2 other games where he completed over 75% of his passes with a completion over 10 yards a clip. So yeah that game vs DEN wasn’t an outlier or skewed his stats.It would shock that poster that Tua had a higher completion % too and had an higher average yards per attempt. But, Mayfield is more accurate than Tua somehow.Baker can dot guys downfield that Tua could never dream about reaching.
I'm not as young as I once was, so my memory may not be as good as it once was, but I don't remember Baker "dotting guys downfield" that often this past year. In fact, in my mind, that's one of his weaknesses.
It would shock that poster to learn Tua led the NFL in Air Yards with 2,848. Mayfield was 11th with 2,370.
I’ll try to find batted ball data later.
Helps a lot when MIA has that massive blowout W vs. DEN. Skews a lot of season stats, for the QB and also the team offensively and defensively. Also helps when MIA played 10 games vs. teams with losing records. Even easier when 7 of those teams sport offenses with bottom-tier QBs. And 6-7 that also came to the field with bottom-10 defenses.
And btw, if Tua was such a great QB, then why did he only beat one team with a winning record? And why did he fail to comeback in every game where he was down by one score going into the 4th quarter this season? I mean, all he had to do with all those weapons was execute the offense against some mostly pedestrian defenses, and not turn the ball over. But he couldn't seem to do that. Weird, right?
Tua is basically Alex Smith, without prime Alex's mobility. Very accurate in the short to intermediate zones, less so deep, but blessed with some great receivers that could corral some of his more errant throws (Tyreek was the primary WR for both QBs, fancy that).
actually, I take one thing back. Alex was better about not throwing his receivers into hits. Alex would rather eat a sack than throw a ball that would get a receiver blasted across the middle. Tua doesn't seem as concerned about that or he's just not seeing it. Might be why Tyreek and Waddle are always injured the last two seasons . . .
Also, speaking of Tua in the 4th. Dallas cameback in their game against him and took the lead with 3:27 in the 4th. The next possession Tua marched them down and got them to win it with a FG. Last I checked that Cowboys defense was pretty good and had a great pass rush, that was a 12-5 team.
So your entire analysis of Baker's passing ability is based on just this season?
Wut? That would be a no. My opinion of Baker is based on his career stats. He has had some good years and he has had some not good years. That's what concerns me about Baker. He had a good year this year in a CONTRACT YEAR. A lot of players have peak years in a contract year. I would like to see if he can put a string of good years together. It appears to be a foregone conclusion the Bucs are going to re-sign him, so it looks like I'm going to get the chance to see if he's as good as you seem to believe, but saying he is better than Tua and Jackson is a bit much (unless you're his agent or related to him).
So your entire analysis of Baker's passing ability is based on just this season?
Wut? That would be a no. My opinion of Baker is based on his career stats. He has had some good years and he has had some not good years. That's what concerns me about Baker. He had a good year this year in a CONTRACT YEAR. A lot of players have peak years in a contract year. I would like to see if he can put a string of good years together. It appears to be a foregone conclusion the Bucs are going to re-sign him, so it looks like I'm going to get the chance to see if he's as good as you seem to believe, but saying he is better than Tua and Jackson is a bit much (unless you're his agent or related to him).
You are absolutely right to be concerned with the ying yang of Baker's career which is why despite his good 2023 season, the Bucs should be cautious in how they structure a 3 year deal with him and be careful of how much they give him. I think even us Baker Bros will admit this and that a reasonable ~$30M per year is the high end of the range
that being said, those optimistic about Baker may look at this career playoff success as a barometer that he steps his game up when it counts but are looking at him more like a Steve Youngish type career who didn't have the right fit the first few years of career then found a home in San Fran. That is the hope. I dont think many are defending his career to date albeit not as atrocious as some make it out to be, but more we are optimistic he can build off his successful 2023 season.
and right now, no, as i mentioned Jackson is a top 10 regular season QB and Tua/Baker are in the same tier of 11-20 in terms of QB rankings. Tua starts the season ranked ahead of Baker but to argue its close and that Baker can pass him in 2024...no doubt.
In terms of Lamar, this year was a huge choke job by the Ravens. So again, i think the argument is more towards Lamar's playoff lack of success. Not many would guess that Baker and Lamar have the same amount of playoff wins given their playoff appearances. The Ravens are not a playoff team without Lamar which makes him a top 10, likely 5 QB; but what a "dick tease" for the fans that they will never be good enough to win it all. Baker, on the other hand, looks to play better in the playoffs. This year with 6 TDs and 343 yards per game. In his 2021 run with 4 TDs, beating the Steelers, and losing to the Chiefs 22-17 in the division round.
Those optimistic about Baker may look at this career playoff success as a barometer that he steps his game up when it counts
hopefully most agree with this
we lost to the Lions because our D couldn't get a stop . . three TD drives in a row, I think?
Those optimistic about Baker may look at this career playoff success as a barometer that he steps his game up when it counts
hopefully most agree with this
we lost to the Lions because our D couldn't get a stop . . three TD drives in a row, I think?
yeah i think most do. Sure the game ending INT was the end but down by 8, having to travel 90 yards with 1:30 left in the game, would have been a miracle comeback - very Tom Brady/Patrick Mahomes like...and Baker unfortunately is not on the mount Rushmore of all time greats. Then again, Joe Montana and Peyton Manning are also out of the league.
so yeah 17-17 entering the 4th quarter and its suddenly 31-17 was the Lions figuring out our defensive schemes and not having dropped passes from Lions WRs which helped bail us out earlier in the game.
It's silly that anyone think's a Buckeye would simply choose a favorite QB that planted a flag in our sacred turf. It's also NOT because he had a one-off stellar performance this season - but because it matches the performance before his injury, and after Carolina. Everyone knows the dumpster fire that IS the Panther organization, it's affected EVERY QB in the mess that Tepper built...and then you have similar success show up again in LA.
I am tempted to think that this is simply the TraskForce divining an attack that lands as hard the Trask epithet - for the completely unsubstantiated position that Trask is somehow as good as Baker Mayfield. But, because poster's I respect, have a negative position on Mayfield - I must conclude that they neither love Trask, nor hate Baker, they're just convinced he isn't worth it... somehow.
So, I will say this: Baker is polarizing, he is not among the top 10 QB's, but he does have skill, he definitely proved something in another new offense, under a first time playcaller, behind a suspect line.
He was our only option, we took a risk, he took a risk, and his skill & style fit with what we wanted to do. Yes, the NFC South is weak, but we played more than the NFC South. Not manny of the losses can be hung on Baker, some of them can be hung on Canales system ran into some problems that had to be adjusted. You can pick apart Baker's game if you want to - but his play last year was in line and oin par with Cleveland prior to the injury, and for his LA stint. It's why they were able to attract OC candidates like Liam Coen (and AVP, etc). The guy is the best we had available, and he gives the team the best chance to win. There's no chance to draft a QB this year and there STILL isn't a better QB in FA - and many of you are bright enough to know this.
So, can we stop with the the 'Baker-bois/Baker-hate' stuff?
Aside from the GOAT, how long ago was it that a Buccaneer QB -other than the GOAT - won a playoff game and had us IN the divisional game to the very end (PS: I know a few of you know the answer)?
The future is as bright as it has been in a long time.
Get used to your new QB...you don't have to love him, but he's getting multiple years because he's earned it.
