I think he's middle of the pack in the NFL. Lamar, Tua, Herbert, Burrow and Lawrence are absolutely better than Mayfield. I'm not doing the who had a better year song and dance. Mayfield statistically had a better year than Mahomes, so he must be better right? This where context is key and where people have a hard time grasping.Basically he needs 3 good WRs, a good OL, and a good RB to be successful QB. What a studLOL
Mayfield was shit on in 2021 by the Browns. Specifically Stefanski.
It was OBJ who divided the locker room and set other players against him.... John Johnson III and Newsome, a rookie DB at the time who has yet to play up to his draft status
A relaxed Baker is a Dangerous Baker and once a couple holes are plugged and another WR with speed added this team will be dangerous every week
Tomorrow I buy a Bucs hat
Baker needs 'better than average,' receivers, OL and running game.
Btw, what QB doesn't? No QB can be successful without a decent OL. Even Mahomes couldn't win without an above-average OL the most notable occurrence was SBLV vs. your Bucs. But you can go back and look at the Chiefs 2019 campaign when several chiefs OLs went down to injury early that season, leading to a string of losses until he got them all back around Week 11. Even then it took several weeks for the OL to gel. ditto the 2021 season. Burrow couldn't get into the playoffs until they shored up the OL.
But Baker doesn't need "elite" OL, receivers and running game to win. Hell, your OL wasn't playing at an elite level in the playoffs this year, and Baker still handily beat GB and came within a possession of tying DET with multiple pass-rushers in his face on every passing snap. Think about how many QBs could have done better than Baker in those situations; it's not a very long list. Mahomes, Josh Allen, Burrow, Stafford, and Cousins (mostly based on his career stats; the tape doesn't fully corroborate that)? After that it gets a little murkier. Maybe Lamar, Herbert, Hurts? Too early imo to include CJ Stroud. And based on Lamar's performance vs. KC last week, he's pretty iffy. And I know that Baker is better than Hurts, having watched both plenty since their OU days.
Baker isn't elite or top-5, granted. But right now he's probably the 5th best QB in the NFC. No worse than 7th. In the NFL he's no worse than 11th? And that's if you believe that Tua, Lamar, Herbert and Lawrence were better QBs than Baker in 2023, which I could argue at length that they weren't.
I mean, are we saying you can't win a SB without a top-5 QB? History seems to indicate quite the opposite.
Yes, I don't think Mayfield will win a SB here, or ever. It requires consistent high level QBing for 4 games. Mayfield biggest problem has been consistency in his career and I don't think that will change.
Hurts/Lamar, not a chance. They're better runners, but hardly better QBs. Neither has anywhere near Baker's Arm strength/talent, and Lamar/Hurts can't stand in the pocket and pass under pressure consistently. Not in their skillsets. Probably never will be for Lamar. Hurts might eventually get there. Baker is far better throwing to the deep zones, particularly down the boundaries than either of those two.
Lawrence, well, the jury's still out, imo. He's shown plenty of flashes, mostly in 2022, but he didn't grow much this season, and most thought he'd really come into his own in 2023. I didn't watch much of him this year, so I won't criticize him much here.
Tua is not in Baker's league. Tua is a very average QB with a very average arm that's been propped up by the ridiculous level of talent he's had, and yet when pressured he still can't win a playoff game, because he can't get past his 1st read and he has no ability to scramble and play out of structure when his protection breaks down. He also has no ability to win from behind. He literally can't run a 2-minute offense.
Put another way: Tua, Lamar, Hurts all need to be in a specific system, and need a lot of talent around them, and need to be out front by half time, to be successful. Baker has already proven several times over that he's not a system QB, having been relatively successful under 7 OCs, and only been a failure in one (CAR), and so far no QBs have been successful in CAR. he also doesn't need elite talent. His first two seasons in CLE his best WR was Jarvis Landry. His best TE was Demetrius Harris, due to Njoku being out for a year.
And Baker can win from a deficit. He actually plays better when his back is against the wall. Lamar, Tua and Hurts all struggle/shrink in that situation.
1. Patrick Mahomes - didnt have the best stats but because of his unbelievable playoff success and ownage of Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson, hard to argue anyone above him. Albeit, we have indeed not yet seen Kyle Trask get meaningful playing time so your lucky...for now Mahomes.
