This person did not watch SEA in 2022.
It’s pretty obvious. Not that it would matter though. The dumb bastard watched the Bucs all year and still defended the OC ad nauseam, while blaming the defense. He’s painfully clueless.
Pete Carroll is 2022
Brain surgeons attack or comfort cuddle because… football ego ouchies?
Regarding the ground and pound style offense. Sadly, I just dont think its a viable strategy in todays NFL. Having a strong aerial attack is the most effective and efficient way to move the ball up and down the field. A run game is necessary to keep defenses honest and in short yardage and red zone situation, but between the 20's you have to make plays through the air.
Well a little quick background on what happened with SEA can shed light on what the Bucs will do.
The reason why SEA dumped RW was because not only was he older and his contract a big weight on the franchise. But when teams started to play more cover 2 the 2020 and 2021 seasons respectively Seahawks had a hard time adjusting because RW refused to adjust. Carroll hinted at several press conferences that you have to run the ball when teams are running cover 2 and force the safety to come down. But also be able to work the short passing game down the seam or crossers which is the middle of the field which is RW big weakness as we just saw with the 2022 Denver Broncos. The Seahawks were not the only team to see more cover 2 in 2020 and 2021 as that happened with the Chiefs and Bucs. But Mahomes and Brady both showed they could adjust and the Chiefs and Bucs of 2021 season still were prolific offenses through the air but they did sprinkle in enough of the run to keep defenses honest. Well fast forward to 2022 and the Bucs offense stalled because they could not be efficient or effective running the ball and the pass offense also suffered as defenses couldn't be kept honest. Meanwhile the 2022 Chiefs were a strong offense which helped them reach the SB and win it all.
It is not that Carroll is a run first coach just because he is a defensive coach. His philosophy is that you have to be able to run the ball if a defense is sitting back in zone and you have to be able to throw the deep ball when there are 8 in the box. That is why P. Carroll still has players like Lockett and Metcalf on the roster. So on this point I can understand what Bowles was trying to point out throughout the year. You have to be able to the run ball effectively regardless if it is 15 carries per game or 30+. Your run game should be around 4.0 YPC or more to really augment a passing offense.
Time will tell if the Bucs are run first or a more balanced offense but I do not see a pass happy offense with the current personnel unless the Bucs nab a veteran QB or they ask Trask to sling the ball around ala Geno. But that requires Trask to be able to read pre snap looks like Geno Smith did and that is not easy for a young player. Also, Geno Smith is an old man now and had the opportunity to sit and learn form E. Manning, Rivers and Wilson and how they conduct themselves. Trask at least has watched Brady for the last two seasons so that is something to hang your hat on but his processing speed pre snap needs to be quick for a passing onslaught to develop again in TB. But to help the new QB or Trask the Bucs run game has to be much, much better.
This person did not watch SEA in 2022.
It’s pretty obvious. Not that it would matter though. The dumb bastard watched the Bucs all year and still defended the OC ad nauseam, while blaming the defense. He’s painfully clueless.
What's funny, is that comment wasn't directed at him. It was simply me quoting a tweet.
But, might as well apply.
What's more comical, is the whole exchange started with him claiming our new OC would be as "predictable" as our last one. He even made the reference of "literally".
The latest straw man from our resident low football IQ hack? That we're against running the football (when in reality, we've simply bashed our last OC for lacking creativity in the run game and for being ridiculously predictable).
A simple Google search of Ken Walker highlights will bring a number of videos.
The first 5 runs from the first video that popped up in the search, showed 5 different 10+ runs being run from:
- 5 different (and distinct) run plays/schemes
- 4 different formations
But, I digress...
We're arguing with the same ilk that thinks "you can't run PA effectively unless you run the ball well" and "Lefty wasn't the problem".
But when teams started to play more cover 2 the 2020 and 2021 seasons respectively Seahawks had a hard time adjusting because RW refused to adjust.
Lol. You're just making stuff up.
RW 2020 - 4,200+ yards, 40 TD's / 13 INT's, and a 105.1 QB rating
RW 2021 - 3,100+ yards, 25 TD's / 6 INT's and a 103.1 QB rating (season marred with injuries, including multiple missed games)
But also be able to work the short passing game down the seam or crossers which is the middle of the field which is RW big weakness as we just saw with the 2022 Denver Broncos.
AGAIN. You're just making stuff up.
Wilson was one of the best in the business working crossing routes, isolated go's, slants, etc. with Lockett and Metcalf.
Also, you claim working the middle of the field is RW's "big weakness"?
