No one is willing to tackle the math problem? What carries more weight? Completion %/big time throws ooooor Field Generalship?
I get it, it’s hard math, but to me. I can form a hypothetical answer, at least at this point!
hx suggests that FG TRUMPS😂 > Completion%, in fact you can insert the majority of stats here-but not quite ALL. Then, after inserting life-defining effort, Completion % can/may increase over the course of time. See TUA, he’s been working on his craft and his hard work is paying off and he has a few pieces…good for him and his fans.
so yeah I simplify it.
FG>>>>completion %
FG + Life Defining effort may Increase Completion %, but it requires Time, several games at least, but in Extreme situations, even just two playoff games last year with the promise of continuing LIFE -DEFINING EFFORT- WILL suffice.
Is anyone having trouble following that one? Im trying here.
Anyone disagree? If I’m wrong, help me see it. I’m crazy 😂😂😂
For Example; Dak Prescott is KNOWN FOR having a High completion%. BUT since he has a deficiency of (FG+LIfe defining EFFORT/LDE)=No Hoisting the Lombardi Unless he can tweak at Least One of the 2 variables: FG and/or LDE.
I'm not as young as I once was, so my memory may not be as good as it once was, but I don't remember Baker "dotting guys downfield" that often this past year.
Lol.
Im glad you were quick to pick up on this.
For near the majority of the season, he was statistically the worst deep ball passer in the league…by a country mile.
Got better the last few games, but it really bad.
And, as frustrating as the batted balls (which, ironically enough, he lead the league in).
The batted balls are also a o-line factor - there were many times his limited athleticism was good enough to dodge linemen who were in his face just after the ball hit to him, or before he finished his drop.
Beibg in the receiving end of 40 sacks, while throwing for 4,044 yards is a heck of a feet, but underscores how good of a job he actually did behind center…and my point.
Ironically enough, just found an article that stated Mayfield led the league in batted balls from 2019-2022.
So, that’s not factoring in his league-leading 2023 total.
And, also factors in at least 4 different offensive lines.
So, sounds more like a Baker thing.
Ironically enough, just found an article that stated Mayfield led the league in batted balls from 2019-2022.
So, that’s not factoring in his league-leading 2023 total.
And, also factors in at least four different offensive lines.
So, sounds more like a Baker thing.
Yes….hes short. We all intuitively understand that and all “that” entails. Most of us that enjoy football have eyes to SEE he's short. He's not “hiding it”. And that dude is still probably 4 inches taller than most of us typing. That's non-modifiable aside from cosmetic sx in Asia. Yep, he gets balls batted A LOT. So, that's just another wednesday “challenge.” lots of short QB’s have hoisted a SB trophy. Brees and Mahomes being obvious ones. Work on weakness, that's it. Mahomes overcame being short by having amazing spatial awareness to dodge sacks AND be an Effective scrambler. He developed thee “arsenal” of off-platform throwing motions each with Mario-like lightning release and “effortless zip.” Brees was the ODD man out in San Diego, they needed room for Phillip Rivers…another very high completion and big play % type qb. It was in NO, that he met his Andy Reid in Sean Payton. It was a union made in literal heaven. They fit each other like they were fated to. Each one, in turn, made the others career. Payton “saved/retooled” Brees following SDiego. Then Brees gave “Life Defining Effort” and developed “arm talent” second only to TB (this far statistically over a multi-yearcareer 15 years or something). Brees’ success fueled Peytons success in much the same way at BB and TB12 (only bb never deserved TB12, and HE proved it for all to see). But Payton hasn't been able to do squat without Brees, .…so whose really more important the QB, or the HC. That's how Brees overcame his short stature and inconsistent play while a member of the Chargers. It took him a few years, and the right match/fit at HC, but he did it and has Hoisted a Lombardi once in his life. His present to the city and his fans. Which finally brings me to…Y is Todd Bowlers still the HC and Y is JB still prez with “the’mentia!?”
Yes….hes short. We all intuitively understand that and all “that” entails.