2-10 - in no order - Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, Lamar Jackson, Brock Purdy, Justin Herbert, Dak Prescott, CJ Stroud, Jalen Hurts, Aaron Rodgers
now the follow up question to 2-10 is how many of those QBs can win the Superbowl (sans AROD)? Hurts was close but has his pumpkin struck mid night? Burrow also close but....ooppps he just got hurt again. Purdy? I'm rooting for him on that stacked team. I dont want to see Mahomes win another. apparently Allan and Lamar can't get past Mahomes. Herbert...can his career record go above .500 this year? Stroud and Love had good opening seasons - let's see if it continues. Prescott? how the heck did they get blown out by the Packers at home. first team to lose to a 7th seed in playoff history.
All those QBs have potential to be "The Guy" but so far only Mahomes has been to promise land in addition to Rodgers once in his career.
11-16 (in no order)- Kirk Cousins, Matt Stafford, Trevor Lawrence, Tua Tagovailoa, Jared Goff, Jordan Love
17 - Baker Mayfield
that's probably where Baker starts the 2024 season in the 14-20 range and depending on play can work his way up. He ranked in top 10 in many of the statistical categories in 2023 but injuries to key QBs likely lands him in the middle.
1. Patrick Mahomes - didnt have the best stats but because of his unbelievable playoff success and ownage of Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson, hard to argue anyone above him. Albeit, we have indeed not yet seen Kyle Trask get meaningful playing time so your lucky...for now Mahomes.
2-10 - in no order - Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, Lamar Jackson, Brock Purdy, Justin Herbert, Dak Prescott, CJ Stroud, Jalen Hurts, Aaron Rodgers
now the follow up question to 2-10 is how many of those QBs can win the Superbowl (sans AROD)? Hurts was close but has his pumpkin struck mid night? Burrow also close but....ooppps he just got hurt again. Purdy? I'm rooting for him on that stacked team. I dont want to see Mahomes win another. apparently Allan and Lamar can't get past Mahomes. Herbert...can his career record go above .500 this year? Stroud and Love had good opening seasons - let's see if it continues. Prescott? how the heck did they get blown out by the Packers at home. first team to lose to a 7th seed in playoff history.
All those QBs have potential to be "The Guy" but so far only Mahomes has been to promise land in addition to Rodgers once in his career.
11-16 (in no order)- Kirk Cousins, Matt Stafford, Trevor Lawrence, Tua Tagovailoa, Jared Goff, Jordan Love
17 - Baker Mayfield
that's probably where Baker starts the 2024 season in the 14-20 range and depending on play can work his way up. He ranked in top 10 in many of the statistical categories in 2023 but injuries to key QBs likely lands him in the middle.
Now THIS is a good post (even slipped in the TDS - Trask Derangement Syndrome)!
Kudos to you, sir!
that shootout in Houston was fun to watch!I think he's middle of the pack in the NFL. Lamar, Tua, Herbert, Burrow and Lawrence are absolutely better than Mayfield. I'm not doing the who had a better year song and dance. Mayfield statistically had a better year than Mahomes, so he must be better right? This where context is key and where people have a hard time grasping.Basically he needs 3 good WRs, a good OL, and a good RB to be successful QB. What a studLOL
Mayfield was shit on in 2021 by the Browns. Specifically Stefanski.
It was OBJ who divided the locker room and set other players against him.... John Johnson III and Newsome, a rookie DB at the time who has yet to play up to his draft status
A relaxed Baker is a Dangerous Baker and once a couple holes are plugged and another WR with speed added this team will be dangerous every week
Tomorrow I buy a Bucs hat
Baker needs 'better than average,' receivers, OL and running game.
Btw, what QB doesn't? No QB can be successful without a decent OL. Even Mahomes couldn't win without an above-average OL the most notable occurrence was SBLV vs. your Bucs. But you can go back and look at the Chiefs 2019 campaign when several chiefs OLs went down to injury early that season, leading to a string of losses until he got them all back around Week 11. Even then it took several weeks for the OL to gel. ditto the 2021 season. Burrow couldn't get into the playoffs until they shored up the OL.
