I don't think a 3 year 70 mil deal is out of the question. especially if they were to do like 45 million GTD with a third year "option" essentially giving them an out after 2026 if he doesn't return to form. While I think Coen and co. are a threat especially given what Coen saw before Godwin went down... I see LV being a bigger threat given Brady' and Spytek experience with him and what he brings to the table. As was mentioned i think given the competitor that Godwin is and his penchant for being a team player that all things being equal he'd rather stay local rather than uprooting his wife and newborn for a little extra money and to a team that the window for success hasn't opened yet. I think both Jax and LV are in a similar situation to what TB was before Brady in that they will have to overpay to get talent to go there(especially Jax). Switching gears for a minute back to Mack...I do want to see TB bring in a solid Edge rusher (not sold on either Mack(age) or Hendrickson(reminds me of Michael Johnson). As I stated earlier I'm hoping they flood positions of need with some Shaq Barrett type FA's with 1-2 splash signings leading up to the draft....One player I am intrigued by in the second is Maxwell Hairston from UK...I feel like he fits the Zyon mold and what Licht and Bowles like in their CB's
The two moves have nothing in common. The money for Mack wouldn’t keep us from signing Godwin. Mack is better than nothing, but not quite the splash signing we truly need. But that would be the bare minimum type of move this team would make at the Edge position.
yeah agreed. i'll take it, but it's got Akiem Hicks type disappointment written all over it
Definitely give me that signing but they better throw another signing or first round pick to go at edge to go along with it.
I rather not pay a guy 20mil for less than 10 sacks, Mack isn't the guy thats gonna take us over the top, I rather start Diaby and robert ayers kinda player in free agency like Judon, a guy we were thinking about. Falcons totally misused him putting him in coverage half the time
As for Jacksonville, they have two things - a decent QB and a HC who calls Godwin's number. If you projected his stats in the Coen offense last year over 17 games he'd have 121 catches for 1404 yards. That would have been 2nd and 3rd in the league respectively. SI says "Of the bad teams in the NFL, Jacksonville is easily one of the most talented..." I wouldn't exactly call that effusive praise, but Godwin wouldn't be going into an offensive dead zone there.
As for Jacksonville, they have two things - a decent QB and a HC who calls Godwin's number. If you projected his stats in the Coen offense last year over 17 games he'd have 121 catches for 1404 yards. That would have been 2nd and 3rd in the league respectively. SI says "Of the bad teams in the NFL, Jacksonville is easily one of the most talented..." I wouldn't exactly call that effusive praise, but Godwin wouldn't be going into an offensive dead zone there.
I certainly agree with you on all of this. I would say Lawrence is kind of a question mark..He's in a lot of ways like Baker Mayfield before he came to Tampa....He's flashed here and there, has name recognition but too inconsistent and has a lack of talent around him in that offense minus Chark, Etienne, and maybe Engram. Coen walked into a very established WR room as well as a very talented OL room and a versatile weapon in White. With the additions of Barton, Bucky, and McMillan really elevated the offense to new heights. That along with the continued growth of Wirfs, Goedeke, Mauch, Bredeson, and Otten they showed what Coen' offense is capable of. While most of them missed some time, thanks to the coaching up of the position coaches and playcalling was able to mask their flaws during that time. That said Jax only really has Lawrence, Chark, and Etienne, their OL is a mess, Engram is decent but their offense as a whole looks nothing like what he fell into here. Obviously their offense will look a lot different after FA and the draft, but they only have about 30 mil to in cap space with holes to fill everywhere. They currently need OT,CB,OG,WR, DT, Edge, NCB, and Safety
They have Brian Thomas and Tank Bigsby.As for Jacksonville, they have two things - a decent QB and a HC who calls Godwin's number. If you projected his stats in the Coen offense last year over 17 games he'd have 121 catches for 1404 yards. That would have been 2nd and 3rd in the league respectively. SI says "Of the bad teams in the NFL, Jacksonville is easily one of the most talented..." I wouldn't exactly call that effusive praise, but Godwin wouldn't be going into an offensive dead zone there.
