But given that the Bucs do not have an established QB1 or R. Wilson in his prime this is clearly going to be a run first offense.
You just described Geno Smith, prior to the 2022 season. And yet, Seattle ranked 23rd in Rushing attempts and 15th in Passing attempts.
We won’t see “ground and pound.” Even you’ve realized this, which is why you have transitioned to “more balanced” offense instead.
Not so sure because the Seahawks defensive front seven was so putrid they couldn't stop anyone so the Seahawks offense couldn't really play ball control. Rush attempts is often a factor of being able to hold a lead and shorten the game which is what PC prefers.
The Seahawks were forced into a lot of shoot outs because their defense was incapable of shutting offenses down for several stretches during the 2022 season. Keep in mind that Penny averaged 6.1 Y/A, Walker averaged 4.6 Y/A, Dallas averaged 5.3 Y/A and Homer averaged 3.9 Y/A.
6.1 + 4.6 + 5.3 + 3.9 = 4.99 Y/A between those four backs.
It is not that the Seahawks couldn't run the ball effectively it is that they had no choice given they were forced into shoot outs on offense.
Wilson’s struggles were his own, right? Trying to prove Carroll wrong by trying to be more than the “point guard” in the offense
Yeah PC said in pre season that he could see Geno being a competent PG for the offense and that is exactly how it panned out. It was surprising to see the Seahawks give Metcalf that monster contract. But looking back on it that made sense as the Hawks still value the passing game and explosion downfield but they wanted to be able to switch it up depending on game situations week to week.
“It is not that the Seahawks couldn't run the ball effectively it is that they had no choice given they were forced into shoot outs on offense.”
this
but Carroll also under pressure for the Wilson thing so trying to open it up
but yes if you look at the games themselves, including their down streak, you’ll see Carroll talking about getting away from his approach, like he’s trying lol but can’t quite break out of the mold.
Carroll and Wilson battling for the “see, I told you so” title.
who is winning?
I am actually a fan of seeing Geno have a big year, get bc a big contract etc BUT he definitely had a season where a lot of deep balls worked out well for him.
interested to watch this next season
i thought that DK is the perfect WR for Geno because he’s going to win so many battles. Evans did this for Winston but in a different way
Expect a ground and pound styled offense because that is what Bowles wants.
Carroll-style offense would drive some of the fans here nuts
Game 1 play selection:
34 pass attempts
33 rush attempts
And 8 of those rushing attempts were Mayfield - with a large number of those runs being called-in as pass plays. The QB sneak is the only called QB run that I recall, but there may have been another. Also, eight of the rushing attempts were on the last drive - when Tampa was trying to run out the clock and put the game away. That included 3 kneel-downs by Mayfield.
Obviously, that's nowhere near "ground and pound" or Pete Carroll from the 'teens. A real shocker.
Expect a ground and pound styled offense because that is what Bowles wants.
Carroll-style offense would drive some of the fans here nuts
Game 1 play selection:
34 pass attempts
33 rush attempts
And 8 of those rushing attempts were Mayfield - with a large number of those runs being called-in as pass plays. The QB sneak is the only called QB run that I recall, but there may have been another. Also, eight of the rushing attempts were on the last drive - when Tampa was trying to run out the clock and put the game away. That included 3 kneel-downs by Mayfield.
Obviously, that's nowhere near "ground and pound" or Pete Carroll from the 'teens. A real shocker.
what would be a "real shocker" would be you exhibiting reading skills
or testicles
I kid, I kid . . .
actually the QUESTION that was posed way back then was actually highlighted yesterday . . BRIGHTLY . . you're just too insecure . . . dumb . . or something to post it.
Or, just too busy posting howlers like "Evans schemed open"
The problem with a ground and pound offense is that you need an offensive line that can open up holes for the running back. That is something the Bucs were unable to do last season. I hope that the offensive line is improved next season.Outside of Waldron it was very vanilla. Expect a ground and pound styled offense because that is what Bowles wants.