But Baker doesn't need "elite" OL, receivers and running game to win. Hell, your OL wasn't playing at an elite level in the playoffs this year, and Baker still handily beat GB and came within a possession of tying DET with multiple pass-rushers in his face on every passing snap. Think about how many QBs could have done better than Baker in those situations; it's not a very long list. Mahomes, Josh Allen, Burrow, Stafford, and Cousins (mostly based on his career stats; the tape doesn't fully corroborate that)? After that it gets a little murkier. Maybe Lamar, Herbert, Hurts? Too early imo to include CJ Stroud. And based on Lamar's performance vs. KC last week, he's pretty iffy. And I know that Baker is better than Hurts, having watched both plenty since their OU days.
Baker isn't elite or top-5, granted. But right now he's probably the 5th best QB in the NFC. No worse than 7th. In the NFL he's no worse than 11th? And that's if you believe that Tua, Lamar, Herbert and Lawrence were better QBs than Baker in 2023, which I could argue at length that they weren't.
I mean, are we saying you can't win a SB without a top-5 QB? History seems to indicate quite the opposite.
Yes, I don't think Mayfield will win a SB here, or ever. It requires consistent high level QBing for 4 games. Mayfield biggest problem has been consistency in his career and I don't think that will change.
Hurts/Lamar, not a chance. They're better runners, but hardly better QBs. Neither has anywhere near Baker's Arm strength/talent, and Lamar/Hurts can't stand in the pocket and pass under pressure consistently. Not in their skillsets. Probably never will be for Lamar. Hurts might eventually get there. Baker is far better throwing to the deep zones, particularly down the boundaries than either of those two.
Lawrence, well, the jury's still out, imo. He's shown plenty of flashes, mostly in 2022, but he didn't grow much this season, and most thought he'd really come into his own in 2023. I didn't watch much of him this year, so I won't criticize him much here.
Tua is not in Baker's league. Tua is a very average QB with a very average arm that's been propped up by the ridiculous level of talent he's had, and yet when pressured he still can't win a playoff game, because he can't get past his 1st read and he has no ability to scramble and play out of structure when his protection breaks down. He also has no ability to win from behind. He literally can't run a 2-minute offense.
Put another way: Tua, Lamar, Hurts all need to be in a specific system, and need a lot of talent around them, and need to be out front by half time, to be successful. Baker has already proven several times over that he's not a system QB, having been relatively successful under 7 OCs, and only been a failure in one (CAR), and so far no QBs have been successful in CAR. he also doesn't need elite talent. His first two seasons in CLE his best WR was Jarvis Landry. His best TE was Demetrius Harris, due to Njoku being out for a year.
And Baker can win from a deficit. He actually plays better when his back is against the wall. Lamar, Tua and Hurts all struggle/shrink in that situation.
1. Patrick Mahomes - didnt have the best stats but because of his unbelievable playoff success and ownage of Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson, hard to argue anyone above him. Albeit, we have indeed not yet seen Kyle Trask get meaningful playing time so your lucky...for now Mahomes.
2-10 - in no order - Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, Lamar Jackson, Brock Purdy, Justin Herbert, Dak Prescott, CJ Stroud, Jalen Hurts, Aaron Rodgers
now the follow up question to 2-10 is how many of those QBs can win the Superbowl (sans AROD)? Hurts was close but has his pumpkin struck mid night? Burrow also close but....ooppps he just got hurt again. Purdy? I'm rooting for him on that stacked team. I dont want to see Mahomes win another. apparently Allan and Lamar can't get past Mahomes. Herbert...can his career record go above .500 this year? Stroud and Love had good opening seasons - let's see if it continues. Prescott? how the heck did they get blown out by the Packers at home. first team to lose to a 7th seed in playoff history.
All those QBs have potential to be "The Guy" but so far only Mahomes has been to promise land in addition to Rodgers once in his career.
11-16 (in no order)- Kirk Cousins, Matt Stafford, Trevor Lawrence, Tua Tagovailoa, Jared Goff, Jordan Love
17 - Baker Mayfield
that's probably where Baker starts the 2024 season in the 14-20 range and depending on play can work his way up. He ranked in top 10 in many of the statistical categories in 2023 but injuries to key QBs likely lands him in the middle.
not a bad list. But I can't give you Dak or Tua. Just no. At this point, I'll give you Cousins. Goff can't play out of structure, but he did have a great year and he has been to a SB, albeit behind a very good OL, a great running game, one of the two the best defenses in the league and maybe the best offensive HC in the NFL. But fine, for now. Jordan Love? Not sure how you get there, tbh. Love began the season losing to the likes of ATL, LVR, DEN, NYG and PIT. i mean, sure, he eventually started playing decent ball, but he began the 2023 season losing 6 of his first 9 games. with a loaded roster and one of the better HCs in the business. And didn't Baker eviscerate GB and Love this season? Iirc, Baker had his 'perfect' game vs. GB, no? And Love did what exactly?