I certainly agree with you on all of this. I would say Lawrence is kind of a question mark..He's in a lot of ways like Baker Mayfield before he came to Tampa....He's flashed here and there, has name recognition but too inconsistent and has a lack of talent around him in that offense minus Chark, Etienne, and maybe Engram. Coen walked into a very established WR room as well as a very talented OL room and a versatile weapon in White. With the additions of Barton, Bucky, and McMillan really elevated the offense to new heights. That along with the continued growth of Wirfs, Goedeke, Mauch, Bredeson, and Otten they showed what Coen' offense is capable of. While most of them missed some time, thanks to the coaching up of the position coaches and playcalling was able to mask their flaws during that time. That said Jax only really has Lawrence, Chark, and Etienne, their OL is a mess, Engram is decent but their offense as a whole looks nothing like what he fell into here. Obviously their offense will look a lot different after FA and the draft, but they only have about 30 mil to in cap space with holes to fill everywhere. They currently need OT,CB,OG,WR, DT, Edge, NCB, and Safety
Signing Mack and then drafting an edge rusher in round 1 is would be a lot better than what the Bucs tried to do last year IMO.
Personally I rather see the team sign two veteran edge rushers or sign one vet edge rusher and trade for another that is buried on another team's depth chart (eg Herbig).
I rather not pay a guy 20mil for less than 10 sacks, Mack isn't the guy thats gonna take us over the top, I rather start Diaby and robert ayers kinda player in free agency like Judon, a guy we were thinking about. Falcons totally misused him putting him in coverage half the time
Judon can be used in coverage so that isn't really a misuse and that is what Bowles like to do too. But Judon opposite of Diaby and the Bucs draft an edge rusher in round 1 and the Bucs edge situation changes dramatically for the better.
As for Jacksonville, they have two things - a decent QB and a HC who calls Godwin's number. If you projected his stats in the Coen offense last year over 17 games he'd have 121 catches for 1404 yards. That would have been 2nd and 3rd in the league respectively. SI says "Of the bad teams in the NFL, Jacksonville is easily one of the most talented..." I wouldn't exactly call that effusive praise, but Godwin wouldn't be going into an offensive dead zone there.
I certainly agree with you on all of this. I would say Lawrence is kind of a question mark..He's in a lot of ways like Baker Mayfield before he came to Tampa...
Honestly, he reminds me more of Jameis Winston
First overall pick
His best season was his second season
Regressed in season 3 and 4
A QB whisper coach is brought in to save him
season 5 is last gasp, and relegated to journeyman back-up from there on out
so Lawrence is entering season 5 in which all other bullet points have been true to date. Unlikely he is relegated to journeyman after season 5 given his horrendous contract and dead cap money but might be in a season or two.
Hard pass on Mack.
Hard pass on Mack.
For the price he wants, agreed
In a perfect world where he signs for 2m/year. Fuck yeah
SR's battle plan has Godwin's contract at 2 years for $36 mil. And yet TKraz puts Godwin as the #1 free agent WR on the market now that Higgins is tagged. So what is the market out there for Godwin and how much of a hometown discount is Godwin willing to take? A whole year on the contract? I don't think so. Godwin is young enough that somebody will take a chance on giving him a three-year deal at $22 or so per at least with some guarantees on that third year. It won't just be a year that can be tossed into the trash if the team wants to get out of it.
So if Godwin is looking at for example $70 mil for three years with $50 guaranteed on the open market where the Bucs have $36 mil and guarantee $30 mil in a two year deal that's just too much of a hometown discount.
There isn't going to be a big hometown discount but teams outside the organization do not know the full extent of Godwin's injury history. The Bucs organization has a better idea of his injury history and progress so they can offer proper value based on his recovery.
Well, I would think Godwin's camp would share all of the medical information available. But in any case that makes a two year deal even less appealing to a team if he can't be 100% in the first year of it. It took a year for him to get up to speed last time. This is a different injury. The status of Godwin's injury progress is something the general public doesn't have any information about, but I think the interested parties would certainly have more information than we do.There isn't going to be a big hometown discount but teams outside the organization do not know the full extent of Godwin's injury history. The Bucs organization has a better idea of his injury history and progress so they can offer proper value based on his recovery.
Thank God Bowles left him in the game during a blowout.
Excellent work
