"TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERS
Baker Mayfield should finish out the 2023 season with around $6.6M under his belt - pretty impressive value for a Tampa Bay team that was rolling the dice on the former #1 overall pick. Will this marriage continue?
THE BUCCANEERS EXTEND BAKER MAYFIELD TO A 4 YEAR $164M CONTRACT, INCLUDING $84M FULLY GUARANTEED.
TAMPA SIGNS SAM DARNOLD TO A 1 YEAR, $2M CONTRACT TO SOLIDIFY THE ROOM."
Point: even if that is report is wrong the PERCEPTION is that the Bucs are done with Trask? So Badabing is getting assailed for basically stating the conventional wisdom.
You're finding validation in group think. Group think in the NFL is usually wrong.
Not finding validation at all, just saying that Badabing is getting trashed for sharing an opinion that is widely shared by HIGHLY-QUALIFIED football people. Buggsy didnt even know the Bucs were a young team and you think Scotty Miller is a HIDDEN GEM and generally think everything the Bucs' GM does is wrong.
If anything "group think" is the problem in the Gator/Trask contingent. Youre basically saying the Bucs should have tanked (or at least gone with trask) because their SUCCESS with Mayfield is NOW leading them astray:
Not absurd at all. Bucs are a few weeks away from making a very big mistake with Mayfield's contract. Mayfield had alot of pieces in his favor and was getting too much credit for it.
I mean, hopefully you would at least acknowledge that that was NEVER going to happen with Bowles coaching for his career, right?
You're entitled yo your opinion, but basic common sense says so is Badabing ESPECIALLY when shared by so many HIGHLY QUALIFIED . . .
"TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERS
Baker Mayfield should finish out the 2023 season with around $6.6M under his belt - pretty impressive value for a Tampa Bay team that was rolling the dice on the former #1 overall pick. Will this marriage continue?
THE BUCCANEERS EXTEND BAKER MAYFIELD TO A 4 YEAR $164M CONTRACT, INCLUDING $84M FULLY GUARANTEED.
TAMPA SIGNS SAM DARNOLD TO A 1 YEAR, $2M CONTRACT TO SOLIDIFY THE ROOM."
Point: even if that is report is wrong the PERCEPTION is that the Bucs are done with Trask? So Badabing is getting assailed for basically stating the conventional wisdom.
we are talking to walls bud. the fact that one would still prefer Trask over Mayfield after our 6-2 finish; we are not dealing with rational beings and/or they are trolling and debating just to debate.
again, in theory, at 4-7, with one more loss and being out of it 100% of Buc Fans would have supported a Trask starting the remainder of the season. To see what he's got and to prove that educated management guess that he really isn't worthy of starting or maybe we got ourselves our QB of the future.
However, after seeing the 6-2 finish, a playoff win, and one possession loss from going to NFC Champ game; Baker has won everyone over...except a handful of posters on this board. Is Baker Patrick Mahomes? No. but then again, as Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson have shown....neither are they. We got a guy we can win with.
so if we pay Baker - $25-$30M, but build up around him, whats to prevent us from being a perennial SB contender? That is the pie in the sky that bucs front office sees.
i am not totally sold yet but he has shown enough to me to sign him to a 3 year deal. I just dont get the love affair with Trask? Guy finally worked up to #2 on the depth chart in his 3rd year. Brutal.
at 4-7, with one more loss and being out of it 100% of Buc Fans would have supported a Trask starting the remainder of the season.
agreed
I just dont get the love affair with Trask?
I get it because of the college connection, but man to howl at the moon (ie advocate for something unrealistic) while simultaneously calling people who disagree DUMB . . .is absurd
PR said that the "Trask experiment" was all but over during the 2022 pre-season and then reiterated that recently
at 4-7, with one more loss and being out of it 100% of Buc Fans would have supported a Trask starting the remainder of the season.
agreed
I just dont get the love affair with Trask?
I get it because of the college connection, but man to howl at the moon (ie advocate for something unrealistic) while simultaneously calling people who disagree DUMB . . .is absurd
PR said that the "Trask experiment" was all but over during the 2022 pre-season and then reiterated that recently
well yes, once he was playing in the 3rd pre-season game due to Wolford injury should have been all anyone needed to see
so if we pay Baker - $25-$30M, but build up around him, whats to prevent us from being a perennial SB contender?
Baker Mayfield
so if we pay Baker - $25-$30M, but build up around him, whats to prevent us from being a perennial SB contender?
Baker Mayfield
Good one. i chuckled. but fact of the matter is he's our best option.