that shootout in Houston was fun to watch!I think he's middle of the pack in the NFL. Lamar, Tua, Herbert, Burrow and Lawrence are absolutely better than Mayfield. I'm not doing the who had a better year song and dance. Mayfield statistically had a better year than Mahomes, so he must be better right? This where context is key and where people have a hard time grasping.Basically he needs 3 good WRs, a good OL, and a good RB to be successful QB. What a studLOL
Mayfield was shit on in 2021 by the Browns. Specifically Stefanski.
It was OBJ who divided the locker room and set other players against him.... John Johnson III and Newsome, a rookie DB at the time who has yet to play up to his draft status
A relaxed Baker is a Dangerous Baker and once a couple holes are plugged and another WR with speed added this team will be dangerous every week
Tomorrow I buy a Bucs hat
Baker needs 'better than average,' receivers, OL and running game.
Btw, what QB doesn't? No QB can be successful without a decent OL. Even Mahomes couldn't win without an above-average OL the most notable occurrence was SBLV vs. your Bucs. But you can go back and look at the Chiefs 2019 campaign when several chiefs OLs went down to injury early that season, leading to a string of losses until he got them all back around Week 11. Even then it took several weeks for the OL to gel. ditto the 2021 season. Burrow couldn't get into the playoffs until they shored up the OL.
But Baker doesn't need "elite" OL, receivers and running game to win. Hell, your OL wasn't playing at an elite level in the playoffs this year, and Baker still handily beat GB and came within a possession of tying DET with multiple pass-rushers in his face on every passing snap. Think about how many QBs could have done better than Baker in those situations; it's not a very long list. Mahomes, Josh Allen, Burrow, Stafford, and Cousins (mostly based on his career stats; the tape doesn't fully corroborate that)? After that it gets a little murkier. Maybe Lamar, Herbert, Hurts? Too early imo to include CJ Stroud. And based on Lamar's performance vs. KC last week, he's pretty iffy. And I know that Baker is better than Hurts, having watched both plenty since their OU days.
Baker isn't elite or top-5, granted. But right now he's probably the 5th best QB in the NFC. No worse than 7th. In the NFL he's no worse than 11th? And that's if you believe that Tua, Lamar, Herbert and Lawrence were better QBs than Baker in 2023, which I could argue at length that they weren't.
I mean, are we saying you can't win a SB without a top-5 QB? History seems to indicate quite the opposite.
Yes, I don't think Mayfield will win a SB here, or ever. It requires consistent high level QBing for 4 games. Mayfield biggest problem has been consistency in his career and I don't think that will change.
Hurts/Lamar, not a chance. They're better runners, but hardly better QBs. Neither has anywhere near Baker's Arm strength/talent, and Lamar/Hurts can't stand in the pocket and pass under pressure consistently. Not in their skillsets. Probably never will be for Lamar. Hurts might eventually get there. Baker is far better throwing to the deep zones, particularly down the boundaries than either of those two.
Lawrence, well, the jury's still out, imo. He's shown plenty of flashes, mostly in 2022, but he didn't grow much this season, and most thought he'd really come into his own in 2023. I didn't watch much of him this year, so I won't criticize him much here.
Tua is not in Baker's league. Tua is a very average QB with a very average arm that's been propped up by the ridiculous level of talent he's had, and yet when pressured he still can't win a playoff game, because he can't get past his 1st read and he has no ability to scramble and play out of structure when his protection breaks down. He also has no ability to win from behind. He literally can't run a 2-minute offense.
Put another way: Tua, Lamar, Hurts all need to be in a specific system, and need a lot of talent around them, and need to be out front by half time, to be successful. Baker has already proven several times over that he's not a system QB, having been relatively successful under 7 OCs, and only been a failure in one (CAR), and so far no QBs have been successful in CAR. he also doesn't need elite talent. His first two seasons in CLE his best WR was Jarvis Landry. His best TE was Demetrius Harris, due to Njoku being out for a year.
And Baker can win from a deficit. He actually plays better when his back is against the wall. Lamar, Tua and Hurts all struggle/shrink in that situation.
