Nobody in the NFL thinks that Trask can play and win. Quit being a Trask honk. He is much closer to Brody Croyle than someone like Minshew.
Nobody thought Brady could play either, along with another dozen QB's I can name. If it was even remotely easy to tell how a QB will play, there wouldn't be so many busts at the position. But hey, keep on believing that idiot.
How many of the “bench Mayfield now for Trask” crowd are Gators who called Noles loons for their insane support of Winston?
As I have said to many before, my college team has no bearing on why I think Trask should play. It had no bearing on why I hated this franchise drafting Jameis, as that was more about two issues: 1) his bad behavior, which he continued briefly in the crotch grabbing incident, and 2) the fact that he was a turnover machine in college when facing pro-style defenses. I knew he'd be a turnover machine and said so repeatedly. The fact he was a Nole had ZERO bearing on either. My favorite Buc of all time is Mr. Derrick Brooks (loved that commercial). I lose the college loyalty when it comes to the NFL. I just want the better player playing, and while the defense may be an issue, we score 7 points in 3 quarters last week and that has been an on-going issue. And it's not due to the offensive play calls (mostly, though some drives have been killed by dumb calls). It's mostly been the problem that I and others have stated: A failure to take advantage of the open receivers beyond 15 yards and panicking under pressure at times.
As I have said to many before, my college team has no bearing on why I think Trask should play.
uh . . . I mean, okay?
Hasnt your entire point been that FROM WATCHING TRASK (because he's your college team) PLAY FOR THE GATORS you think he is BETTER than Mayfield?
I don't believe he's better because I'm a Gator fan, which is the point. I drop college loyalties when it comes to my NFL team. You seem to be making the point that I only want to see him BECAUSE I'm a Gator fan. Nope. If we had drafted Franks I would have been pissed. Most QB's coming out of UF just haven't been NFL material. Trask, however, showed the one ability Mayfield seems to lack, which is keeping his eyes down field while manipulating the safety and knowing where the open receiver should be. Saw it constantly at UF. Saw it in the preseason, though, we often failed to get guys open when he was playing, since he usually had the 4th through 8th string receivers.
And, at the end of the day, I believe he MAY be better, but he needs to see the field with the starters to see if he is or is not. And we need to find out, because if we give up the next Super Bowl winning QB by letting him go after next year, having never gotten him on the field, and draft another young QB that may or may not work out, I'll be pissed. I've seen the Bucs go through this cycle way too much over the years. The trading of Young is probably the one that chaps my ass the most. You don't know what you have until you give them a sufficient chance to be successful and let the play on the field, not by judging from practice.
You seem to be making the point that I only want to see him BECAUSE I'm a Gator fan
Not at all
I am just saying that IN THE REAL WORKD it’s very unlikely that an NFL team in a playoff hunt and with a HC fighting for his job would actually move away from a veteran QB playing well enough to win to a first-time NFL starter.
most people expressing that desire here are Gator fans.
maybe that’s coincidence.
Mayfield is far from perfect and Trask might be great but at this moment Mayfield has the offense competing. If anything the defense is the problem.
And, at the end of the day, I believe he MAY be better
If this is what you believe - Trask MAY be better - then it should be obvious that the Bucs don’t move away from Mayfield AT THIS MOMENT just to find out
we have Gator fans here who claim to have high football acumen (lol) saying that Licht should step in NOW.
lmao. Absurd
I get what you are saying, but Mayfield isn't doing enough for the playoffs. They've scored more than 20 points just 3 times. If Bowles wants to get fired at the end of the season, then he'll keep going. It's just that simple. I know if I was the owner, I would be pissed at the current situation. They have a 2nd round pick invested in a guy that looked good in preseason, but you (Todd) said Mayfield was better and what am I getting out of this? A team that struggles to score 20 points or more and can't sell tickets? And a team that's going to get roasted in the playoffs, assuming we make it? I can only imagine what the Glazers are thinking right now.
And, at the end of the day, I believe he MAY be better
If this is what you believe - Trask MAY be better - then it should be obvious that the Bucs don’t move away from Mayfield AT THIS MOMENT just to find out
we have Gator fans here who claim to have high football acumen (lol) saying that Licht should step in NOW.
lmao. Absurd
How many more games would the Bucs have to lose before you are willing to admit that the Bucs need a QB change? Lets say the Bucs lose the next 3 games at Indy, home to Carolina and away at Atlanta? Would that be enough?
And, at the end of the day, I believe he MAY be better
If this is what you believe - Trask MAY be better - then it should be obvious that the Bucs don’t move away from Mayfield AT THIS MOMENT just to find out
we have Gator fans here who claim to have high football acumen (lol) saying that Licht should step in NOW.
lmao. Absurd
How many more games would the Bucs have to lose before you are willing to admit that the Bucs need a QB change? Lets say the Bucs lose the next 3 games at Indy, home to Carolina and away at Atlanta? Would that be enough?
admit they need a QB change? I am not saying Mayfield is an All-Pro I am just saying the circumstances say they will not make a change to Trask until they are out of it or Mayfield maybe blows up or is injured.
