we just had our most successful season (without the GOAT) in two decades
You keep saying this, but how are you defining success? Because we've had multiple seasons with better winning percentages and points scored.
Here comes "Winston started some games" part II
lmao. the debate Debbie's unite!
Baker Mayfield is better than Jameis Winston
Debatable Debbie 1: "Now wait just a minute there. He started in 10 games over a possible 66 games with the Saints. Did you see his touchdown pass against the Bucs in the 2020 playoff run?"
The Bucs won a playoff game with Baker Mayfield. Something they only have done with the greatest quarterback of all time and Brad Johnson back in the 2002 season when they won the Superbowl. Would suggest that is more successful than having more wins or losing in the first round.
Debatable Debbie #2: "Well technically, the Bucs won in January 2003 so your wrong on 2002 comment"
EDIT: My broken record comment is most successful season since 2002 sans Brady
It seems like a fair question ask: how are you defining success?
Higher Winning Percentage in 2005, 2007, 2008, 2010, & 2016
Higher Points Scored in 2008, 2012, 2016, 2018, & 2019
Higher Point Differential in 2003, 2005, 2007, & 2008
Are you able to put into words how you are defining successful or not? It's a pretty simple question. Are you going to go the shameless sleazeball attorney route and dodge, duck, dip, dive, and dodge? Or are you going to answer a very simple and direct question on your repeated statement.
i mean, because it's obvious. but ok i will lay it out for you.
as Herm Edwards says, "We play to win the game"
Winning percentage is great but since making playoffs and playoff success isn't obvious enough for you, maybe we can define success as Joy?
We can likely agree that since 2002 we had 2 seasons that clearly define most joyous - 2002 Super bowl Victory and 2020 Super bowl Victory. I think we can all agree that they are 1 and 2 AND really any order you like. For some, it may be 2002 as our first, while others may have liked 2020 better. In any event, can we agree Super Bowl victory as 1, 2 as most successful seasons since 2002 - as that is the premise of my repeated statement, since our Superbowl and sans Brady.
what other seasons would be in the running? I'd say 2005 where we won the division with 11 wins, 2007 where we won the division with 9 wins.
Could we argue 2008 where we started out 9-3 only to lose 4 in a row and miss playoffs, a season that ultimately ended Gruden's coaching stint with Bucs? Highly unlikely we would say that was more entertaining and joyous and successful then the 9-8 season where Bucs made the playoffs and won a playoff game. A better winning percentage, ok...but which season did you enjoy more? which season did we make the playoffs? A moot point here and 2008 should not even be in the discussion.
I'd say the same for 2010 and 2016 where we missed the playoffs. In 2010, we finished third in the division. If the ultimate glory is Super Bowl, need to make playoffs to have a shot.
Points scored and points differential? ehh...which one of us is the lawyer again.
so now that we obviously narrowed it down, there are only 3 seasons in question of Non-brady led Bucs team since 2002.
2005, 2007, and 2023.
in 2005, Bucs had a home playoff game and was one of the most abysmal offense performances as if Tony Dungy was coaching the team, lost 17-10 at home to a very beatable Redskins team.
in 2007, we were 9-5 and lost our last 2 games only to again lose at home in the first round by 10 points to the eventual Superbowl champion.
in 2023, we were left for dead at 4-7 and rallied to finish the season 5-1. This was the first year after our glory days with Brady where we won a superbowl, followed by a franchise high 13 wins. We were a top team in the NFL and everyone including Vegas had us not doing shit with an over/under win total of 6.5 wins. We then played the Eagles and won by 32 points - a dominating victory at home. When is it not enjoyable to beat the shit out of them? We then went to the 4th quarter all tied up falling short by one possession of making it to the NFC Champ game.
So without lying on this message board, which season was your most enjoyable? and why?
“Simpleton”
Hope you put your face shield down
Winning percentage is great but since making playoffs and playoff success isn't obvious enough for you, maybe we can define success as Joy?
Here it comes.
