young man's league with exceptions like Peyton.
The NFL swings from trend to trend and yes the trend now is young offensive mind. Copy cat league. The run game was dead a few years ago, But, I think Tomlin is actually much younger than Peyton Reid, Harbaugh(s) plural, Bowles, Quinn
I thought Tomlin was something like 52, closer to Vrabel, for example, then any of those guys.
Could be wrong, but "washed" is maybe a bit much lol
sometimes washed has nothing to do with age
You've been doing it so long you are over it and lost the drive
Signing Tomlin as a free agent, yes i'd be open to that
Trading premium draft capital for him, no thanks
Trading premium draft capital for him, no thanks
i didnt see that was part of the equation, but yes I would agree.
I wasnt saying even that the Bucs should get him. I was just saying he is a damn good coach
The biggest knock on Tomlin (after maybe the playoffs) is the fan perception that it is a young mans league. Will be interesting to see if that is the view 10 year down the road. or maybe even 5.
Young offensive min" is the shiny object du jour and fair enough when you look at some of the very successful young offensive coaches
The Red Board was aflutter over the prospect of Harbaugh coming here. I thought Tomlin had the edge over Harbaugh (regular season) and even in the playoffs they were .500? I think Tomlin has the better win percentage too. He's a former Buc. But he seems to be a "no" compared to a Harbaugh "yes."
Maybe its the playoff difference.
a few things here
1 - as i've said multiple times like a broken record, the draft capital is a go versus no go here. Getting Harbaugh for free versus having to go give up a 1st and 2nd or similar to that for Tomlin, no way
2 - Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game since January 2017
3 - Harbaugh deals with Lamar Jackson who give-ths and take-ths. He is an MVP type QB but is good to miss 5 games a year. That's typically hard to over-come
4 - Since 2018 season, call it 8 seasons:
Harbaugh has finished first in the division 4 times, made playoffs 6 of the 8 years; won more 11 games+ in 4 of the seasons. Won 3 playoff games, lost 6 games
Tomlin has finished first in the division 2 times, made the playoffs 5 of the 8 years; won more 11 games+ in 1 of the seasons. 0-5 in the playoffs
To me, the Tomlin name is living off his longevity of not having a losing record; but his teams have been rather mediocre and never considered a true playoff threat. Sure, alot of that goes on not having a QB and riding out the down years of Big Ben career, etc.
Sure, alot of that goes on not having a QB and riding out the down years of Big Ben career, etc.
That's a pretty big qualifier you added at the end there, no?
To me, what Tomlin accomplished with mostly crap QB play is pretty admirable.
Sure, alot of that goes on not having a QB and riding out the down years of Big Ben career, etc.
Its the NFL, right? You support a team where people argue the team never wins anything without Brady, totally expected disaster with Trask or even Mayfiled. LOL.
The QB is a pretty important position, right? Thats why i wondering about the Kenny Pickett draft pick.
so when you say this:
2 - Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game since January 2017
It gets a little watered down because that isa basically the beginning of the "down years of Big Ben career, etc." The 2018 season (after January 2017) is when things all start to fall apart, in no small measure because of the lunacy of Antonio Brown!
Sure, alot of that goes on not having a QB and riding out the down years of Big Ben career, etc.
Its the NFL, right? You support a team where people argue the team never wins anything without Brady, totally expected disaster with Trask or even Mayfiled. LOL.
The QB is a pretty important position, right? Thats why i wondering about the Kenny Pickett draft pick.
so when you say this:
2 - Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game since January 2017
It gets a little watered down because that isa basically the beginning of the "down years of Big Ben career, etc." The 2018 season (after January 2017) is when things all start to fall apart, in no small measure because of the lunacy of Antonio Brown!
understood and solid point. Big Ben was actually still pretty good in 2018 and 2020 seasons (got hurt in 2019)
2018, Steelers went 9-6-1 and Big Ben had 34 TDs
2019 was Mason Rudolf year and Steelers went 8-8. One thing is for sure, Tomlin certainly has a floor
2020 was Steelers best year under Tomlin in the last 8 years, going 12-4 with Big Ben throwing 33 TDs. But remember this was the year they started 11-0 only to collapse to a first round playoff exit. So his best season in the last 8 likely his biggest indictment
2021 was Bens last year and threw 22 TDs. Got in playoffs at 9-7-1 with a first round exit
2022 - Kenny Pickett year - 9-8
2023 - Kenny Pickett year 2- 10-7
so basically couldn't develop a 1st round talent, albeit, was a bad draft pick
2024 -signed a vet in Russell Wilson - went 10-7
2025 - signed a vet in Aaron Rodgers - went 10-7
Given how Baker played this year and let's call in 2023 with 2024 being the exception; hard to argue he's must better than what Rodgers was this year.
Now you combine Tomlin with a top OC and then maybe we are cooking but again this leads to the point of....why not just hire a solid offensive mind so we dont lose them.
Big Ben was actually still pretty good in 2018 and 2020 seasons (got hurt in 2019)
yes but you're describing where Tomlin's longevity almost works against him a bit.
Just think of todays Bucs. Everyone is outraged because Bowles lost the locker room, most wanting him FIRED in year 5 of his tenure as HC. "THE MESSAGE IS STALE"
In 2018, Tomlin is in year 10 or 11 of his time as a HC and he loses the locker room (just like Bowles). But, Tomlin then takes the team from that disintegration/meltdown of the successful years and rebuilds it, mostly without a QB.
Ur, use 2024 as an example. You say "signed Wilson went 10-7" lmao.
I think it was actually win 6 or 7 games with JUSTIN FIELDS . . then drop in Wilson who won but then COLLAPSED, as i recall. Wilson couldnt hold down the job the next year with the Giants? Justin Fields couldn't hold it down a job with the jets. Tomlin went 10-7 with the combo.
Even this season Rodgers is past his prime but still takes them to the playoffs and they re in that game until the 4th quarter
THIS IS WHY SOME WONDER . . . WITH A REAL QB
Head coach is a very weird thing to analyze.
Tomlin is a .628 win percentage, never has a losing season.
Belichick (good coach) is .647, but without Brady is .449. Still called GOAT of HCs by many
Tomlin has a winning record against Harbaugh, but Harbaugh is "take over the whole team" worthy?
Harbaugh is about 10 years older than Tomlin, but Tomlin is washed.
So much is just circumstance and luck, especially the longer you go on.
I think the reality is that these are all very good coaches.
