Unpopular opinion but Evans is easy to take away
i asked about Godwin and the saw this from SR:
”Godwin is entering a contract year and has lost some of the explosiveness he had prior to his knee injury in 2021. He has better, more reliable hands than Evans does, but is not nearly as dynamic and doesn’t produce nearly as many touchdowns.”
I would say get the tightends more involved as well as get Baker out of there and put in Trask, Baker is not on with his timing routes and seems after week he's getting it down but still not hitting the deep ball. His appearance to keep throwing it down the throat of the defense to give the time after time interceptions is beyond reason as well as his rollouts because he can't throw over the Defensive lines head?
Canales is a first year Offensive head coach and is working through the conundrums of being such. He is just getting to figure out what he has in front of him. No man Coaching can take a one year team and hit the promise land.
Lol the route concepts are not borderline elite.
Lol. You have proven TIME AND TIME again, you have no idea what you're talking about...
but he's allergic to running quick concepts like slants, rubs, and crossers
...case in point. He's ran plenty of them. Unfortunately, our QB hasn't done a good job of hitting the wide open receivers it creates.
You're seriously gonna deny that he takes way too long to get the ball to our best players? He's been finding touches for fucking KEYSHAWN VAUGHN ffs...
He's also been finding touches
I see him calling plays that an elite QB would destroy it here. Baker isn't elite...he's average and too short.
for Mike Evans ffs...and Godwin ffs...etc.
AGAIN, our starting QB, who's on his 4th team in 6 years has a hard time of seeing them. Literally and figuratively.
I see him calling plays that an elite QB would destroy it here. Baker isn't elite...he's average and too short.
Thanks for FINALLY noticing the problem, kiddo.
I want to see White target 5 times in the passing game, 2 of which are screens.
Evans 10-15 targets
Godwin 8-12 targets
Palmer 3-5 targets
Thompkins - 0-2 targets
So, you want an offense that features Baker fucking Mayfield to throw the ball nearly 40 times per game.
I mean, that should work out fine...
Baker isn't elite...he's average and too short.
...Oh...yeah....
The Bucs are probably running around 60 some odd offensive plays a game. 40 pass plays out of 60 is last years offense …
minus Brady
its asking a journeyman QB to do better than the GOAT QB
Evans and Godwin should get 10 targets per game period.
There have been dozens and dozens of plays (very conservative estimate) for each of these players where they were open, but the QB didn’t throw their way. For some reason, you’re putting that on the OC. That’s now how this thing works.
Case and point from a few weeks ago, when Mayfield threw to the RB in the flat with a defender on his back on 3rd-and-long instead of the open WR for a first down - you said the OC was “drawing up plays for Vaughn.” That play pretty obviously wasn’t drawn up to go to the RB in the flat, but that was your gameday thread analysis. The RB was the check-down option, not the first read. But that “drawing up plays for Vaughn” nonsense is the kind of analysis you’ve been loudly bringing, and it’s simply wrong. Unfortunately this is just one example of many.
I want to see White target 5 times in the passing game, 2 of which are screens.
Evans 10-15 targets
Godwin 8-12 targets
Palmer 3-5 targets
Thompkins - 0-2 targets
So, you want an offense that features Baker fucking Mayfield to throw the ball nearly 40 times per game.
I mean, that should work out fine...
Baker isn't elite...he's average and too short.
...Oh...yeah....
Math must be hard for you.
This is 21 on the low end. The floor is what I'm interested in. I'm not expecting 15 looks for Evans unless he's on fire.
You love this shit on Baker, and defend Canales... but you get your panties in a wad when I shit on Canales and lightly defend Baker.
The way you talk, you'd think Baker is the sole issue. Because that's the story you've attached yourself to. The reality is he's playing BETTER than we expected. We knew he wasn't gonna come in and be elite.
Why? Because Canales cannot generate a decent run game. And that's partially due to our line constructed by Licht... but just as much, if not more... it's Canales play calling. His run game is sooooo predictable and vanilla that when we ran the RPO I just about spit out my sandwich. His run plays are throw away... he's just doing it to be balanced, and there's no success. (He's also not being helped by or rbs inexcusably improv).
I like a lot of his route trees but situationally I can't stand them.
He also loves to throw away 2nd down with a run, after 1st and 10.
