No minds changed on Licht? Lol.
He brought Brady and Arians here, Brady at least in part because there was a talented team to play with.
He's had some bad picks too, but how do the same people who are upset about last years performance AND describe it as a very talented team undermined by an OC . . . also say Licht is a poor GM?
Maybe they don't, maybe those are different people. Not sure.
No minds changed on Licht? Lol.
He brought Brady and Arians here, Brady at least in part because there was a talented team to play with.
He's had some bad picks too, but how do the same people who are upset about last years performance AND describe it as a very talented team undermined by an OC . . . also say Licht is a poor GM?
Maybe they don't, maybe those are different people. Not sure.
Because of Licht's record without Brady.
@firelicht2020 No 2020 Super Bowl without Licht. Great move.
No minds changed on Licht? Lol.
He brought Brady and Arians here, Brady at least in part because there was a talented team to play with.
He's had some bad picks too, but how do the same people who are upset about last years performance AND describe it as a very talented team undermined by an OC . . . also say Licht is a poor GM?
Maybe they don't, maybe those are different people. Not sure.
Because of Licht's record without Brady.
The you mean because of his record with Winston.
He brought in Arians to fish/cut bait on Winston AND that team of 2019 already had his players in Evans, Godwin, Barrett, Cappa, Marpet, Jensen, Smith, JPP L David, Vea and Carlton David and I think they drafted Dean . . . AND EVEN BROUGHT IN YOUR WORLD BEATER . . .Miller
:-)
This is why I keep pointing out that IN THE REAL WORLD the team makeup is partly CIRCUMSTANCES.
There's no way they don't draft Winston (or Mariota). A really bad choice (not made by Licht) is to bring in Lovie. Lovie tanks the team, so they get the premium pick and there is a QB . . and a Florida QB at that.
So if you view the pick of Winston as reflecting the circumstances created by the team, not Licht, then Licht is part of righting the ship by creating the SB team around Winston (Evans Godwin Marpet etc) and bringing in the HOF coach and GOAT QB
That's probably one reason the owners seem to love him, he pulled their assess out of the fire.
The reason its very difficult to fairly judge a GM or a coach or even a player is because there are so many factors. For example, you cannot FAIRLY tie Licht's record to the Lovie years because Lovie was hired FIRST and was clearly an incompetent NFL HC
Licht has had both good and bad moves, but in the owners eyes he is probably gold still.
Almost all of the best moves that posters have listed are Jason Light moves. Perhaps the Best Buc Move in the last 10 years was hiring JL.
considering licht has been here 9 years I hope they are all his.Almost all of the best moves that posters have listed are Jason Light moves. Perhaps the Best Buc Move in the last 10 years was hiring JL.
exactly. Another example is Cappa. Looked like a bust early. Became a good player. Didn’t re-sign. Paid replacement a very similar salary. Traded replacement and accumulated dead money.The reason it’s very difficult to fairly judge a GM or a coach or even a player is because there are so many factors.
Licht has had both good and bad moves,
No minds changed on Licht? Lol.
He brought Brady and Arians here, Brady at least in part because there was a talented team to play with.
He's had some bad picks too, but how do the same people who are upset about last years performance AND describe it as a very talented team undermined by an OC . . . also say Licht is a poor GM?
Maybe they don't, maybe those are different people. Not sure.
Because of Licht's record without Brady.
The you mean because of his record with Winston.
He brought in Arians to fish/cut bait on Winston AND that team of 2019 already had his players in Evans, Godwin, Barrett, Cappa, Marpet, Jensen, Smith, JPP L David, Vea and Carlton David and I think they drafted Dean . . . AND EVEN BROUGHT IN YOUR WORLD BEATER . . .Miller
:-)
This is why I keep pointing out that IN THE REAL WORLD the team makeup is partly CIRCUMSTANCES.
There's no way they don't draft Winston (or Mariota). A really bad choice (not made by Licht) is to bring in Lovie. Lovie tanks the team, so they get the premium pick and there is a QB . . and a Florida QB at that.
So if you view the pick of Winston as reflecting the circumstances created by the team, not Licht, then Licht is part of righting the ship by creating the SB team around Winston (Evans Godwin Marpet etc) and bringing in the HOF coach and GOAT QB
That's probably one reason the owners seem to love him, he pulled their assess out of the fire.
6-20 with McCown, Glennon, Fitzpatrick. Let me guess... it doesn't count.