Missed that one. I'll have to go back and watch it; the boxscore makes it look interesting. I will say, if your offense scores 35+ points, and has a significant lead going into the 2nd half, and you still lose, that's almost always on the defense, not the offense. But I haven't seen the game, so maybe that one was on Baker.
Baker drove the field and scored a go ahead TD - but left something like 47 seconds on the clock…CJ Stroud did his thing, and our defense couldn’t stop it…
Baker drove the field and scored a go ahead TD - but left something like 47 seconds on the clock…CJ Stroud did his thing, and our defense couldn’t stop it…
yeah that's the one loss you can't put on the offense - 39-37
but the other 7 - (25-11 VS PHI, 20-6 Detroit, 16-13 ATL, 24-18 BUF, 27-14 SF, 27-20 IND, and 23-13 NO) would all put on the offense with maybe you can argue the Indy game but you get the point.
and you need to start with the QB and offensive coordinator when this happens.
that being said, the Bucs seem to have come in their own down the stretch, averaging over a touchdown more per game 28.5 to season averaged 20.5 over the 4 game win streak. Got stymie by the Saints (38-3, 9-0, ring a bell) and obviously Baker banged up in the Panthers snoozer before we averaged 27.5 points in our 2 playoff games.
the premier superbowl contenders sans the unbeatable magical mystical Chiefs averaged 30 points per game so the team showed promise down the stretch.
the offense looked to have gotten in together. Alot to be positive about given the team was clicking and returning pieces hopefully. Now of course losing our offensive coordinator is a wild card but hopefully not too much of a set back depending on the new guys play calling.
It was a very bi polar season to say the least.
3-1 start, the "out of nowhere Bucs" exceeding expectations; solid wins over Saints and Vikings.
losing 6 of 7 matching expectations but us all calling for Bowles to be fired
finish season 6-2 (1-1 in playoffs) - wow. who would have expected that?
Lets laugh but not lie.I think he's middle of the pack in the NFL. Lamar, Tua, Herbert, Burrow and Lawrence are absolutely better than Mayfield. I'm not doing the who had a better year song and dance. Mayfield statistically had a better year than Mahomes, so he must be better right? This where context is key and where people have a hard time grasping.Basically he needs 3 good WRs, a good OL, and a good RB to be successful QB. What a studLOL
Mayfield was shit on in 2021 by the Browns. Specifically Stefanski.
It was OBJ who divided the locker room and set other players against him.... John Johnson III and Newsome, a rookie DB at the time who has yet to play up to his draft status
A relaxed Baker is a Dangerous Baker and once a couple holes are plugged and another WR with speed added this team will be dangerous every week
Tomorrow I buy a Bucs hat
Baker needs 'better than average,' receivers, OL and running game.
Btw, what QB doesn't? No QB can be successful without a decent OL. Even Mahomes couldn't win without an above-average OL the most notable occurrence was SBLV vs. your Bucs. But you can go back and look at the Chiefs 2019 campaign when several chiefs OLs went down to injury early that season, leading to a string of losses until he got them all back around Week 11. Even then it took several weeks for the OL to gel. ditto the 2021 season. Burrow couldn't get into the playoffs until they shored up the OL.
But Baker doesn't need "elite" OL, receivers and running game to win. Hell, your OL wasn't playing at an elite level in the playoffs this year, and Baker still handily beat GB and came within a possession of tying DET with multiple pass-rushers in his face on every passing snap. Think about how many QBs could have done better than Baker in those situations; it's not a very long list. Mahomes, Josh Allen, Burrow, Stafford, and Cousins (mostly based on his career stats; the tape doesn't fully corroborate that)? After that it gets a little murkier. Maybe Lamar, Herbert, Hurts? Too early imo to include CJ Stroud. And based on Lamar's performance vs. KC last week, he's pretty iffy. And I know that Baker is better than Hurts, having watched both plenty since their OU days.
Baker isn't elite or top-5, granted. But right now he's probably the 5th best QB in the NFC. No worse than 7th. In the NFL he's no worse than 11th? And that's if you believe that Tua, Lamar, Herbert and Lawrence were better QBs than Baker in 2023, which I could argue at length that they weren't.
I mean, are we saying you can't win a SB without a top-5 QB? History seems to indicate quite the opposite.