A slight variation of “playoffs don’t matter”
it’s all about winning percentage
Trask would’ve won more regular season games but bowed out in the first round of playoffs … BUT THAT IS BETTER!
Winning percentage is great but since making playoffs and playoff success isn't obvious enough for you, maybe we can define success as Joy?
Here it comes.
A slight variation of “playoffs don’t matter”
it’s all about winning percentage
Trask would’ve won more regular season games but bowed out in the first round of playoffs … BUT THAT IS BETTER!
I mean 95% if not higher would agree that when removing Brady seasons, this last year was the most successful since Bucs 2002 Super Bowl season.
I mean it’s factually correct but retards going to retard at that 5% or perhaps just debattle Debbie’s because they don’t like that you or I were supportive of the starting QB? Not sure when the wheels fell off with some posters here just to disagree about everything.
It’s always refreshing to know that the law offices of Jameson, Jack, and Jose are always open for business.
i mean, because it's obvious. but ok i will lay it out for you.
as Herm Edwards says, "We play to win the game"
Winning percentage is great but since making playoffs and playoff success isn't obvious enough for you, maybe we can define success as Joy?
It must not be as obvious as you think, since you’re having to shift from “successful” to “joy.” The reason you are doing that is quite obvious: it’s not so cut-and-dry this was the most successful the team has been since 2022, without the GOAT, because there are multiple teams that won more. Most people define success as success, i.e. winning. I’ve already listed the multiple teams with higher winning percentages.
So without lying on this message board, which season was your most enjoyable? and why?
Since we’ve moved from “successful” to the subjective “joy/enjoyable,” I’d probably say the 2010 team. You crapped on them for finishing third, but they were 10-6 - more “successful” than 9-8. And this year’s 9-8 team would have been third in the division that year as well.
Your answer to the question posed is because they won a playoff game, and it’s a fair answer. I’m not sure why it took a novel and multiple posts to get that one sentence answer. But let’s at least agree that whether it’s “successful” or “enjoyable”, there is some subjectivity involved in the statement.
i mean, because it's obvious. but ok i will lay it out for you.
as Herm Edwards says, "We play to win the game"
Winning percentage is great but since making playoffs and playoff success isn't obvious enough for you, maybe we can define success as Joy?
It must not be as obvious as you think, since you’re having to shift from “successful” to “joy.” The reason you are doing that is quite obvious: it’s not so cut-and-dry this was the most successful the team has been since 2022, without the GOAT, because there are multiple teams that won more. Most people define success as success, i.e. winning. I’ve already listed the multiple teams with higher winning percentages.
So without lying on this message board, which season was your most enjoyable? and why?
Since we’ve moved from “successful” to the subjective “joy/enjoyable,” I’d probably say the 2010 team. You crapped on them for finishing third, but they were 10-6 - more “successful” than 9-8. And this year’s 9-8 team would have been third in the division that year as well.
Your answer to the question posed is because they won a playoff game, and it’s a fair answer. I’m not sure why it took a novel and multiple posts to get that one sentence answer. But let’s at least agree that whether it’s “successful” or “enjoyable”, there is some subjectivity involved in the statement.
not obvious when dealing with ass clowns I suppose
start a poll. I wonder who the masses would agree with Biggs
pick either one
more successful season
More joyful season
2023 or 2010. Let’s see who’s right
but keep on debating Debbie
I mean 95% if not higher would agree that when removing Brady seasons, this last year was the most successful since Bucs 2002 Super Bowl season.
I say 99.7%, if not higher, would agree that 2005 was the most splendid season ever.
I enjoy yanking things from my ass as well.
I mean 95% if not higher would agree that when removing Brady seasons, this last year was the most successful since Bucs 2002 Super Bowl season.
I say 99.7%, if not higher, would agree that 2005 was the most splendid season ever.
I enjoy yanking things from my ass as well.
picking a non playoff team or a team that lost in first round over a team that dominating the eagles? You sure do love butt play apparently
Since we’ve moved from “successful” to the subjective “joy/enjoyable,
Imagine typing those words AFTER asking another person how he defined success.