And you can't just say he had to take Winston or Mariota when they had a monster offer on the table from the Eagles.
And you can't just say he had to take Winston or Mariota when they had a monster offer on the table from the Eagles.
Link? You've run from this before, but I'd like to see a little something factual other than your speculation. What was the Eagles offer that was refused?
It's signing Brady and there's no close second. It's probably the best move in franchise history.
Why are there more posts after this one? This is the answer to the OP's question.
No minds changed on Licht? Lol.
He brought Brady and Arians here, Brady at least in part because there was a talented team to play with.
He's had some bad picks too, but how do the same people who are upset about last years performance AND describe it as a very talented team undermined by an OC . . . also say Licht is a poor GM?
Maybe they don't, maybe those are different people. Not sure.
Because of Licht's record without Brady.
The you mean because of his record with Winston.
He brought in Arians to fish/cut bait on Winston AND that team of 2019 already had his players in Evans, Godwin, Barrett, Cappa, Marpet, Jensen, Smith, JPP L David, Vea and Carlton David and I think they drafted Dean . . . AND EVEN BROUGHT IN YOUR WORLD BEATER . . .Miller
:-)
This is why I keep pointing out that IN THE REAL WORLD the team makeup is partly CIRCUMSTANCES.
There's no way they don't draft Winston (or Mariota). A really bad choice (not made by Licht) is to bring in Lovie. Lovie tanks the team, so they get the premium pick and there is a QB . . and a Florida QB at that.
So if you view the pick of Winston as reflecting the circumstances created by the team, not Licht, then Licht is part of righting the ship by creating the SB team around Winston (Evans Godwin Marpet etc) and bringing in the HOF coach and GOAT QB
That's probably one reason the owners seem to love him, he pulled their assess out of the fire.
6-20 with McCown, Glennon, Fitzpatrick. Let me guess... it doesn't count.
And you can't just say he had to take Winston or Mariota when they had a monster offer on the table from the Eagles.
I didnt say anything didnt count. I said that part of being FAIR - something you would know f- all about - is the context.
And you prove that point by suggesting that: 1) IN THE REAL WORLD the Glazers allow Licht to pass on Winston for the alleged Eagles/Mariota offer and then doubling down on that with 2) "McCown, Glenn and Fitzpatrick."
Love Smith coached McCown before the Bucs right? Lovie hired before Licht? Lovie coached the team with McCown here?
Glennon is on the roster when Licht arrives and Licht ios the guy . . wjho let him walk, I though? Right? He went there and got the shot you said the Bucs should've given him . . AND FAILED
Fitzpatrick is a guy brought in because of Winston's struggles right? (the original point)
YOU GO THE ""McCown, Glenn and Fitzpatrick" because you dont have a response to the actual point I made which was:
"He brought in Arians to fish/cut bait on Winston AND that team of 2019 already had his players in Evans, Godwin, Barrett, Cappa, Marpet, Jensen, Smith, JPP L David, Vea and Carlton David and I think they drafted Dean"
It's signing Brady and there's no close second. It's probably the best move in franchise history.
Tom Brady reportedly came to the Bucs because of the weapons (Licht) and Arians (Licht) and east coast (family). Arians came to the Bucs because of . . Licht . . . and because his favored staff was available and family.
I dont think Licht is some great GM in terms of drafting BUT it should be impossible to critique Licht's time with the Buccaneers without first acknowledging that the Super Bowl is pretty much all him
He's responsible for both Arians and Brady and he drafted most of the "weapons" that both saw on the Bucs roster when they decided to come here.
He also drafted a number of big flops.
LOL
I said people don't like Licht because of his record without Brady. You said "you mean his record with Winston". I assumed you were trying to blame Licht's disastrous pre-Brady resume on Winston but it's not just Winston. It was 4 different QBs and 3 different head coaches.
You're bringing up a bunch of players and going off on a different incoherent rant.
Licht had the first pick in the draft. He had many options and and failed horribly. He was bailed out by the stars aligning for us to sign Brady and it went well as anyone could imagine.
Licht is a turd. Brady took the stink off the turd and polished it. But Brady is gone. The clock struck midnight. Back to reality. Our quarterback is Baker fucking Mayfield.
He had many options and and failed horribly.
Again, you've been called out on this and won't provide a link.
It's because it's complete bullshit and you know it. Nothing more than the typical pre-draft fodder for casuals.