It’s weird to have to defend reality.
Outside assessment of Mayfield
"Baker Mayfield has exceeded expectations. It's not that the ex-Browns and Panthers castoff has been a world-beater. But he's mostly controlled the ball while still attacking superior foes, enabling the Bucs to hang around in a post-Tom Brady world."
pretty fair
If Bowles wants to get fired at the end of the season, then he'll keep going. It's just that simple.
And, hopefully, that's the end result.
Outlines what we've been debating with targets. Canales says explicitly there aren't 15 targets for Evans in this offense.
Also Godwin moved out of the slot to protect from injuries.
Outlines what we've been debating with targets. Canales says explicitly there aren't 15 targets for Evans in this offense.
Also Godwin moved out of the slot to protect from injuries.
Evans is still inside the Top-20 for targets and that's with nearly 25% of the other leaders not yet having a bye week.
That's also not factoring in how many times Mike has been wide open and Baker simply doesn't see the progression, or doesn't throw the ball.
Funny though how Stroud the Clown mentions the loss of Gage being so big and that nobody has stepped up in the #3 role. Because nobody can get open like Gage.
If Baker was even mediocre at throwing the deep ball, Gage would have 500+ yards receiving and 7+ TD's so far this year.
Canales says explicitly there aren't 15 targets for Evans in this offense.
Evans is not a 6' 1" feature WR, he's a dagger or the EXPLOSIVE in the offense. He is a freak athlete who closes straight lines quickly and his role is USUALLY the beneficiary of effective running and punishing a team into the defense the Bucs want. I think when you take the full article into account his comments make sense ESPECIALLY because you now see it two years in a row . . . two very different offense . . . two very different coordinators.
The thing that has NOT changed? Its referenced right in the article . .. the UNDERNEATH threat that brings the defense forward (what Evans needs). In fact, we took part of that away with Godwin moving more outside (health reason). The article focuses on Gage (especially with Godwin outside) but its really the run game and TEs. The only thing really working in the aspect of the offense is the screen game.
By the way, the 49ers destroyed the Seahawks yesterday. Waldron called roughly 60% pass . . a lot iof that in this game is score driven because they were down two scores BUT we tried that last year and the GOAT couldn't get Evans the ball (because defenses dropped 2 deep all the time).
Canales is trying to change that and I think will/would WITH better players. The offense works
One thing that Arians/Leftwich had right was the role for Godwin BUT it sounds like he is outside now in part to protect him from the beating he took in the Arians offense. Didn't know that, but it makes sense.
Btw, I am sure one of the analytics types here would mention this, ESPECIALLY as it relates to Evans:
"NFL offenses lack explosion in 2023
New defensive schemes have slowed down offensive efficiency.
They have also tremendously reduced explosive plays.
Rate of 20+ yard gains of all plays by year, Weeks 1-6:
- 2023: 5.6%
- 2022: 5.9%
- 2021: 6.3%
- 2020: 5.9%
- 2019: 6.3%
- 2018: 6.5%
We haven’t seen an explosive play rate lower than 5.6% since before the 2010 rules changes, way back in 2009.
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NFL Red Zone Trips and Efficiency in 2023
With a lack of per-play efficiency coupled with a lack of explosion, we are naturally also seeing fewer trips to the red zone.
The percentage of drives to reach the red zone or score prior is a great statistic to demonstrate this.
Percentage of drives to reach the red zone or score prior by year, Weeks 1-6:
- 2023: 48.3%
- 2022: 48.8%
- 2021: 53.1%
- 2020: 53.0%
- 2019: 53.0%
- 2018: 54.55%
It’s a huge difference.
In fact, the 48.3% rate of drives to reach the red zone or score before in 2023 is the lowest we’ve seen in the history of TruMedia data (dating back to 2000).
That’s how bad things are for NFL offenses right now.
The average from 2000-2021 was 52.1%.
In the last two years compared to the prior several, where we’ve noticed the sharpest decline in red zone passing:
- Defenses are playing less man coverage
- Defenses are playing more two-high safeties
- Defenses are zone blitzing a lot more
Zone coverage in the red zone has been better for defenses to utilize than man coverage for several years now."
ITS NOT COINCIDENCE (OR PLAY CALLING) THAT EVANS IMPACT HAS DIMINISHED
JUST COMPARE ALL OF LAST YEAR'S GAMES TO ONE GAME (THE PANTTHERS GAME). A
ln most of those games were two high safeties and zone dropping back (or some version of it)
one game (Panthers) has a coach decide to cover Evans in man, single high safety.
Evans torched them
the coach was fired
Evans is awesome, but he's Evans . . not Adams or Kupp. Thats more Godwin, but hes hurt I guess