Yes, I don't think Mayfield will win a SB here, or ever. It requires consistent high level QBing for 4 games. Mayfield biggest problem has been consistency in his career and I don't think that will change.
Hurts/Lamar, not a chance. They're better runners, but hardly better QBs. Neither has anywhere near Baker's Arm strength/talent, and Lamar/Hurts can't stand in the pocket and pass under pressure consistently. Not in their skillsets. Probably never will be for Lamar. Hurts might eventually get there. Baker is far better throwing to the deep zones, particularly down the boundaries than either of those two.
Lawrence, well, the jury's still out, imo. He's shown plenty of flashes, mostly in 2022, but he didn't grow much this season, and most thought he'd really come into his own in 2023. I didn't watch much of him this year, so I won't criticize him much here.
Tua is not in Baker's league. Tua is a very average QB with a very average arm that's been propped up by the ridiculous level of talent he's had, and yet when pressured he still can't win a playoff game, because he can't get past his 1st read and he has no ability to scramble and play out of structure when his protection breaks down. He also has no ability to win from behind. He literally can't run a 2-minute offense.
Put another way: Tua, Lamar, Hurts all need to be in a specific system, and need a lot of talent around them, and need to be out front by half time, to be successful. Baker has already proven several times over that he's not a system QB, having been relatively successful under 7 OCs, and only been a failure in one (CAR), and so far no QBs have been successful in CAR. he also doesn't need elite talent. His first two seasons in CLE his best WR was Jarvis Landry. His best TE was Demetrius Harris, due to Njoku being out for a year.
And Baker can win from a deficit. He actually plays better when his back is against the wall. Lamar, Tua and Hurts all struggle/shrink in that situation.
Lamar Jackson is a better QB than Mayfield. There's a good reason why he was the leagues MVP this year but back to the topic...
Lamar Jackson led the ENTIRE NFL in big time throws under pressure, 6 more than Mayfield with 95 less drop backs/passing attempts. Lamar had a better big time throw rate 20+ yards or more than Mayfield. He did that with Zay Flowers, Odell Beckham, and Rashod Bateman as his WR trio. Mayfield also had a higher turnover worth play % when under pressure as well. This narrative your trying hard to push that Lamar can't stand in the pocket is buffoonery. He has gotten way, way better than when he first got into the league. The ONLY thing Mayfield has him beat is arm strength category, but who cares? Arm strength isn't a testament of how good a QB is.
Lawrence led the entire NFL in big time throws this year and it wasn't really close. He is head and shoulders above Mayfield as a QB. He still has some growing up to do because like Mayfield he is prone to mistakes under duress.
Last year in Baltimore, Tua literally came back down 21 to win in the 4th quarter. But, he has no ability to win from behind according to you. Tua has 6 4th QTR comebacks, 8 game winning drives in his young career. Mayfield has 8 4th QTR comebacks, 10 game winning drives. Tua was drafted in 2020, Mayfield in 2018. That's two seasons worth of a head start. As a freshman at Bama, Tua came in and took over for a struggling Jalen Hurts in the Championship game and Alabama ended it winning. Please be serious.
Baker is a system QB. His best season prior to this past season, the Browns were an elite rushing offense. Love how you just conveniently left that out. They absolutely dominated teams on the ground at the tune of nearly 150 yards a game. They ran the football more(495 times) than they passed the football(486) attempts. But, yeah great success by Baker to just hand the ball off and manage the games.
Baker is a system QB.
He’s a little more than that because he’s a team leader (an igniter the new OC said) who also makes big throws when matters
that said most NFL QBs are system QBs or game manager types, including with some successful teams.
not trying to oversell the guy but last year he definitely made some big throws and we lose to the Lions more because the defense got run over. He was definitely inconsistent during a lot of the season so the question is why? Him? New offense? Lack of running game early?
that’s what we should learn more about next season
I wasn’t trying make any claim about Lamar v Baker. I would say Lamar falls into the elite category.
…but he still wasn’t available to the Bucs. That is my point. Of those available, he was the best to maximize the weapons we still have here.
Baker is a system quarterback if the system you want to run is McVay’s…which many teams in the NFL certainly find attractive right now.
That’s an interesting concept, but I’ll take it.
I know some system QB’s that made runs into the playoffs, some even won superbowls.