2016
- Passer Rating to +10 middle of the field - 98.2 (League Average - 94.1)
- Passer Rating to +20 middle of the field - 92.8 (League Average - 95.8)
- Passer Rating beyond +20 middle of the field - 154.4 (League Average - 77.9)
2017 - 2018
- Passer Rating to +10 middle of the field - 103.2 (League Average - 89.1)
- Passer Rating to +20 middle of the field - 115.4 (League Average - 92.9)
- Passer Rating to beyond +20 middle of the field - 109.3 (League Average - 89.4)
2019
- Passer Rating to +10 middle of the field - 116.8 (League Average - 88.9)
- Passer Rating to +20 middle of the field - 108.0 (League Average - 91.3)
- Passer Rating to beyond +20 middle of the field - 116.0 (League Average - 87.6)
2020
- Passer Rating to +10 middle of the field - 109.0 (League Average - 89.7)
- Passer Rating to +20 middle of the field - 102.9 (League Average - 90.2)
- Passer Rating to beyond +20 middle of the field - 81.9 (League Average - 86.1)
And, his 2021 splits showed a similar trend.
Essentially, he was borderline elite working the middle of the field.
Lmao. The only thing funnier than this quote is the circle jerk before it
“His philosophy is that you have to be able to run the ball if a defense is sitting back in zone”
lol. Bucs 2022
Carrolls philosophy on offense (like Bowles’ philosophy on offense) is actually the best approach when you have a young inexperience QB and marginal talent
The Buccaneers of 2022 could not run the ball and we’re missing Gronk and Godwin for much of the season
“Carroll hinted at several press conferences that you have to run the ball when teams are running cover 2 and force the safety to come down. But also be able to work the short passing game down the seam or crossers which is the middle of the field”
not coincidentally big drop off in production from Mike Evans.
when Evans comes alive against the Panthers where are the safeties? Are they in 2 deep zone?
FOOTBALL IS A PRETTY SIMPLE GAME
PETE CARROLL THOUGHT THE BUCS WERE ONE DIMENSIONAL… because they were…
SO HE HEALTHY SCRATCHED A RUN STUFFER
WE RAN IT DOWN THEIR THROATS
Run & pass are connected together as is defense.
stats in the NFL are more a function of the game play out then a sign of strategy
look at Geno Smith stats. Who did he throw to most and when? Is that the offense or the CIRCUMSTANCES?
both?
FOOTBALL IS A PRETTY SIMPLE GAME
And yet it still mystifies your dumb ass.
Go scour the internet some more.
FOOTBALL IS A PRETTY SIMPLE GAME
And yet it still mystifies your dumb ass.
Go scour the internet some more.
Buggsy, this thread and most threads you're involved in speak for themselves in terms of your INSECURITY and stupidity. I just love that you've dragged DH down with you.
This is Carroll discussing a nine season chart of Seahawks offense
"“Let’s go back, let me answer your question,” Carroll said after our conversation had gone in a couple of different directions. He pointed on the chart to Seattle’s 2013 and 2014 Super Bowl seasons, when the team leaned heavily toward the run but not as heavily as last season. Carroll suggested that is where the Seahawks would prefer to be, closer to 40-45 percent pass in those neutral situations."
From 2010 to 2018 the average NFL team PASSED about 50-52% on true neutral downs while Carroll's Seahawks were around 42%. So taht quote above is when the Seahawks were roughly 35% and so hes saying hed like to see them pass more to get back to 42% LMAO
That quote is from an article that includes THIS:
Seahawks are a major outlier
Oates, like the analytics community today, increasingly saw football as a race for the lead. This was because, in a league designed for parity, teams that scored first won 60 to 70 percent of the time, depending on whether they scored field goals or touchdowns. That advantage endures. Passing is the fastest way to score, so why not pass more in the early going?
Because … Carroll’s Seahawks do not have to?
As noted at the outset, the 2018 Seahawks were the run-heaviest team on early downs in the first 28 minutes since the Tebow-led 2011 Broncos. Carroll’s harshest critics called this a waste of a talented quarterback and borderline malpractice. On the other hand, check out where Seattle ranked last season during those exceedingly run-heavy first 28 minutes of games:
- First in fewest turnovers (two)
- Second in EPA per pass attempt (.29)
- Fourth in explosive pass rate (20.9 percent)
- Fifth in offensive points per game (11.7)
- Sixth in third-down EPA per play (.24)
- Ninth in total offensive EPA (4.0)
The Seahawks also ranked tied for first in opponent turnovers collected (13) during the first 28 minutes of those games, which benefited their offense."