Bottom line (since I'm ranting):
He has Baker. He knows he has Baker. He isn't playing to Baker's strength. He's falling plays like he has Drew Brees. These throws are not easy (and Baker is limited as we've discussed).
You think Baker is making Canales look bad but in reality Canales hasn't figured out how to pitch a complete game. Good in stretches... and has potential with a better roster and QB. But right now he's just not producing at a winning rate
The way you talk, you'd think Baker is the sole issue. Because that's the story you've attached yourself to. The reality is he's playing BETTER than we expected. We knew he wasn't gonna come in and be elite.
Why? Because Canales cannot generate a decent run game. And that's partially due to our line constructed by Licht... but just as much, if not more... it's Canales play calling. His run game is sooooo predictable and vanilla that when we ran the RPO I just about spit out my sandwich. His run plays are throw away... he's just doing it to be balanced, and there's no success. (He's also not being helped by or rbs inexcusably improv).
I like a lot of his route trees but situationally I can't stand them.
He also loves to throw away 2nd down with a run, after 1st and 10.
Bottom line (since I'm ranting):
He has Baker. He knows he has Baker. He isn't playing to Baker's strength. He's falling plays like he has Drew Brees. These throws are not easy (and Baker is limited as we've discussed).
You think Baker is making Canales look bad but in reality Canales hasn't figured out how to pitch a complete game. Good in stretches... and has potential with a better roster and QB. But right now he's just not producing at a winning rate
There's a couple of problems with your analysis. First, Baker isn't playing better than expected. It just looks like it because he hasn't been throwing a ton of pics, though he does have close to a dozen dropped INT's this year. He's also managing to keep a high percentage and high rating because he's playing Captain Checkdown and not turning it over much. The reality is that he's throwing 1.5 TD's per game. That's bad. He's averaging a pedestrian 239 yards per game with only one game going over 300 yards (Bears). He has 5 games with a QBR below 50. Half is games have been in the poor category. It's only because he's only been picked off 6 times that he "looks" better most expected him to continue being the turnover machine he's always been.
Second, if Canales only ran plays that fit Baker's best skills, we'd be 3 and out all the time because he's not good at the intermediate or deep level. It would be nothing but short passes and 1st downs would only come about due to YAC from breaking tackles.
Now, the running on 2nd and 10 drives me nuts as well, but I have a feeling that's more playing to what Bowles wants. Regardless, he's doing this for the first time and his sequencing has gotten better over the last few games and will likely continue to improve. Baker, however, won't. Oh, and FYI, 2020 and 2021 are proof you don't need a strong running game to win. Just the ability to occasionally get a good run here and there and keeping the defense honest.
The way you talk, you'd think Baker is the sole issue. Because that's the story you've attached yourself to. The reality is he's playing BETTER than we expected. We knew he wasn't gonna come in and be elite.
Why? Because Canales cannot generate a decent run game. And that's partially due to our line constructed by Licht... but just as much, if not more... it's Canales play calling. His run game is sooooo predictable and vanilla that when we ran the RPO I just about spit out my sandwich. His run plays are throw away... he's just doing it to be balanced, and there's no success. (He's also not being helped by or rbs inexcusably improv).
I like a lot of his route trees but situationally I can't stand them.
He also loves to throw away 2nd down with a run, after 1st and 10.
Bottom line (since I'm ranting):
He has Baker. He knows he has Baker. He isn't playing to Baker's strength. He's falling plays like he has Drew Brees. These throws are not easy (and Baker is limited as we've discussed).
You think Baker is making Canales look bad but in reality Canales hasn't figured out how to pitch a complete game. Good in stretches... and has potential with a better roster and QB. But right now he's just not producing at a winning rate
There's a couple of problems with your analysis. First, Baker isn't playing better than expected. It just looks like it because he hasn't been throwing a ton of pics, though he does have close to a dozen dropped INT's this year. He's also managing to keep a high percentage and high rating because he's playing Captain Checkdown and not turning it over much. The reality is that he's throwing 1.5 TD's per game. That's bad. He's averaging a pedestrian 239 yards per game with only one game going over 300 yards (Bears). He has 5 games with a QBR below 50. Half is games have been in the poor category. It's only because he's only been picked off 6 times that he "looks" better most expected him to continue being the turnover machine he's always been.
