This team has no depth at all right now. So unless these UDFAs were homeruns, this team is gonna be screwed once a player gets hurt.
Why? Is it because Bowles is stupid? No. He's not doing this because he can't see something that Joe fan can see. He can see it. So ask yourself why he's doing it. We can only speculate about the answer, but Bowles is well aware of what he's doing and why he's doing it.This team has no depth at all right now. So unless these UDFAs were homeruns, this team is gonna be screwed once a player gets hurt.
Why? Is it because Bowles is stupid? No. He's not doing this because he can't see something that Joe fan can see. He can see it. So ask yourself why he's doing it. We can only speculate about the answer, but Bowles is well aware of what he's doing and why he's doing it.This team has no depth at all right now. So unless these UDFAs were homeruns, this team is gonna be screwed once a player gets hurt.
Yeah it is called the veterans from last year teams were injured and failed the team down the stretch. Bowles is going with youth not only because of cap necessity but also to have a proper rotation.
Whatever depth the Bucs though they had last year was tested down the stretch on offense and defense and it FAILED.
That is why the Bucs did a reset with so many young players. I say good.
But there are low budget free agents out there. Normally, when teams aren't happy about their depth they scour the waiver wires after the final cutdown and bring in a couple guys. They usually bring in a few guys for the practice squad as well. Guys that were not here during training camp. This time - nobody. Not a one that I can see. I expected them to bring in a good handful of guys. That's what's curious to me. It's not a major thing, but it makes me wonder what is going on. If Bowles is so desperate, why is he keeping 12 rookies?Why? Is it because Bowles is stupid? No. He's not doing this because he can't see something that Joe fan can see. He can see it. So ask yourself why he's doing it. We can only speculate about the answer, but Bowles is well aware of what he's doing and why he's doing it.This team has no depth at all right now. So unless these UDFAs were homeruns, this team is gonna be screwed once a player gets hurt.
Yeah it is called the veterans from last year teams were injured and failed the team down the stretch. Bowles is going with youth not only because of cap necessity but also to have a proper rotation.
Whatever depth the Bucs though they had last year was tested down the stretch on offense and defense and it FAILED.
That is why the Bucs did a reset with so many young players. I say good.
If Bowles is so desperate, why is he keeping 12 rookies?
Probably because he wanted to have “essentially the same team” as last season.
The league average turnover according to Over The Cap is 56%. The Bucs retain 32 by my count, so that's 60%, less turnover than the average but more than I thought. I thought the number would be in the high 30s. Jensen and Gage gone due to injury. I didn't forsee that. Forgot my crystal ball. A couple depth linemen gone like Molchon and O'Connor. So again more turnover than I thought, still less than the average.If Bowles is so desperate, why is he keeping 12 rookies?
Probably because he wanted to have “essentially the same team” as last season.
I said before there are always rookies making the team, maybe half a dozen, that's not rebuilding. But 12? That's a lot. And no waiver wire pickups at all? I was wrong. I was wrong in thinking that Bowles was fighting to keep his job this year. That's incorrect. Now I realize he is part of the transition process. He's in on it. He's been given job security by Licht so that he can be part of a transition rather than having to resist it to keep his job. I'd be very surprised if he gets fired this year.
But there are low budget free agents out there. Normally, when teams aren't happy about their depth they scour the waiver wires after the final cutdown and bring in a couple guys. They usually bring in a few guys for the practice squad as well. Guys that were not here during training camp. This time - nobody. Not a one that I can see. I expected them to bring in a good handful of guys. That's what's curious to me. It's not a major thing, but it makes me wonder what is going on. If Bowles is so desperate, why is he keeping 12 rookies?Why? Is it because Bowles is stupid? No. He's not doing this because he can't see something that Joe fan can see. He can see it. So ask yourself why he's doing it. We can only speculate about the answer, but Bowles is well aware of what he's doing and why he's doing it.This team has no depth at all right now. So unless these UDFAs were homeruns, this team is gonna be screwed once a player gets hurt.