Kirk Cousins one could argue if available. 35 years old coming off injury. If he escapes Minnesota, let's talk. Then again he never won anything so is he really the answer?
Russell Wilson. He's 35 and coming off a half decent year. Contract was a nightmare so depends on that.
other than those 2, cant' really argue anyone else. Might as well stick with Baker who won us a playoff game.
I agree, not because of the $$$ he will absorb but because of his limitations.
so if we pay Baker - $25-$30M, but build up around him, whats to prevent us from being a perennial SB contender?
Baker Mayfield
but because of his limitations.
He definitely has them, but what is the alternate plan?
Assume we dont sign Mayfield BUT we keep Evans and any others. What do we do at QB?
Up above, Badabing addresses Cousins and Wilson. Maybe one of them? Trask?
he's our best option.
This has been one of the sticking points in these discussions. With the exception of Buc Harbour, who says Trask is BETTER than Mayfield, I dont see anyone advocating an alternate plan?
Does anyone have a better alternate plan? Cousins? Wilson?
Let’s get this back on track. It’s 29 Jan 2024, prolly last day of my stayCa….anyhoo. As of today we really don’t know anything. Speculation across the board including THIS broad(😂), but I du like the rumblings of Arians…I suppose until we hear it from The Glazers, JL or the Players THEMSELVES, BA is the “next closest insider source” that I would trust. I think he’s indicating serious interest between BOTH parties, but the dirti work Is being dun in private. Let JL and the Glazers Wow US this OofSeason, at least let them try. I’m willing? Anyone else willing to give them the offseason to do their work, I bet they are trying even as I write this up.
oh and I forgot 1 in my Baller appreciation thread post-MEA CULPA
I appreciate the BEAT WRITERS, and football experts, and media coverage that at least gives us entertaining reading material during the OofSeason…this OofSeason should be quite easy to beat write about, especially because of an Oof by a boOF and all the sequaela…interdasting at the very least, I’ll have popcorn ready!!!!
he's our best option.
This has been one of the sticking points in these discussions. With the exception of Buc Harbour, who says Trask is BETTER than Mayfield, I dont see anyone advocating an alternate plan?
Does anyone have a better alternate plan? Cousins? Wilson?
exactly and some are outlandish options that would have at at 3-4 wins.
what option is reasonable and will be best for the team to retain talent that keeps us competitive.
Kirk Cousins pretty darn good but going to cost near $40M and is 1-4 in the playoffs. Shit, even Baker Mayfield has more wins than that. How will Cousins bounce back from injury?
Russell Wilson missed playoffs last two years with Denver. How would he do with Tampa? Baker proven he can win in Tampa. We'd be going out on a limb that Russell has any juice left.
so yeah, what option is better than Mayfield, lower risk to keep us competitive and is realistically available
Call me crazy, but watching the Bucs start out without wins when I was a wee lad making little signs saying "Go Bucs" (I couldn't spell Buccaneers back then anyways), I have dreamed of actually having something special...a franchise QB. We briefly borrowed one, that happened to be the GOAT, and we traded one away before we realized he could be one (Young), but I want a 10+ year run with a damn franchise QB of our own. I don't want a mediocre-average QB getting us to the playoffs so we can be bumped out every year. I want someone that can get us over the hump every now and then and at least get us to the NFC Championship game and have a real shot at being in the big game. Some of you seem so stricken with PTSD from the lost decade that ended with Arians and Brady that you'll take the scraps from Longshanks table if it means a barely winning season with a trip to the playoffs even though you know we'll be bounced out. Sorry, but watching Baker have a career year and go 9-8 with him only having 8 games that were average or above requiring the defense to win us a game (Panthers), is just not my cup of tea. More importantly, hitching our wagon to the perennial mediocre QB means a lot more barely winning seasons, or losing seasons, and never really getting where we all want to go, while wasting the aging talents on this team.
This is why I wanted Trask to be the starter this year, especially once we hit 4-7, because it would have allowed us to see if Trask was a potential franchise guy or not. And if not, this QB rich draft class provides the potential to find another. But no. Here we are. Some of you wanting to throw 35 million at a guy that can't string more than two good games together and will likely never get us anywhere in the playoffs. Now, we could compensate by having an elite defense (I'm talking one in the class of the Bucs or Ravens from the super bowl years), but we don't have that right now, and there's too many holes to likely make it one in the next year or two. And for the record, a franchise level QB will have 4-6 elite games, 6-8 games that are above average (including elite), with 12-14 games at the average or better level. That leaves 3-5 games for the stinkers. They don't need to be as good as Brady, just a good bit better than Mayfield.