I think one of the articles, maybe the one DH is referencing (not sure) is written to show that there is no correlation between height and battled balls.
at least in the article I saw Mayfield has the highest rate but second is 6’ 5’ Cam Newton with just a fraction lower rate. Tua is also listed as having the best batted ball rate.
not sure of accuracy
Also Reid, Tuna, Shula, Vermeil, Harbaugh, Johnson, Dungy, Chucky, Arians….these Guys win everywhere they go sans Gruden with Las Vegas, he had “jumped the shark by then.” so counter argument to Qb is more important up above. At this point, virtually all of the greats, had a great match for them when they needed it ie each of these Qb’s AND HC’S had what they needed when they needed it to create their legacy. Unfortunately, Baller has to work with Bowlers as opposed to someone like Arians…even Chucky would find a way to “weaponize” Baller and his stature, was Rich Gannon a giant of a journeyman qb, I remember him bein’shortish? Anyway hopefully Coen can do it, you know “Weaponize” Baller by creating a system that fits him like a glove…righter or even tighter…tighterrr….tighter than OJ’s glub’dat’dont’fit and all that ✌️😜
Yes….hes short. We all intuitively understand that and all “that” entails.
I think one of the articles, maybe the one DH is referencing (not sure) is written to show that there is no correlation between height and battled balls.
at least in the article I saw Mayfield has the highest rate but second is 6’ 5’ Cam Newton with just a fraction lower rate. Tua is also listed as having the best batted ball rate.
not sure of accuracy
Easy, he's got the entire OofSeason to work on it. Ok that's not a bad thing???
Yes….hes short. We all intuitively understand that and all “that” entails.
I think one of the articles, maybe the one DH is referencing (not sure) is written to show that there is no correlation between height and battled balls.
at least in the article I saw Mayfield has the highest rate but second is 6’ 5’ Cam Newton with just a fraction lower rate. Tua is also listed as having the best batted ball rate.
not sure of accuracy
Based on the data you referenced with Newton, I’m pretty sure we’re looking at the same article.
Brees being way down there (no pun intended) was surprising.
Yes….hes short. We all intuitively understand that and all “that” entails.
I think one of the articles, maybe the one DH is referencing (not sure) is written to show that there is no correlation between height and battled balls.
at least in the article I saw Mayfield has the highest rate but second is 6’ 5’ Cam Newton with just a fraction lower rate. Tua is also listed as having the best batted ball rate.
not sure of accuracy
Based on the data you referenced with Newton, I’m pretty sure we’re looking at the same article.
Brees being way down there (no pun intended) was surprising.
Yes, it would be really interesting to know more about causation.
I know WT mentioned line play and that seems obvious on things like slants when a lineman is supposed to take a D-lineman down. I think some say holding the ball too long. He did that plenty. Others staring down receivers. Same, I think.
Also, I could be wrong about this BUT coming out of college and in his first few years i think Mayfield was top 10 deep ball passer. And like you said he really struggled this season, at least until the end. I know hes supposed to have a strong arm. I just saw Josh Allen saying as much lol.
anyways weird stats so hard to know what is the real Mayfield. he had a career year in some categories while not excelling in other like deep balls
Must be a release point issue?
This was the only season I really watched Mayfield, he generally has an over the top release, but I saw some 3/4 sidearm as well.
Must be a release point issue?
This was the only season I really watched Mayfield, he generally has an over the top release, but I saw some 3/4 sidearm as well.
maybe
I just saw a PFF snippet from early on tin his carrer that had him as BOTH the league leader in uncatchable balls and the league leader in perfect throws, so there is some of that inconsistency. Maybe its all part of the gun slinger style
Yes, it would be really interesting to know more about causation
I saw WT’s comment about the O-Line, but as I said, he had 3 different lines during that period, plus a 4th with ours (where he led the league in batted passes). So, not a plausible excuse there.
I think it’s a combination of height/not seeing over the line, release/delivery, and staring down receivers/holding the ball too long.
Again, I would love to see a more in-depth analysis on it. Not just him, but the league in general.
I’m not sure why constant excuses are offered for Mayfield’s shortcomings, be it for deep passes or batted balls. Why is it so difficult for some to put blame on him? He’s a flawed player that has both excellent games and dogshit games. Consistently inconsistent, with multiple Head Coaches, Offensive Coordinators, Offensive Lines, Skill Players, and Defenses. It’s not some huge mystery. It’s who he is and has been as an NFL QB. At this point, you just hope to see more of the good than the bad.
It’s fair to give him credit for good play and blame for bad play.
