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Posted by: @kermit56

I'm hoping for a victory, but I don't see how anyone can say this is a winnable game after watching our offense the last couple of games. Good golly, even against a banged up Philly D we are going to need to score more than the 22 points combined we put up the last couple of games...

The offense has been pathetic.

 

 

 
Posted : Jan. 10, 2024 5:47 pm
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Posted by: @bucballa85

If they lose badly hopefully Bowles is canned. Feel like this should be a winnable game. 

 

unfortunately Bowles isn't going anywhere

1. Bucs over/under was 6.5 wins and they exceeded

2. They had a winning record and has secured back to back division titles, there would be severe push back given Bowles demographic.  Think back to Brian Flores with the Dolphins.  

3. They didnt give a shit this year, threw a hail mary at signing Baker, ate $75M of dead cap space deciding to take all Brady $35M in one year instead of spreading out, had a bunch of rookies on the team to fill out the roster.

4.  Bowles has 3 years left on his contract

5. Bucs picking 19th or later.  About 5-10 teams ahead of them could use a QB, would not be surprised if the top 5 were gone by pick 19 so the "new coach, new franchise QB" alure is not there for a high quality coaching candidate.

 

i'd say it's 97% chance he remains even with a 31-13 ass kicking.  I leave 3% for the Bill Belichick angle or  Mike Tomlin or something like that if there were to be mutual interest. 

EDIT:  How could i forget.  they won 5 of 6 to close the year.  talk about trending in right direction 

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Posted : Jan. 10, 2024 5:56 pm
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Posted by: @detrimental

Yeah their run defense has taken a step back. It looks like Jordan Davis is out of shape and Cox is starting to wear down. I still don't trust our iOL to hold up because the Eagles are just more talented individually up front. They got backup DT's like Milton Williams that can make plays. 

And a guy named Jalen Carter. 

 

 
Posted : Jan. 10, 2024 9:14 pm
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Posted by: @detrimental

Yeah their run defense has taken a step back.

This is why I feel it's setting up perfectly for the type of game Bowles salivates over. 

Here's the rushing yardages they've given up in their last 6 games:

146 yards - SF (L)

138 yards - DAL (L)

100 yards - SEA (L)

106 yards - NYG (W)

221 yards - ARI (L..as in LOL)

109 yards - NYG (L)

Prior to those games, they had given up 173 and 168 on the ground to Buffalo and KC.

So, I would expect the offensive gameplan Bowles will want implemented, will be extremely run-heavy. 

Wouldn't shock me at all to see 32-38 carries between White and Edmonds (with Baker at under 30 passing attempts). 

 

 

 
Posted : Jan. 11, 2024 11:21 am
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Last time we had what seemed like a surefire RUN RUN RUN type game (Packers) Canales called a 60/40 pass/run game EVEN WITH A LEAD MOST OF THE GAME. Lol, tricky!

 

Zero doubt that Dave "in my heart of hearts, you know, I'd love to just run it and run them out of the stadium" Canales would prefer to run it down their throats. He may very well try to do just that. I dont know that the Eagles have the same type of pass D weakness that Canales exploited against the Packers, but the best thing for the Bucs either way would be to do the thing they seem to struggle with and that is to get out to an early LEAD.

 

An early lead would help on so many fronts - open the O play book, set up run & explosives, let the D hunt, demoralize a crumbling Eagles -- but overall we don't seem to be able to truly kill a team early, at least not consistently 

 
Posted : Jan. 11, 2024 12:38 pm
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This helps:

 

"The Eagles defense allowed a third down conversion rate of 46% on third and 10+ yards to go in the last 4 weeks of the regular season, worst in NFL; League Avg: 19"

 
Posted : Jan. 11, 2024 12:45 pm
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Posted by: @detrimental

Yeah their run defense has taken a step back.

This is why I feel it's setting up perfectly for the type of game Bowles salivates over. 

Here's the rushing yardages they've given up in their last 6 games:

146 yards - SF (L)

138 yards - DAL (L)

100 yards - SEA (L)

106 yards - NYG (W)

221 yards - ARI (L..as in LOL)

109 yards - NYG (L)

Prior to those games, they had given up 173 and 168 on the ground to Buffalo and KC.

So, I would expect the offensive gameplan Bowles will want implemented, will be extremely run-heavy. 

Wouldn't shock me at all to see 32-38 carries between White and Edmonds (with Baker at under 30 passing attempts). 