Yeah it is called the veterans from last year teams were injured and failed the team down the stretch. Bowles is going with youth not only because of cap necessity but also to have a proper rotation.
Whatever depth the Bucs though they had last year was tested down the stretch on offense and defense and it FAILED.
That is why the Bucs did a reset with so many young players. I say good.
The Bucs did sign low cost free agents like Gaines, Neal, Moore, Feiler, etc. But we are presuming that the team didn't do their homework on the free agents at safety compared to the UDFAs. Other than Neal the Bucs went aggressively after UDFAs to fill in gaps and we shall see if that pans out. Veteran free agents even at a low cost are not a slam dunk to work out. Moore for example was outplayed by Trey Palmer and I do not think Gage was going to hold onto the #3 spot for long anyways if he was not hurt.
To me this feels more like 2005-2006 than 2009-2010 IMO. The Bucs have a veteran core still and they are asking rookies to do more in the starting line up. Keep in mind that even in 2009-2010 the team did still sign veteran players while going through the "hungry" movement but they were merely filling gaps or as coaching mentors for younger players.
Lots of other teams seem to do well with rookies. Coaches need to step up and develop those young players like those other teams do.
The league average turnover according to Over The Cap is 56%. The Bucs retain 32 by my count, so that's 60%, less turnover than the average but more than I thought. I thought the number would be in the high 30s. Jensen and Gage gone due to injury. I didn't forsee that. Forgot my crystal ball. A couple depth linemen gone like Molchon and O'Connor. So again more turnover than I thought, still less than the average.If Bowles is so desperate, why is he keeping 12 rookies?
Probably because he wanted to have “essentially the same team” as last season.
I said before there are always rookies making the team, maybe half a dozen, that's not rebuilding. But 12? That's a lot. And no waiver wire pickups at all? I was wrong. I was wrong in thinking that Bowles was fighting to keep his job this year. That's incorrect. Now I realize he is part of the transition process. He's in on it. He's been given job security by Licht so that he can be part of a transition rather than having to resist it to keep his job. I'd be very surprised if he gets fired this year.
There are 25 players on the initial 2023 roster that weren't on the initial 2022 roster. So that's retaining 27/52 players, for 51.9% retainage. That's a pretty far cry from the "essentially the same team" nonsense you were spouting for months.
You're kinda admitting error while also joking about forgetting your crystal ball. Nobody forced you go on nonstop about all of the players guaranteed to return (many of whom did not) or yap on about "essentially the same team" for months. You did that all on your own, all while arguing against those that were telling you to pump the brakes. Reality is reality, and this is reality.
I think you are counting wrong. I count 30 Trask, Vaughn, White, Evans, Gage, Godwin, Kieft, Otton, Goedeke, Hainsey, Jensen, Leverett, Wirfs, Gholston, Hall, Vea, Barrett, Nelson, Tryon, Britt, David, White, Davis, Dean, Delaney, McCollum, MurphyBunting, Winfield, Camarda, Triner. I'm not sure how you get 27.
The only reason I kept harping on it is because you kept bringing it up. Exhibit A: Right now. I didn't bring it up, you did. But I made clear what I meant was that of the top ten salaried players we still have 8. And of the final 53 roster (I expected to be a bit higher in the high 30s.) And the same head coach. So essentially the same team meant that there haven't been major changes to the makeup of the team relative to what happens with every NFL team in a league where change is the norm. So again, you want to argue I should have used a different term, but I always explained what I meant. I've always said the same thing, but you don't want to look at what my explanation was or is. You just want to focus on that one term I used. Don't accuse me of always bringing it up when I'm only responding to your posts because you keep bringing it up. I'm not going to bring it up again, OK? Unless you do.
But as I said I will admit again to being wrong about the Bowles-Licht relationship. Based on his 12 rookies, it's apparent he isn't worried about losing his job this year if he doesn't make the playoffs. He's following a long-range plan he and Licht agreed upon, and Licht will be judging his performance on more than just wins and losses. Bowles wouldn't be keeping 12 rookies if he was on the hot seat this year.