THOSE ARE CALLED FACTS
A Pete Carroll offense is RUN FIRST to protect the ball and set up explosives, to win with defense, in part by winning the turnover battle, PARTICULARLY EARLY IN THE GAME
If you want keep trying to counter AN ENTIRE CAREER with last season (when they were 8-9 and COULD NOT STOP ANYONE) have at it .. . . ROFLMAO . .
..PLEASE KEEP CLAIMING I AM "MISTIFIED" BY FOOTBALL WHILE YOU ARGUE THAT A CARROLL OFFENSE IS A PASSING OFFENSE BECAUSE of 2022 . .
that ONLY emphasizes that you are an INSECURE clown who cannot admit he's wrong so you'll go through "the Buggsy progression" which is to shift, deflect and even MAKE SHIT UP
Keep going Buggsy . . . you've almost convinced me . . .
:-)
The Buccaneers of 2022 could not run the ball and we’re missing Gronk and Godwin for much of the season
“Carroll hinted at several press conferences that you have to run the ball when teams are running cover 2 and force the safety to come down. But also be able to work the short passing game down the seam or crossers which is the middle of the field”
not coincidentally big drop off in production from Mike Evans.
when Evans comes alive against the Panthers where are the safeties? Are they in 2 deep zone?
FOOTBALL IS A PRETTY SIMPLE GAME
PETE CARROLL THOUGHT THE BUCS WERE ONE DIMENSIONAL… because they were…
SO HE HEALTHY SCRATCHED A RUN STUFFER
WE RAN IT DOWN THEIR THROATS
Run & pass are connected together as is defense.
stats in the NFL are more a function of the game play out then a sign of strategy
look at Geno Smith stats. Who did he throw to most and when? Is that the offense or the CIRCUMSTANCES?
both?
I agree.
Pete Carroll understand football which is why the Hawks were able to fleece the Broncos because Wilson requires a play action offense with a running attack to hide his weaknesses. Furthermore, as we have seen the Broncos are aggressively upgrading their OL and run game with the start of free agency. SP knows that he needs to protect Wilson like Bress with play action offense. Wilson struggled with the timing offense that required him to hit crossers, and drags last season and was trying to force the ball downfield.
Regarding the ground and pound style offense. Sadly, I just dont think its a viable strategy in todays NFL. Having a strong aerial attack is the most effective and efficient way to move the ball up and down the field. A run game is necessary to keep defenses honest and in short yardage and red zone situation, but between the 20's you have to make plays through the air.
That is the Bucs plan so it seems seeing that Gage is still on the roster. The Bucs should be a better running team in 2023 compared to 2022 which I suspect will allow the Bucs to be more explosive through the air. Having a trio of Evans, Godwin and Gage is going to cause mismatches.
because Wilson requires a play action offense with a running attack to hide his weaknesses.
Your ability to just completely fabricate and make things up out of thin air is truly astonishing.
Schneider and PC fleeced the Broncos real good with the Wilson trade. But of course what do they know about football? SP is probably the only coach that can salvage Wilson at this point but yup the Broncos are going to pound the rock for sure as SP is no dummy. Too bad that Hackett didn't understand the flaws with Wilson.
Again, none of that has anything to do with your CONTINUOUS fabrication of Wilson.
Hence, why when I called you out last time and cited metrics and stats, you simply downvoted and ran away.
Wilson’s struggles were his own, right? Trying to prove Carroll wrong by trying to be more than the “point guard” in the offense
But given that the Bucs do not have an established QB1 or R. Wilson in his prime this is clearly going to be a run first offense.
You just described Geno Smith, prior to the 2022 season. And yet, Seattle ranked 23rd in Rushing attempts and 15th in Passing attempts.
We won’t see “ground and pound.” Even you’ve realized this, which is why you have transitioned to “more balanced” offense instead.
Not so sure because the Seahawks defensive front seven was so putrid they couldn't stop anyone so the Seahawks offense couldn't really play ball control. Rush attempts is often a factor of being able to hold a lead and shorten the game which is what PC prefers.
The Seahawks were forced into a lot of shoot outs because their defense was incapable of shutting offenses down for several stretches during the 2022 season. Keep in mind that Penny averaged 6.1 Y/A, Walker averaged 4.6 Y/A, Dallas averaged 5.3 Y/A and Homer averaged 3.9 Y/A.
6.1 + 4.6 + 5.3 + 3.9 = 4.99 Y/A between those four backs.
It is not that the Seahawks couldn't run the ball effectively it is that they had no choice given they were forced into shoot outs on offense.
