No Evans = deduct 2-3 wins
Wrong
Agreed, but its an interesting question. Last season the Bucs are 4-4 with him and 4-5 without him?
One of the losses is the Detroit game. That games begins with Mayfield throwing deep to Evans 3 or 4 times, all incomplete and one PI call. All series ending in punts. I think that is one reason someone like Kirwan makes the suggestion he did.
Hard to balance though because there are also a couple losses where he has modest production BUT is catching a TD down tight because he's such a tough match up close to EZ
And its certainly possible that the team's other weaknesses negate his positive impact. The Falcons game obviously stands out.
The actual question is whether he is worth the $20 million plus in 2026 GIVEN THE OTHER NEEDS? Would an edge rusher or a couple good LBs have a greater impact. That is a super easy question to answer 'YES" if the $20 million plus is for Mike Evans, Hall of Fame. But, would you choose Sterling Shepherd if you had to pay him $20million+ plus? Evans production in 2025 (30/368/3) was roughly Sterling Shepherd (39/371/1).
Evans isnt getting $20M; he had injury year and down year.
but at $12.5M...absolutely
Keenan Allen got 1 year $8.5M last year
Cooper Kupp got 3 years, $45M, or $15M per year
Do i give Evans 2 years, $30M....yeah i would; particularly if that $30M has performance incentives to get him there
most of us already know in our hearts, this is a poorly run franchise and that the Bucs will not re-sign Mike Evans. so now you are making sense of it...that we will be fine without him
we will not...and you can't compare our record with him as the team fell apart once he went down in the Detroit game. It was over. Maybe that was was derailed the team.....mike not keeping the streak alive? how else do you explain the demise? (kidding but none of us know why, do we?)
Evans isnt getting $20M; he had injury year and down year.
but at $12.5M...absolutely
Keenan Allen got 1 year $8.5M last year
Cooper Kupp got 3 years, $45M, or $15M per year
Do i give Evans 2 years, $30M....yeah i would; particularly if that $30M has performance incentives to get him there
most of us already know in our hearts, this is a poorly run franchise and that the Bucs will not re-sign Mike Evans. so now you are making sense of it...that we will be fine without him
we will not...and you can't compare our record with him as the team fell apart once he went down in the Detroit game. It was over. Maybe that was was derailed the team.....mike not keeping the streak alive? how else do you explain the demise? (kidding but none of us know why, do we?)
what a great post
You're placing a value on him ("Evans isnt getting $20M; he had injury year and down year. but at $12.5M...absolutely) that is, for example, below what PR predicts ("Evans will cost somewhere between $16 million-$20 million")
AND at the same . . .
suggesting the Bucs are a "poorly run franchise" because they will not-resign him . . .
So yes, like maybe in the scenario where he wants $20 million lol??? Or, in your example $13 million.
LMAO that was the point of my post (s).
The Bucs are in a place where they have to make tough decisions on veteran players. By your own post there is a scenario where bringing Evans back hypothetically hurts the team, absent true HOF production to offsets the other players we had to pass on to pay him.
Evans isnt getting $20M; he had injury year and down year.
but at $12.5M...absolutely
Keenan Allen got 1 year $8.5M last year
Cooper Kupp got 3 years, $45M, or $15M per year
Do i give Evans 2 years, $30M....yeah i would; particularly if that $30M has performance incentives to get him there
most of us already know in our hearts, this is a poorly run franchise and that the Bucs will not re-sign Mike Evans. so now you are making sense of it...that we will be fine without him
we will not...and you can't compare our record with him as the team fell apart once he went down in the Detroit game. It was over. Maybe that was was derailed the team.....mike not keeping the streak alive? how else do you explain the demise? (kidding but none of us know why, do we?)
what a great post
You're placing a value on him ("Evans isnt getting $20M; he had injury year and down year. but at $12.5M...absolutely) that is, for example, below what PR predicts ("Evans will cost somewhere between $16 million-$20 million")
AND at the same . . .
suggesting the Bucs are a "poorly run franchise" because they will not-resign him . . .
So yes, like maybe in the scenario where he wants $20 million lol??? Or, in your example $13 million.
LMAO that was the point of my post (s).
The Bucs are in a place where they have to make tough decisions on veteran players. By your own post there is a scenario where bringing Evans back hypothetically hurts the team, absent true HOF production to offsets the other players we had to pass on to pay him.
i mean ultimately you give Mike the $20M on a 1 year deal if that's his value
i would be surprised if he got that anywhere else but Tampa
so completely fine if Mike needs to test market here to determine actual market value
Evans isn't receiving $20 mil or more.
He will take what the Bucs can give him or he retires. And if he retires or want to go elsewhere for money that is fine too.
That games begins with Mayfield throwing deep to Evans 3 or 4 times, all incomplete and one PI call. All series ending in punts. I think that is one reason someone like Kirwan makes the suggestion he did.
Good God that game triggered the fuck out of me.
Our line is getting dominated so chuck it deep... Durrrrrr
15 tops for Evans. 10 guaranteed with incentives?
no way he gets a 2nd year. Doubt he wants one.
CBS referred to a potential Chubb move as a better version of the 2025 Reddick move.
agree? Disagree?
15 tops for Evans. 10 guaranteed with incentives?
no way he gets a 2nd year. Doubt he wants one.
yeah would think he gets that in Tampa. Other teams may give him a 1 year prove it deal but in Tampa, he likely gets the $15M easily
or so you would hope. Stay being a fan Licht...dont turn ruthless businessman now....
I disagree.
Reddick didn't light it up but he didn't break the bank and he allowed Diaby some breathing room on the other side to do his thing. Kancey going down threw the monkey wrench into things. Chubb is going to be asking for more money and I am not sure the Bucs are in that mindset to spend that much money on Chubb. And if you do spend that money on Chubb you have no money left to nab a competent DT in case Kancey goes down again. Bringing back Gaines to be the backup to Vea and Kancey is the easy way out but isn't going to help if Kancey goes down again.
Also Chubb is going to be asked to drop in coverage in this scheme and he is a lot bigger than Reddick. Chaisson might be better to asked to be on coverage on occasion because he started off as a LB/DB in this league. He wasn't that good asked to go backward with drops and clearly is better going downhill. But if you need an edge that can drop in coverage too Chaisson is the better overall player.