Second, if Canales only ran plays that fit Baker's best skills, we'd be 3 and out all the time because he's not good at the intermediate or deep level. It would be nothing but short passes and 1st downs would only come about due to YAC from breaking tackles.
Now, the running on 2nd and 10 drives me nuts as well, but I have a feeling that's more playing to what Bowles wants. Regardless, he's doing this for the first time and his sequencing has gotten better over the last few games and will likely continue to improve. Baker, however, won't. Oh, and FYI, 2020 and 2021 are proof you don't need a strong running game to win. Just the ability to occasionally get a good run here and there and keeping the defense honest.
Oh cmon he's def playing better than we expected. He's been pretty good in the clutch too. He's def whiffed on some throws and left points on the board - no argument here. His deep ball reminds me of Winston. STOP OVERTHROWING, refs reward underthrow with PI anyway.
He had that Texans game sealed and played great in the clutch.
How many dropped TDs has he had this year? At least 6 by my count.
Also the dropped picks so maybe that's a wash? Dunno...
Baker is best when he plays decisive. Bowles is asking him to limit turnovers so of course he's averaging 1.5 TDs/game.
He isn't the issue. He isn't the solution. He's playing well for a gap fill year and getting paid 4m.
What more did you expect? Evans having a great year too despite being ignored at times and dropping too many balls.
Baker is fine... not great, but fine. Canales is fine. Not great, but fine.
Canales called a game that the Buccaneers could win with, the players did not execute the plays. Dropped TD passes, and remember Jarrett being wide open on that first drive and it being incomplete? Yeah.
And to those who keep blaming Canales, why the guy isn't perfect and still working at it, the all-22 will show us having guys open on many of the plays that Mayfield failed to do anything with, or when he threw into coverage.
Same story every week.
It's egregious.
Yep. It seems like he's always playing sandlot ball out there. I still think his height is part of the issue, but, at this point, I really don't give a shit what is causing the problem. It clearly can't be fixed. His ceiling is what it is, and he's not franchise QB material. While Canales doesn't always sequence plays the best (it is a learning process), he's getting receivers open all the time and the QB is failing to do anything with it because of his reads, or lack thereof.
What's worse is that Trask was KNOWN for his ability to read defenses pre and post snap in college. It was noticeable too me on the first drive he played after Franks got injured against Kentucky. Now translating that to the NFL requires time as NFL defenses do a lot more disguising and have all kinds of tricks to confuse the reads, but we may never know if Trask could fully translate that skill to the NFL. At the end of the day, we're going to end up fully wasting the pick and starting over with a full blown rookie QB, setting us back another year. This year could have been the start of a new era, or not, but Mayfield was NEVER going to be the answer, and Licht should have known that from the start and never entertained bringing Mayfield in. He doesn't even sell tickets, which is one of the lame reasons I've heard for bringing him here.
I'm so frustrated with all of this. Just want to go outside and scream. Don't want to deal with the likely 911 response, though.
Trask was never going to be the answer, it was a wasted pick from the start.
There's a couple of problems with your analysis. First, Baker isn't playing better than expected. It just looks like it because he hasn't been throwing a ton of pics, though he does have close to a dozen dropped INT's this year. He's also managing to keep a high percentage and high rating because he's playing Captain Checkdown and not turning it over much.
this is where the breakdown gets a bit weird because you're critical of Canales' offense but implying here that Baker isnt playing that good because he's missing opportunities ("Captain Checkdown")? But, those those missed opportunities would be a product of Canales' offense, right?
So either Baker is doing the right thing by checking down because they are not there or he's doing the wrong thing because they are there. Which one?
I dont think its anywhere near that complicated. Canales has a good offense but its currently mismatched with existing personnel (and a defense that is NOT performing as all had hoped)
Canales and Baker are a marriage of inconsistency
Canales and Baker are a marriage of inconsistency
haha.
That sort of the "its both of their faults" position.
It may be but I think its that you dont like the run game even though its integral to the offense
Canales and Baker are a marriage of inconsistency
This analysis of the second drive seems to undercut your gripes with Canales
https://www.pewterreport.com/bucs-second-drive-49ers-too-much-good-thing/