I think you are counting wrong. I count 30 Trask, Vaughn, White, Evans, Gage, Godwin, Kieft, Otton, Goedeke, Hainsey, Jensen, Leverett, Wirfs, Gholston, Hall, Vea, Barrett, Nelson, Tryon, Britt, David, White, Davis, Dean, Delaney, McCollum, MurphyBunting, Winfield, Camarda, Triner. I'm not sure how you get 27.
So your count went from 32 to now 30. It's about to go to 27: Sean Murphy-Bunting, Russell Gage, or Ryan Jensen aren't on the initial 2023 roster and won't play down for the Buccaneers this season.
The only reason I kept harping on it is because you kept bringing it up. Exhibit A: Right now. I didn't bring it up, you did. But I made clear what I meant was that of the top ten salaried players we still have 8. And of the final 53 roster (I expected to be a bit higher in the high 30s.) And the same head coach. So essentially the same team meant that there haven't been major changes to the makeup of the team relative to what happens with every NFL team in a league where change is the norm. So again, you want to argue I should have used a different term, but I always explained what I meant. I've always said the same thing, but you don't want to look at what my explanation was or is. You just want to focus on that one term I used.
Nobody forced you to say the 2023 Buccaneers were going to be "essentially the same team" as they were in 2022. Nobody forced you to keep repeating that and that there is no rebuild over and over and over and over since January
Are you bringing it up now? Of course not, as you don't like taking your medicine. Hell, you're still walking the tight rope trying to rationalize why you weren't wrong for months.
So essentially the same team meant that there haven't been major changes to the makeup of the team relative to what happens with every NFL team in a league where change is the norm.
This spin is hilarious. Hilarious.
Don't accuse me of always bringing it up when I'm only responding to your posts because you keep bringing it up. I'm not going to bring it up again, OK? Unless you do.
I've never accused of you bringing it up. I'm accusing you of being completely wrong when speaking about it for months.
But as I said I will admit again to being wrong about the Bowles-Licht relationship. Based on his 12 rookies, it's apparent he isn't worried about losing his job this year if he doesn't make the playoffs. He's following a long-range plan he and Licht agreed upon, and Licht will be judging his performance on more than just wins and losses. Bowles wouldn't be keeping 12 rookies if he was on the hot seat this year.
Will you whine about forgetting your crystal ball if and when this winds up not being accurate as well? The assumptions you're displaying about above, several of which aren't accurate, are fascinating. Bowles isn't worried about losing his job because of rookies? lolz. Was Todd Bowles given complete roster control? Link to how Licht will be judging Bowles' performance on more than just wins and losses? Bowles and Licht are following an agreed upon long-range plan? SYPOYA.
At some point, maybe you'll learn not to opine on things you know very little to nothing about.
How many of the vets that were brought back actually played well last year? (Beyond Wirfs, Evans. Godwin and Lavante David)
Opining about what we know little about is what this board is for. Nobody on this board knows much about what really goes on inside OneBuc, including you or anybody else. All we can do is speculate and opine, and I enjoy doing that. I never claimed to have any insider knowledge or football expertise beyond that of a normal fan. Get off your high horse and pull the stick out of your ass.I think you are counting wrong. I count 30 Trask, Vaughn, White, Evans, Gage, Godwin, Kieft, Otton, Goedeke, Hainsey, Jensen, Leverett, Wirfs, Gholston, Hall, Vea, Barrett, Nelson, Tryon, Britt, David, White, Davis, Dean, Delaney, McCollum, MurphyBunting, Winfield, Camarda, Triner. I'm not sure how you get 27.
So your count went from 32 to now 30. It's about to go to 27: Sean Murphy-Bunting, Russell Gage, or Ryan Jensen aren't on the initial 2023 roster and won't play down for the Buccaneers this season.