How many non-system QB’s are there in the NFL, that’d be an interesting topic…
Basically he needs 3 good WRs, a good OL, and a good RB to be successful QB!!!! PittsBurg, KC, and 2023 say hello to "overachievers." What a stud, I think so yes, Im willing to put down my coffee and go all in-its exciting. With that being said-Stud WRs "check," Oline meh-Amazing bookends but the Gut is exposed, Good RB..."check or no check- this one is a bit harder considering the gulf between season start and season finish, so I'll give a "check" to this one as well. What week did people stop screaming to trade him or just bench him?... He bounced back no? Good for him and the team- White was integral in our late-season resurgence. It is nice to watch a team game. 2.5 outta three- that's more than he has ever had before! Thanks, JL and the Glazers.LOL
Mayfield was shit on in 2021 by the Browns. Specifically Stefanski.
It was OBJ who divided the locker room and set other players against him.... John Johnson III and Newsome, a rookie DB at the time who has yet to play up to his draft status
A relaxed Baker is a Dangerous Baker and once a couple holes are plugged and another WR with speed added this team will be dangerous every week
Tomorrow I buy a Bucs hat
Mea Culpa for the editing, no offense, just how I see it in my own way, perspective matters.
Sincerely
your fan
Ramon
Basically he needs 3 good WRs, a good OL, and a good RB to be successful QB PittsBurg, KC, and 2023 say hello to "overachievers." What a stud, I think so yes, Im willing to put down my coffee and go all in-its exciting. With that being said-Stud WRs "check," Oline meh-Amazing bookends but the Gut is exposed, Good RB..."check or no check- this one is a bit harder considering the gulf between season start and season finish, so I'll give a "check" to this one as well. What week did people stop screaming to trade him or just bench him?... He bounced back no? Good for him and the team- White was integral in our late-season resurgence. It is nice to watch a team game. 2.5 "checks-WR, OL, RB" outta three- that's more than he has ever had before! Thanks, JL and the Glazers, that's laying some bricks on the foundation!
Mea Culpa for the editing, no offense, just how I see it in my own way, perspective matters.
Sincerely
your fan
Ramon
Just because he was surrounded with HOF caliber (Evans, brown, Gronk, wirfs) and pro bowl caliber (Godwin, fournette, Jensen, Marpet) weapons doesn’t take away how impressive it was to take the suckaneers to the promise land in one season.
List us the rest of the HOF and Pro Bowl caliber talent that he had in when he nailed off 6 other rings?
He was in his mid 40s and needed a little help.
The dude won a title (nearly multiple) in his 40's before he even came here. He didn't need help. Lol.
Again, this thought process that all quarterbacks need "3 good WRs, a good OL, and a good RB" to be successful is simply not true (I know you didn't make the claim).
Brady, Mahomes, Stafford are just recent examples.
Dats the Goat. You know I have been thinking. Whos really better? Brady or Mahomes. I thought about it in this way. Imagine Mahomey being drafted 199th in 2000 by Bill B in Foxboro and TB12 being picked 10th by Andy Reid. I came to a conclusion.
People tend the carry job Brady did in 2021. After Godwin went down, and AB quit on the team we basically had Evans, an injured Gronk, and a bunch of JAG's with no run game. He was one drive away from leading us to the NFCCG to face the Niners. But, Bowles blitzing Stafford sealed our fate. Not to mention the multiple carry jobs Brady has done in the past, so he's completely exempt from this convo.Just because he was surrounded with HOF caliber (Evans, brown, Gronk, wirfs) and pro bowl caliber (Godwin, fournette, Jensen, Marpet) weapons doesn’t take away how impressive it was to take the suckaneers to the promise land in one season.
List us the rest of the HOF and Pro Bowl caliber talent that he had in when he nailed off 6 other rings?
He was in his mid 40s and needed a little help.
The dude won a title (nearly multiple) in his 40's before he even came here. He didn't need help. Lol.
Again, this thought process that all quarterbacks need "3 good WRs, a good OL, and a good RB" to be successful is simply not true (I know you didn't make the claim).
Brady, Mahomes, Stafford are just recent examples.
Further exemplifying that EVEN TB12-The GOAT, couldn't do it all by himself in his 40's...Im not gonna Blame TB for that, is it his fault he got older? and needed a bit more help? And then when the "help" was reduced in his second year. HE STILL Almost did it. Even more amazing if you ask me.
