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Posted by: @white-tiger

Different QB since coming back from being benched - as evidenced by their competitive play vs the Chief's (albeit a very small sample size). Good defense, improving offense, not to mention how well Canales knows Bowles defense. Carolina looks to be finding their way.

Since Bryce Young became the stater again, the Panthers have average 21.4 PPG. Yes, that's better than average for the season, but still pretty low. And they still scored more than that on Sunday. The Panthers aren't a very good football team. I would say Canales has them playing over their talent level, while the Buccaneers are playing under theirs. How many Panther starters would be starters on the Buccaneers? Not very many.

And again, the score would have been 33 with the FG's and correct TD call. The run defense did do well, but the defense as a whole was bad on Sunday. They certainly didn't "over perform" by any sane person's standard.

 

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This game reminded me a lot of the Denver game.

Agreed. And that's not a good thing for the HC/DC.

 
Posted : Dec. 2, 2024 3:17 pm
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Posted by: @white-tiger

as evidenced by their competitive play vs the Chief's

27 against the Chiefs

23 against us

We ain't no Chiefs

Its a team sport, the offense put the defense in some terrible spots and the defense turned a couple of those tough spots into FGs

If the take away from THAT game is that the defense almost lost it for us . . . well, lol

 

 
Posted : Dec. 2, 2024 3:24 pm
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This was our defense, from the PR snap count article

 

"Injuries in the game played a factor in moving around defenders and seeing different snap numbers for others.

K.J. Britt exited the game early, putting him at just 14 snaps for the whole game. Coming in for him was J.J. Russell, who played 43 snaps and 61% while recording five tackles.

Safety Mike Edwards also left with a hamstring injury and did not return after 30 snaps and 43%, putting Tavierre Thomas into his role.

The Bucs did not dress Tyrek Funderburk and had Josh Hayes only on special teams, so Thomas was their first choice. Thomas is great on special teams but we haven’t seen him too much playing on defense. He played 29 snaps and 41%, recording three tackles."

 

So,  JJ Russell is the back up to the WORST LB in the league (Britt) . . he gives up a TD

At safety we already had Whitehead out and then Edwards gets hurt, so we go with a special teamer Tavierre Thomas.  . . .He gives up a key completion.

And Thomas is the lone choice because our prior starting CB (Funderburk) doesnt even dress and his REPLACEMENT has been relegated to special teams only

 

 

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Posted : Dec. 2, 2024 3:33 pm
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First of all the Bucs are generating pressures and they should do better to obtain sacks as Bowles mentioned by having better gap discipline. But it is hard to generate coverage sacks for example when you have DBs playing off and quarter coverage beyond the sticks.

The defensive issues for the Bucs isn't purely personnel really but also scheme and play calling.

But if you look at it purely from a player personnel stand point the Bucs should be playing more nickel and three safety looks if they feel that concerned about ILBs they have on the squad not being good enough for coverage.  That is what T. Smith was drafted to do when he return to play from his absence. 

 

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the Bucs should be playing more nickel and three safety looks if they feel that concerned about ILBs they have on the squad not being good enough for coverage.  That is what T. Smith was drafted to do when he return to play from his absence. 

I think they started in dime and then eventually Edwards goes out too, so no Smith no Edwards and no Whitehead

 
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the Bucs should be playing more nickel and three safety looks if they feel that concerned about ILBs they have on the squad not being good enough for coverage.  That is what T. Smith was drafted to do when he return to play from his absence. 

I think they started in dime and then eventually Edwards goes out too, so no Smith no Edwards and no Whitehead

I saw that and I can say that the DBs need to play with more controlled aggression.  Lynch, Barber, Robinson, Jackson would always bring the boom or be sure fire aggressive tacklers.  But they were not that reckless with their bodies for the most part.  Lynch might be the exception but overall they played with discipline and technique.  Poor technique and bad angles usually leads to increased chance of injuries for DBs.

 

 

 
Posted : Dec. 2, 2024 7:39 pm
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Def a lot of injuries but also... Terrible play calling.

The main issue with Bowles is he's predictable 

 
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the Bucs should be playing more nickel and three safety looks if they feel that concerned about ILBs they have on the squad not being good enough for coverage.  That is what T. Smith was drafted to do when he return to play from his absence. 

I think they started in dime and then eventually Edwards goes out too, so no Smith no Edwards and no Whitehead

= No dime.

 

 
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Different QB since coming back from being benched - as evidenced by their competitive play vs the Chief's (albeit a very small sample size). Good defense, improving offense, not to mention how well Canales knows Bowles defense. Carolina looks to be finding their way.