I don’t expect ground and pound, but I will say it will be easier for OL to block opposing defenders when those defenders don’t know what’s coming - unlike what we saw from last year’s offensive playcalling.
To the part in bold above:
Game 1 last year, Fournette rushed 21 times for 120+ yards? Something like a 6 yard average
Game 1 this year, all Bucs rushed 33 times for 70+ yard, so a 2+ yard average?
:-)
(^^^Posted as an unflattering imitation of the "go to" Buggsy bump post - stats without context. All it takes is zero brain power and a desire to spar over nothing)
To the original comparison and the difference in the two halves, this is Bowles commenting on the Vikes game:
“The run doesn’t always have to be pretty. If you can get 33 runs in, it keeps the defense off the field some, it keeps [the opponent defense] out there longer, and it keeps them honest. It keeps them off Baker some.
“It has a double-fold [effect]. The amount of carries are just as important as the yardage, if not more important. If we can stay with that and kind of stay balance it kind of keeps everybody in the game.”
Bowles defense is built on stopping the run to take all of those running challenges away
(Its almost like he thinks there IS a correlation between running and passing lol)
If we can't run the ball we're in for a tough season, we need a top 15 rushing attackfor this offense to work
If we can't run the ball we're in for a tough season, we need a top 15 rushing attackfor this offense to work
No we don’t.
Seattle proved that last year.
Definitely do NOT have to be top 15 but any Buc fan should know running the baller matters.
And the 2022 Seahwaks may be the most misunderstood tam on the planet. LOL
INABILITY to stop the run and INABILITY TO RUN are why they got crushed in games that meant anything. Their QB's insane play masked some of that . . LAST YEAR . . . but those same running-rleeated issues showed up in their Rams loss.
Anyway, if we are to hlod the Seahawks up as a model, might as well discuss the real Seahawks. This is Carroll talking LAST YEAR about BOTH sides of the Seahawks run game problems, beginning with their OWN run game:
“We have to balance that out. We’ve got to make it go,” Carroll said of the Seahawks’ run game. “… It’s just not happening the way it’s got to happen for us to be successful consistently, particularly against really good teams. That just has to be evened out. And if we don’t do that, then we’re going to wind up on the other end of it again.”
Last week agains the Rams they are probably 40-60 run to pass (?), even with some success running? I just posted Bowles comments on this issue and they mirro rCarroll (and the adjustment in the 2nd half)
Now the Seahawks inability to stop the RUN . . .MIRRORING .. AGAIN . .WHAT BOWLES JUST SAID THIS WEEK about not even needing good running as much as commitment to running:
“We haven’t seen a lot of mystery stuff now. We haven’t seen a lot of new stuff. We’ve seen teams pretty much doing what they’ve been doing and what we’ve been practicing against, which is frustrating because we see this stuff and we’re able to talk about it on the sidelines and make sure that we’re making the fine-tuning adjustments and stuff,” Carroll said. “But you’ve still got to make those freaking plays. You’ve got to make those tackles and you’ve got to knock them back and you’ve got to keep them from falling forward where they can keep running that ball again. We need to force him to throw the football. The last couple games (our opponents) didn’t throw the ball very well at us, and they haven’t had to.”
Who knows where the Seahawks go from here . . . but their 2022 performance is not a measuring stick and that Rams game is an example of their play when Geno aint slinging it into double coverage for TDs
Game 1 play selection:
34 pass attempts
33 rush attempts
I won't be updating this weekly, but I am this week simply because of how similar (almost identical) the numbers are from Week 1 to Week 2:
Game 2 play selection:
34 pass attempts
34 rush attempts
That's pretty wild for there to be almost the same number of offensive plays from one week to next. But then for the split to be almost identical as well is a statistical anomaly.
Statistical anomaly. Lol. You should NEVER discuss statistics Buggsy aka Mr No Correlation Between Run & Pass
(in the real world, aggregate stats reflect game flow more than choice, per Canales)
PR - “Everyone remembers the head scratching at the beginning to last week’s game when Ko Kieft got the first two targets of the game in Minnesota.”
No, PR… not.. everyone
lol