The only reason I kept harping on it is because you kept bringing it up. Exhibit A: Right now. I didn't bring it up, you did. But I made clear what I meant was that of the top ten salaried players we still have 8. And of the final 53 roster (I expected to be a bit higher in the high 30s.) And the same head coach. So essentially the same team meant that there haven't been major changes to the makeup of the team relative to what happens with every NFL team in a league where change is the norm. So again, you want to argue I should have used a different term, but I always explained what I meant. I've always said the same thing, but you don't want to look at what my explanation was or is. You just want to focus on that one term I used.
Nobody forced you to say the 2023 Buccaneers were going to be "essentially the same team" as they were in 2022. Nobody forced you to keep repeating that and that there is no rebuild over and over and over and over since January
Are you bringing it up now? Of course not, as you don't like taking your medicine. Hell, you're still walking the tight rope trying to rationalize why you weren't wrong for months.
So essentially the same team meant that there haven't been major changes to the makeup of the team relative to what happens with every NFL team in a league where change is the norm.
This spin is hilarious. Hilarious.
Don't accuse me of always bringing it up when I'm only responding to your posts because you keep bringing it up. I'm not going to bring it up again, OK? Unless you do.
I've never accused of you bringing it up. I'm accusing you of being completely wrong when speaking about it for months.
But as I said I will admit again to being wrong about the Bowles-Licht relationship. Based on his 12 rookies, it's apparent he isn't worried about losing his job this year if he doesn't make the playoffs. He's following a long-range plan he and Licht agreed upon, and Licht will be judging his performance on more than just wins and losses. Bowles wouldn't be keeping 12 rookies if he was on the hot seat this year.
Will you whine about forgetting your crystal ball if and when this winds up not being accurate as well? The assumptions you're displaying about above, several of which aren't accurate, are fascinating. Bowles isn't worried about losing his job because of rookies? lolz. Was Todd Bowles given complete roster control? Link to how Licht will be judging Bowles' performance on more than just wins and losses? Bowles and Licht are following an agreed upon long-range plan? SYPOYA.
At some point, maybe you'll learn not to opine on things you know very little to nothing about.
As for Bowles having complete control of the roster, no. But he has complete control when it comes to later round picks and UDFAs. He wouldn't cut a Day 1 or Day 2 pick without some serious discussion with Licht, but he can cut a 5th round pick or later and Licht wouldn't lift an eyebrow. He didn't have anybody telling him he has to keep 12 rookies. But he does have (Warning: Speculation! Warning: Speculation! Warning: Speculation!) an agreement with Licht on how to proceed this year. Licht and Bowles are a team. They aren't at odds with each other as in some organizations. Whatever they're doing, they're doing it together. This is a fact (Warning: Not a fact. Speculation!) that I didn't fully appreciate until now, when he kept 12 rookies. That was a wakeup call.
I'll bet anybody right now one crisp dollar bill that 12 months from now Todd Bowles is still the head coach of the Buccaneers.
Nobody on this board knows much about what really goes on inside OneBuc
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I never claimed to have any insider knowledge or football expertise beyond that of a normal fan.
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As for Bowles having complete control of the roster, no. But he has complete control when it comes to later round picks and UDFAs. He wouldn't cut a Day 1 or Day 2 pick without some serious discussion with Licht, but he can cut a 5th round pick or later and Licht wouldn't lift an eyebrow. He didn't have anybody telling him he has to keep 12 rookies.
LOLZ...
Opining about what we know little about is what this board is for.
It's actually not, unless you don't want to be taken seriously. That appears to be what you are going for, but it's going to lead to mockery and not being taken seriously.
FTR, you're allowed to have a clue while posting.
Nobody on this board knows much about what really goes on inside OneBuc
While that may be true, there are plenty of people here who knew in January that your "guaranteed" list of players to make the roster was ludicrous, as was your assertion that this was going to be "essentially the same team" as 2022. There are people here who understand how the NFL works and then there are people like you.
But he (Bowles) has complete control when it comes to later round picks and UDFAs.
lolz, more SYPOYA. You have no idea as to what you are talking about. No reason to let that stop you, as you never have before.