I’m not sure why it took a novel and multiple posts to get that one sentence answer.
Yes you are you freaking troll lol
Does anyone have a god summary of where the Bucs stand currently versus the cap?
Bucs currently have 37,201,102 in available cap space
Holy Shyt. Now that's a to the'dolla fact morsel. I bet he woulda included the cents, but its not even posted on even google. Nice job following up a sUmewhat "lazish" question with a concise answer. gUd Job, keep it Up.
Winning percentage is great but since making playoffs and playoff success isn't obvious enough for you, maybe we can define success as Joy?
Here it comes.
A slight variation of “playoffs don’t matter”
it’s all about winning percentage
Trask would’ve won more regular season games but bowed out in the first round of playoffs … BUT THAT IS BETTER!
Success is SUBJECTIVELY about DECIDING to View yUor Obstacles AS JOY. I SUCCEED In the pleasure I get from opening my eyes first thing in the morning. I Decide that I will succeed in making a great cup of coffee in set myself up to have a bit more pep which I can use as fuel to succeed in the first 2-3 hours of my day. And I end my day Successfully If I helped at least one person and didn't die.
Choose to succeed, even when taking a shyt, and your butt will be a tiny bit cleaner than the last time.
Its ONE OF the simplest yet hardest things to master. We CAN CHOOSE to be JOY in every situation. Perception.
i mean, because it's obvious. but ok i will lay it out for you.
as Herm Edwards says, "We play to win the game"
Winning percentage is great but since making playoffs and playoff success isn't obvious enough for you, maybe we can define success as Joy?
It must not be as obvious as you think, since you’re having to shift from “successful” to “joy.” The reason you are doing that is quite obvious: it’s not so cut-and-dry this was the most successful the team has been since 2022, without the GOAT, because there are multiple teams that won more. Most people define success as success, i.e. winning. I’ve already listed the multiple teams with higher winning percentages.
So without lying on this message board, which season was your most enjoyable? and why?
Since we’ve moved from “successful” to the subjective “joy/enjoyable,” I’d probably say the 2010 team. You crapped on them for finishing third, but they were 10-6 - more “successful” than 9-8. And this year’s 9-8 team would have been third in the division that year as well.
Your answer to the question posed is because they won a playoff game, and it’s a fair answer. I’m not sure why it took a novel and multiple posts to get that one sentence answer. But let’s at least agree that whether it’s “successful” or “enjoyable”, there is some subjectivity involved in the statement.
There you are. Good good Stuff!!! Personally me, I find more joy in watching a game that we lose BUT FOUGHT LIKE BUCCANEERS until the end (almost- see time out situation) like the Lions game as opposed to an uneventful win. We all like Flashy stuff- sorry, the vast majority of us, were more "invested" in the Loss against the Lions than were were in the WIN against the Ca Kitties-DESPITE Shutting them out, by having their 2 tds (which would have knocked us out of the playoff BTW) wiped off the board, one via one of the greatest defensive plays I have ever witness and the other as a result of Ca Kitties beating themselves with a penalty. The only thing more entertaining to me would be sumthung akin to having called that time out, ran that last play-->Scored-->Converted the 2 point conversion---> Win the OT coin toss---->Get the Ball and score on the next play---Pack bags and prepare to get Revenge against our next opponent. That would have subjectively brought me more joy, AND objectively added another BIG win. Unfortunately, we didn't even try it.
So yes, Joy is subjective and winning is Objective...but there's still some gray there as to what is more important to any given individual.
Good post again Biggs.
I mean 95% if not higher would agree that when removing Brady seasons, this last year was the most successful since Bucs 2002 Super Bowl season.
I say 99.7%, if not higher, would agree that 2005 was the most splendid season ever.
I enjoy yanking things from my ass as well.
Me too its fun toying sometimes. I thank U for teaching me how to bury some posters as politely as possible(?) or....ya'know, ur doing Ur best. Good keep it up, become more consistent. The only question, is sumtImes I feel a bit guilty, even when I try to kill them with kindness, it can be frustrating and Lonely. But I see u Bro.
