whats mind boggling is that he talks about that concept like it’s so obvious a sure thing. The real % odds are at 2% and just not a risk the Bucs management is willing to take
No I don't. I'm just countering folks like you who say Trask not being the guy is a sure thing. The fact you don't get that is my whole point. As I have said repeatedly, NOBODY knows, but guys like you think you do. I have also said I BELIEVE (there's a difference between believing and knowing, or do I need to throw in an English lesson as well) Trask is better based on what I have seen of him. I have stated why. Some of you think, however, that a guy that, going by adjusted QBR, had 5 awful games and 9 games total that are awful or below average, and only 2 elite games (talking about regular season) is the guy we should go forward with. I think we can do better. A QB just had a career year, and that meant 4 games above average. Four. Brady had 8 elite games in 2021. Elite. He had above average games also. Give me someone who can do even half that and now we're talking.
whats mind boggling is that he talks about that concept like it’s so obvious a sure thing. The real % odds are at 2% and just not a risk the Bucs management is willing to take
No I don't. I'm just countering folks like you who say Trask not being the guy is a sure thing. The fact you don't get that is my whole point. As I have said repeatedly, NOBODY knows, but guys like you think you do. I have also said I BELIEVE (there's a difference between believing and knowing, or do I need to throw in an English lesson as well) Trask is better based on what I have seen of him. I have stated why. Some of you think, however, that a guy that, going by adjusted QBR, had 5 awful games and 9 games total that are awful or below average, and only 2 elite games (talking about regular season) is the guy we should go forward with. I think we can do better. A QB just had a career year, and that meant 4 games above average. Four. Brady had 8 elite games in 2021. Elite. He had above average games also. Give me someone who can do even half that and now we're talking.
and that’s where we disagree. Your philosophy that no one knows
Sure fans on a message board don’t know, but your kidding yourself if the Bucs management doesn’t have atleast a highly qualified educated guess
Nobody knows is a pretty lame defense and means you are running out of them
Sure fans on a message board don’t know, but your kidding yourself if the Bucs management doesn’t have atleast a highly qualified educated guess
How was their highly qualified educated guess in relation to JTS with YaYa Diaby on the bench?
How was their highly qualified educated guess in relation to Matt Feiler with Aaron Stinnie on the bench?
How was their highly qualified educated guess in relation to Devin White with KJ Britt on the bench?
And that was just this season. Those "highly qualified educated guesses" weren't always the best guesses, now were they? Obviously Mayfield played better than those guys I mentioned, but my point is those "highly qualified" guys in charge didn't always make the best personnel decisions. Can you at least acknowledge that point?
BadabingBucs is arguing the point that "Nobody knows" by saying Bucs management has at least a highly qualified educated guess. Perfect!!
Sure fans on a message board don’t know, but your kidding yourself if the Bucs management doesn’t have atleast a highly qualified educated guess
How was their highly qualified educated guess in relation to JTS with YaYa Diaby on the bench?
How was their highly qualified educated guess in relation to Matt Feiler with Aaron Stinnie on the bench?
How was their highly qualified educated guess in relation to Devin White with KJ Britt on the bench?
And that was just this season. Those "highly qualified educated guesses" weren't always the best guesses, now were they? Obviously Mayfield played better than those guys I mentioned, but my point is those "highly qualified" guys in charge didn't always make the best personnel decisions. Can you at least acknowledge that point?
in all three of those situations, the starter wasn't playing well, and in 2 of the 3, they had the high daft status guy starting. With JTS, we knew this guy has sucked and was only a matter of time before we needed to find a replacement. Diaby was a rookie and was starting by mid-year. They weren't going to rush him. With Devin White, he got hurt and wasn't playing well and Britt shined. With White because a problem, contract coming due, and just not playing well, it was an easy transition to Britt. In the Feiler/Stinnie, coin flip, that is exactly what it was and we can only hope neither are starting in 2024.
A highly educated guess is something they also had on Ryan Griffin. They saw enough of him to realize he was a 3 or 4 at best. They didnt know what they had in him as they didnt give him 17 games to play, or is it 3 years because that's really when you know what we got. Why didn't they give him a chance? Was it draft status? or was it that he just didnt have it in him. They likely feel the same way about Trask. Wasn't our worst 2nd round pick as he didnt directly lose us games like Roberto Aguayo...but it's up there.
in all three of those situations, the starter wasn't playing well
The list of excuses offered after this truth doesn't really change the fact that the "highly qualified educated guesses" you feel so strongly about were wrong.
They "weren't going to rush" a pass rusher? WTF are you even talking about?
my point is those "highly qualified" guys in charge didn't always make the best personnel decisions. Can you at least acknowledge that point?
I'll take your response as a firm "no" then.
No I don't. I'm just countering folks like you who say Trask not being the guy is a sure thing
who actually says that though?
Anyone?
This seems like most disagreements on the Red Board, people posting against a fictional extreme.
For my own part I have posted repeatedly that the best thing FOR THE BUCS would be for Trask to be who you say he is. I alkso agree with the sentiment expressed by Badabing, which is generally that the Bucs themselves (including Canales) don't act like he is. In fact, SR has opined that the Bucs move on from him even though they dont have to. SR could be wroing, but like the Bucs, he has access to way more information than any of us.
