There's no way they are going for it there after TWO negative plays and a chance to tie with almost 5 minutes left.
The offense choked. That was the chance. First, I have NO IDEA why Mayfield chooses to NOT hand the ball to Bucky on 2nd and 1. Its like he thinks hes got a better chance ? with Bucky as a lead blocker? Second, the rookie snap . . . ugh
yeah obviously
only a few ass clowns expecting different.
First, it wasn't after two negative plays. It was one negative play on third down.
Second, it's more than a few ass clowns:
The Buccaneers should have gone for it while they had the chance.
They had the opportunity to tie or go for it on fourth-and-3 at the Washington 14-yard line with 4:45 to go and kicked a tying field goal to make it 20-20. ESPN Analytics disagreed with that decision, having their win probability at 46.1% (57.4% chance to convert) if going for it, whereas their win probability with a field goal was 43.6% with a 93.2% chance to make the field goal.
After the Bucs tied it up, Washington strung together chunk pass plays of 21, 18 and 8 yards while eating up valuable clock time, setting up the Commanders' 37-yard winning field goal.
oh sorry, one baker QB run for zero yards, then a brainfart premature snap by Barton for -2 yards
this when on the last drive, was "The Fumble"....which i think netflix may make a documentary on that call and play it was so memorable.
so 4th and 3, under 5 minutes to go, a tough call to make
in hindsight, yeah, let's go for it, but at 2nd and 1, how were we even in that situation?
There's no way they are going for it there after TWO negative plays and a chance to tie with almost 5 minutes left.
The offense choked. That was the chance. First, I have NO IDEA why Mayfield chooses to NOT hand the ball to Bucky on 2nd and 1. Its like he thinks hes got a better chance ? with Bucky as a lead blocker? Second, the rookie snap . . . ugh
yeah obviously
only a few ass clowns expecting different.
First, it wasn't after two negative plays. It was one negative play on third down.
Second, it's more than a few ass clowns:
The Buccaneers should have gone for it while they had the chance.
They had the opportunity to tie or go for it on fourth-and-3 at the Washington 14-yard line with 4:45 to go and kicked a tying field goal to make it 20-20. ESPN Analytics disagreed with that decision, having their win probability at 46.1% (57.4% chance to convert) if going for it, whereas their win probability with a field goal was 43.6% with a 93.2% chance to make the field goal.
After the Bucs tied it up, Washington strung together chunk pass plays of 21, 18 and 8 yards while eating up valuable clock time, setting up the Commanders' 37-yard winning field goal.
This stupid jackoff will defend Todd with his last dying breath.
which i think netflix may make a documentary on that call and play it was so memorable.
Netflix would be better served doing a documentary of your boy’s outstanding insight to his stellar clock management:
“We had a personnel problem so we called it later than normal”
which i think netflix may make a documentary on that call and play it was so memorable.
Netflix would be better served doing a documentary of your boy’s outstanding insight to his stellar clock management:
“We had a personnel problem so we called it later than normal”
lol - did he really say that?
Take away the defensive woes with him as DC. The shit we've seen from him as HC only is enough of a reason to move on. We can go 9-8 and 10-7 every year, but this dude will never win anything beyond the division.
lol - did he really say that?
Take away the defensive woes with him as DC. The shit we've seen from him as HC only is enough of a reason to move on. We can go 9-8 and 10-7 every year, but this dude will never win anything beyond the division.
His quote.
Not to mention this banger coming out of the half:
"He keeps getting out of the pocket to his left. To his, our left. His left. I mean, our left, his right."
”bUiLd hIm a sTaTuE aNd eXtEnD hIM”
Wasn't the "personnel problem" LVD's injury?
How did the timeouts issue impact the game? The game is lost by a pass getting them into FG range, right?
The game is lost by a pass getting them into FG range, right?
Was that the one where he had Diaby trying to defend Ekeler on a wheel route?
Outstanding call, Todd!
How did the timeouts issue impact the game?
The point is that he has BUTCHERED time management and situational/game awareness his entire tenure as a HC and it was on full display last night.
As Biggs said, remove the whole DC aspect of this.
The aforementioned stuff should alone get him canned. It shows what everyone else (minus the lone dipshit) is saying…he’s simply not a good head coach
ESPN Analytics disagreed with that decision, having their win probability at 46.1% (57.4% chance to convert) if going for it, whereas their win probability with a field goal was 43.6% with a 93.2% chance to make the field goal.
I mean . . . . math?
after two negative plays - a stop at the line and an actual loss of yardage - there is almost 5 minutes left. You're not taking a 93.2% tie off the table there for a 57% chance to convert that only changes the win probability by 3%???
Right? This is where "analytics" has to give way to the real world?