 

 

However, one thing to consider is the Eagles have given up more passing yards than the Bucs (believe it or not). What with the Eagles' latest struggles, if our D can contain their run game, I think the game will be competitive to tell you the truth.

 

 
Posted : Jan. 11, 2024 1:34 pm
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Posted by: @kermit56

However, one thing to consider is the Eagles have given up more passing yards than the Bucs (believe it or not). What with the Eagles' latest struggles, if our D can contain their run game, I think the game will be competitive to tell you the truth.

True.

But, as I said, this is a "wet dream" scenario for Bowles (who's MO is to run, run, run, let the defense win it).

The way the Eagles secondary has been playing, this should be a great matchup for Mike "Not a Real #1 WR and One That The Offense Doesn't Flow Through" Evans and Godwin. 

I definitely agree with you on the Bucs D. 

With Hurts, Brown, and Smith banged up; I would sell out on the run and make Jalen beat us with his arm. 

 
Posted : Jan. 11, 2024 2:15 pm
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Posted by: @detrimental

Yeah their run defense has taken a step back.

This is why I feel it's setting up perfectly for the type of game Bowles salivates over. 

Here's the rushing yardages they've given up in their last 6 games:

146 yards - SF (L)

138 yards - DAL (L)

100 yards - SEA (L)

106 yards - NYG (W)

221 yards - ARI (L..as in LOL)

109 yards - NYG (L)

Prior to those games, they had given up 173 and 168 on the ground to Buffalo and KC.

So, I would expect the offensive gameplan Bowles will want implemented, will be extremely run-heavy. 

Wouldn't shock me at all to see 32-38 carries between White and Edmonds (with Baker at under 30 passing attempts). 

 

 

However, one thing to consider is the Eagles have given up more passing yards than the Bucs (believe it or not). What with the Eagles' latest struggles, if our D can contain their run game, I think the game will be competitive to tell you the truth.

 

I think you're right especially about the part in bold

There are a few tweets from Baldinger basically arguing that the Eagles could destroy us by simply running the ball like they did last time.  The tweets have videos from the last game and its incredible how much they were blowing us off the ball. Like watching men playing against kids.

 

 
Posted : Jan. 11, 2024 3:37 pm
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Posted by: @bucsbits

The tweets have videos from the last game and its incredible how much they were blowing us off the ball.

I can't remember. Was Vea playing that game?

 

 
Posted : Jan. 11, 2024 4:13 pm
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Posted by: @bucsbits

The tweets have videos from the last game and its incredible how much they were blowing us off the ball.

I can't remember. Was Vea playing that game?

 

Yeah but Kancey didn't play because he was still rehabbing.

 

 
Posted : Jan. 11, 2024 4:40 pm
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Unfortunately I think you're right. He won't get fired. And you are right that he has done a pretty good job this year I just feel like we can do better. We have had worse before tho as well. I'd be happily shocked if this team went farther than I think they're capable of. This year has been more fun of a team to watch than last years team. Still some things about this team needs to be better and hope they can build on it next year. With right moves they can get the division again. It's not that great of a division. They just need to get stronger up front on both sides of the ball and help the secondary out a little bit too. Hopefully Mike doesn't leave. They got good pieces here just need to build on it with right decisions. 

 
Posted : Jan. 11, 2024 5:47 pm
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I took Bucs +3

I believe 

 
Posted : Jan. 11, 2024 8:12 pm
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Posted by: @seekpar

Shannon Sharpe stole my line! Somewhere on here within the past couple of weeks I said the Eagles should just run the Tush Push every play.

Shannon on First Take yesterday morning: "I just recommend they just line up in the Tush Push from start to finish; first down, second down, third down, and just run that. Because that seems to be the only thing that works consistently guys."

 

That would set up the pass play.

 

 
Posted : Jan. 11, 2024 10:57 pm
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Posted by: @bucballa85

I just feel like we can do better

I think this is the prevailing feeling on the boards and a fair one. It certainly fair to question whether Bowles can make this team even better.

There are several analysts who say a bad loss and Bowles is still out.

And a bad loss is certainly in the realm of possibilities.  So is a great win, which, I think, brings us back to the uncertainty over Bowles . . and Mayfield.

 

 

Next year, even with Bowles as the HC . .the team will likely undergo some substantial changes (if the cap allows). Happy to watch it play out, hopefully with Canales still in the mix. Unless the Bucs are promoting Canales to HC, we probably need Bowles back to keep Canales.

 

 
Posted : Jan. 12, 2024 9:08 am
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