CONTRAST that point of view ^^^ with the TROLLING of Mayfield all season with silly shit like "nice run for a first down, but probably had 3 people open."
BadabingBucs is arguing the point that "Nobody knows" by saying Bucs management has at least a highly qualified educated guess. Perfect!!
wouldn't every opinion be a guess unless and until he plays? I think that is actually Bucs Harbour's point, right?
wouldn't the Bucs management have WAY . . WAY . . . WAY more HIGHLY QUALIFIED information about the likely outcome of that guess than anyone here?
How is that even controversial?
Trask supporters BASHED Mayfield all season long, a season in which he set records for production. records that GREATLY EXCEEDED any expectations before the season
Trask supporters even went so far as to say "the playoffs didn't matter," but then when we got there . . . boy did they lol
Now, the Grand Poobah of all Trask Supporters (Bucs Harbour) who says that Trask would have been BETTER this year than Mayfield, compares the suitaution to TWO OF THE MOST NOTABLE OUTLIERS IN FOOTBALL.
Thats like saying, we should just born down our house because lightning might strike it, right?
IN OTHER WORDS, BucHarbour is NOW undercutting himself and Trask supporters who kept calling for Trask because hes saying NOW, in essence, Trask could be that bolt of lightning. Statistically, thats exactly why he would NEVER get in, right? Barring injury or complete collapse (we were in a playoff hunt THAT DELIVERED)
Certainly some of the Trask supporters here are capable of seeing the absurdity of the "put in Task" movement this season, right?
You're not all the ALTER EGO of past Winston supporting Noles, right?
How was their highly qualified educated guess in relation to JTS with YaYa Diaby on the bench?
How was their highly qualified educated guess in relation to Matt Feiler with Aaron Stinnie on the bench?
How was their highly qualified educated guess in relation to Devin White with KJ Britt on the bench?
Hopefully everyone sees the slide here, right?
Badabing says Bucs management, Buggsy tries to discount Bucs MANAGEMENT qualifications by discussing BOWLES decisions on a few players.
Here's a hard dose of LOGIC . . If you think that Bowles was INEPT in his player choices then SIMPLE LOGIC SAYS that would be ANOTHER REASON TRASK WAS NEVER GETTING IN . . .because the QB choice was 100% Bowles with his job on the line . . . . so IF THAT IS WHAT YOU BELIEVE why cry about something you now say would never happen?
Every single game of a playoff run, no less.
Certainly some of the Trask supporters here are capable of seeing the absurdity of the "put in Task" movement this season, right?
You're not all the ALTER EGO of past Winston supporting Noles, right?
Not absurd at all. Bucs are a few weeks away from making a very big mistake with Mayfield's contract. Mayfield had alot of pieces in his favor and was getting too much credit for it.
If Godwin held on to the pass from Trask and Mayfield didn't go back in things would have been interesting for sure.
Certainly some of the Trask supporters here are capable of seeing the absurdity of the "put in Task" movement this season, right?
You're not all the ALTER EGO of past Winston supporting Noles, right?
Not absurd at all. Bucs are a few weeks away from making a very big mistake with Mayfield's contract. Mayfield had alot of pieces in his favor and was getting too much credit for it.
If Godwin held on to the pass from Trask and Mayfield didn't go back in things would have been interesting for sure.
So, to Badabing's point about HIGHLY-QUALIFIED educated guesses, its worth noting that someone like Buggsy agrees with JC5100 on Trask. JC5100's qualification is that he once claimed (falsely) to have been a "big money GM"
By comparison, Badabing has a ton of actual NFL people on his side including, for example, DERRICK BROOKS:
"“I really hope that the Bucs go down this road of really pursuing [Mayfield]."
He even goes on to discuss the contract:
"I really hope Baker understands the greater value is not just the economic piece in this case with him and figure out where he stands in that. Now, I say the ‘answer’ in terms of this: I think it’s a bridge. Do I think 10-year answer with Baker at quarterback? No. Do I think it’s 3 to 5? Yes.”
ZERO MENTION OF TRASK
SO BOWLES, CANALES, LICHT, BECKLES, BROOKS, BARBER, SIMMS .. etc etc . . . the list is long of actual football people people who SHOULD BE MORE QUALIFIED than JC5100 . . and Buggsy, who SUGGESTED the playoffs were meaningless this year because the Bucs were NOT a young team.
they all agree with Badabing, right?
WHO IS THE MOST PROMINENT NFL PERSON CALLING FOR TRASK TO START?
ZERO MENTION OF TRASK
Arians
"I don't think we’re losing [Mayfield or Evans] Arians recently told Ira Kaufman of JoeBucsFan about Tampa Bay's top pending free agents. "Mike wants to stay here and they’re gonna pay him. "I think Mayfield loves it here and is totally appreciative of the opportunity he found in Tampa. He loves the guys and the guys love him."
You're finding validation in group think. Group think in the NFL is usually wrong.
How is that even controversial?
As to your post, BucHarbour has explained his opinion ad nauseum. If you don't get it, you don't get it.