In a SINGULAR GAME -- win or go home - you dont overweight the LONG TERM AVERAGES of going for it etc and those long term averages don't take into account what is actually happening in the game like MOMENTUM (2 bad plays in a row)
I am only offering this to try to explain a DIFFERENT POINT OF VIEW and that my response is not arguing with you. Its just a difference in the way of thinking highlighted by both of these points
The game is lost by a pass getting them into FG range, right?
Was that the one where he had Diaby trying to defend Ekeler on a wheel route?
Outstanding call, Todd!
A zone blitz that did not work, but others did right? They didnt (and do not) try to line up Diaby as the coverage person, he dropped out in a blitz package. Deception that did not work. Other did.
thats the thing about blitzing, right?
How did the timeouts issue impact the game?
The point is that he has BUTCHERED time management and situational/game awareness his entire tenure as a HC and it was on full display last night.
As Biggs said, remove the whole DC aspect of this.
The aforementioned stuff should alone get him canned. It shows what everyone else (minus the lone dipshit) is saying…he’s simply not a good head coach
So, what you and Biggs are saying is that if the loss alone is not enough to fire Bowles he should be fired for his SEASON long mismanagement of time outs? BUT, this specific example is not the best, right?
I am only offering this to try to explain a DIFFERENT POINT OF VIEW and that my response is not arguing with you
Not saying you are
So, what you and Biggs are saying is that if the loss alone is not enough to fire Bowles he should be fired for his SEASON long mismanagement of time outs? BUT, this specific example is not the best, right?
I mean, the specific example is pretty damning. But, there’s enough ammo over the last 3 years regarding the topic. Some more egregious than others.
Right? This is where "analytics" has to give way to the real world?
The real world played out MULTIPLE TIMES this season, when Bowles opted to put the game in his defenses’s hands vs. going for a potential kill shot. All resulting in losses.
Last night, with the season on the line, he proved he’s never going to change.
No amount of talent infusion is going to change that “loser” mentality. If anything, it’ll further encourage it.
Doubt Bowles gets fired, but a 1 win improvement, and immediate out in the home playoff game - against a rookie QB - means something needs to change.Bowles or no Bowles there are some defensive PERSONNEL changes coming
Yep.
And, there needs to be an infusion of new assistants on the defensive side of the ball.
Agreed. I know SR has been saying this all season.
Problem is, Bowles is an extreme loyalist to “his guys”. Both players and coaches.
Something is about to give.
agreed again. Will be interesting to see it play out.
This was Licht last night, I guess
"“It’s a good time to be a Buc,” Licht said. “We’re doing a lot of great things, the entire organization. A lot of stability has helped. Obviously, great players, great coaching. So it’s an exciting time.”
and the is the PR draft profiue this morning listing positions of need:
Inside LB
Outside LB
Safety
CB
DT
WR
so, basically an ENTIRE defense lol
Licht makes those comments and still some expecting Bowles to get fired
like i said, the dudes closer to having a statue built, maybe even have his opening 3rd quarter comments on it!
i'm all for replacing Bowles but let's not blow our loads and think it's Coen just yet. Offense choked last night in a big game. It's learning experience.
Belichick has shown that without talent, dudes a losing coach
Tomlin has shown that without talent, i can get you 9 wins but without a QB, we are losing first round
The team lacked talent on defense because there was only so much money to go around. Sure they missed on a few in the draft, but that dead cap space is what is saving Bowles job. Bucs have played with house money these last 2 years. Next year, the pressure will be on Bowles because i expect Bowles to land a big free agency defender, spend top picks on defense.
Bucs make playoffs, and lose in first round next year, Bowles is not the coach in 2026....but you are wishful thinking if you think Bowles is out this year. I could be wrong, maybe Tomlin or Bill B become available and Bucs make a splash...but it wouldnt be for Coen.
If anything, and maybe it's bittersweet benefit, but Coen just likely lost any real head coaching opportunities with last nights performance. He'll get the Jaguars interview but they likely shoot for a bigger name.
I read Licht’s comments, believe they could be interpreted as selling some sunshine in order to put a positive spin on an upcoming move.
Could be wrong, but I doubt anyone in the front office will allow Coen to get out of the building.
Right? This is where "analytics" has to give way to the real world?
The real world played out MULTIPLE TIMES this season, when Bowles opted to put the game in his defenses’s hands vs. going for a potential kill shot. All resulting in losses.
Last night, with the season on the line, he proved he’s never going to change.
No amount of talent infusion is going to change that “loser” mentality. If anything, it’ll further encourage it.
I saw this becoming an issue early in Q1, as we saw it play out within half of the first quarter. Bowles declines the penalty on the first drive and accepted the FG instead of 4th-and-2 at the WASH 27. Then, on the following drive, Quinn goes for it on 4th-and-2 at the TB 20. They didn't get it (or allow points on the next TB drive) but it showed that Quinn would be playing for the win while Bowles would be playing not to lose. And that's exactly what happened the rest of the game as well.
Last night we continued the issue of the defense not being able to get off the field. It’s crazy how minimal of possessions our offense had over the last two weeks.