Since Bryce Young became the stater again, the Panthers have average 21.4 PPG. Yes, that's better than average for the season, but still pretty low. And they still scored more than that on Sunday. The Panthers aren't a very good football team. I would say Canales has them playing over their talent level, while the Buccaneers are playing under theirs. How many Panther starters would be starters on the Buccaneers? Not very many.

And again, the score would have been 33 with the FG's and correct TD call. The run defense did do well, but the defense as a whole was bad on Sunday. They certainly didn't "over perform" by any sane person's standard.

 

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This game reminded me a lot of the Denver game.

Agreed. And that's not a good thing for the HC/DC.

Baker sucked until the game was on the line and then he played pretty well. Coen wasn’t calling his best game either - despite what he said he didn’t call a run on several key spots (ie, when Baker came back in after the injury - and threw that terrible pick)… 

To Coen’s credit, when we started running it well, he kept with it, saved the game…before Nelly did.

Defense IS bad, but did a decent job playing bend-but/don’t break - and when they got to the RZ - held up well. To be honest, they did over-perform.

We had a bad game on several levels - the tiny QB was feeling it. It was nice to take that from him & Chubba at the end.

On to the Raduhs.

 

 
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Different QB since coming back from being benched - as evidenced by their competitive play vs the Chief's (albeit a very small sample size). Good defense, improving offense, not to mention how well Canales knows Bowles defense. Carolina looks to be finding their way.

Since Bryce Young became the stater again, the Panthers have average 21.4 PPG. Yes, that's better than average for the season, but still pretty low. And they still scored more than that on Sunday. The Panthers aren't a very good football team. I would say Canales has them playing over their talent level, while the Buccaneers are playing under theirs. How many Panther starters would be starters on the Buccaneers? Not very many.

And again, the score would have been 33 with the FG's and correct TD call. The run defense did do well, but the defense as a whole was bad on Sunday. They certainly didn't "over perform" by any sane person's standard.

 

Posted by: @white-tiger

This game reminded me a lot of the Denver game.

Agreed. And that's not a good thing for the HC/DC.

Baker sucked until the game was on the line and then he played pretty well. Coen wasn’t calling his best game either - despite what he said he didn’t call a run on several key spots (ie, when Baker came back in after the injury - and threw that terrible pick)… 

To Coen’s credit, when we started running it well, he kept with it, saved the game…before Nelly did.

Defense IS bad, but did a decent job playing bend-but/don’t break - and when they got to the RZ - held up well. To be honest, they did over-perform.

We had a bad game on several levels - the tiny QB was feeling it. It was nice to take that from him & Chubba at the end.

On to the Raduhs.

 

Hopefully the Bucs score more than enough points to offset Brock Bowers running free in the Bucs secondary.

 

 
Posted : Dec. 3, 2024 7:56 am
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Hopefully the Bucs score more than enough points to offset Brock Bowers running free in the Bucs secondary.

I would consider manning McCollum up on him all day. He's a legit thoroughbred.

 
Posted : Dec. 3, 2024 9:12 am
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Hopefully the Bucs score more than enough points to offset Brock Bowers running free in the Bucs secondary.

Maybe the Bucs do something like Biggs suggests because otherwise he is EXACTLY the kind of player to destroy the Bucs.  

 
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Drafting Devin White over Josh Allen set this defense back. We'd probably be a top 10 unit had they used common sense. 

 

Thats the thing about drafting, a miss on a PREMIUM pick has a much bigger impact than just the one missed position because the team then drafts to try to cover for the failure. 

Yesterday, we gave up a touchdown late because JJ Russell lost his man.  JJ Russell is the FOURTH back up to Devin White.  But we also lacked pressure up front and thats partly because the team reached for JTS and Hall . . .maybe not if they draft Allen.

That said, the same FO used premium picks ON OFFENSE to correctly draft Evans, Wirfs, Barton, Mauch, Goedeke and really hit on guys like Godwin and Irving.

 

Yeah man a top 5 miss is catastrophic, that draft was in 2019 and here we are headed into 2025 still looking for a JPP/Shaq replacement when we had one for the taking. Terrible foresight by Bowles/Arians to make that draft decision. Raiders passed on Allen too but they at least made up for it by scoring Maxx Crosby in the fourth round.

Agreed though on the offensive front. We've gotten great ROI on most our picks, Irving in the fourth round was a home-run. 

 

 
Posted : Dec. 3, 2024 10:38 am
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Def a lot of injuries but also... Terrible play calling.

The main issue with Bowles is he's predictable 

Yup. 

 

 
Posted : Dec. 3, 2024 11:03 am
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Hopefully the Bucs score more than enough points to offset Brock Bowers running free in the Bucs secondary.

I would consider manning McCollum up on him all day. He's a legit thoroughbred.

Winfield shadow all game. McCollum om Jakobi. 

The rest of their weapons are dog shit. This is a game where the blitz can work well imo

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