Still can't believe anyone would stubbornly defend Leftwich. He's gone for good reason. He's not in the NFL for good reason.
No one is defending Leftwich. My post is laughing at Bux fans who wanted a new OC. Well, you've got one. A high school coach coordinator whose offense is producing a laughable product.
Still can't believe anyone would stubbornly defend Leftwich. He's gone for good reason. He's not in the NFL for good reason.
No one is defending Leftwich. My post is laughing at Bux fans who wanted a new OC. Well, you've got one. A high school coach coordinator whose offense is producing a laughable product.
Leftwich had the GOAT. Canales has Mayfield. Don't you think that may have something to do with "producing a laughable product"?
Still can't believe anyone would stubbornly defend Leftwich. He's gone for good reason. He's not in the NFL for good reason.
No one is defending Leftwich. My post is laughing at Bux fans who wanted a new OC. Well, you've got one. A high school coach coordinator whose offense is producing a laughable product.
Thankfully that's just a troll
The Bucs had execution problems, not scheme problems. Fault Canales for not having his players ready maybe, but execution is on the players.
Canales didn't make Mayfield throw the ball to a double covered Otton lol
Still can't believe anyone would stubbornly defend Leftwich. He's gone for good reason. He's not in the NFL for good reason.
No one is defending Leftwich. My post is laughing at Bux fans who wanted a new OC. Well, you've got one. A high school coach coordinator whose offense is producing a laughable product.
Leftwich had the GOAT. Canales has Mayfield. Don't you think that may have something to do with "producing a laughable product"?
exactly and Leftwich had the GOAT and all the other players playing in a system that was well known to all (except Julio lol) because they had been in it for several years
I fault Canales for not calling plays to our strength.
I fault him for our atrocious red zone work.
I fault him for not keeping defenses off balance for run/pass.
I fault him for his lack of creativity.
I fault Canales for not calling plays to our strength.
I fault him for our atrocious red zone work.
I fault him for not keeping defenses off balance for run/pass.
I fault him for his lack of creativity.
does this mean passing more: "not calling plays to our strength."
I fault Canales for not calling plays to our strength.
Which is?
I fault him for our atrocious red zone work.
There have been some head-scratchers, but mostly the RZ playcalling has been good. The QB has missed open guys for TD's way too often.
I fault him for his lack of creativity.
In the run game, we agree. Honestly, I'm seeing too much of what we saw last year in dull runs between the tackles. I'm beginning to think the Run Game Coordinator, who is also the AHC and was retained from last season, may be the culprit. That's speculation on my part, and it ultimately falls on the head of the OC anyway. I'm just wondering about Harold Godwin's role in the shitty run game.
I fault him for not keeping defenses off balance for run/pass.
This one, you're all over the map on. Here are examples from just this thread:
Canales... stop fucking running it.
Stop for the love of fucking God
Stop fucking running on first down!
Our inside line is so fucking bad
Canales has lost his God damn mind with this running the ball stubbornness
And that run on 1st down to just kill momentum after the big play.
So frustrating
The Bucs threw the ball (42) over twice as much as ran (20) it. Running too often wasn't the problem. The run-play design and execution was the problem.
But then, you complain about not running on first down later in the game:
Then Canales doesn't run some clock on 1st and goal. So dumb
Could have run on 1st and goal and chewed clock but nope.
All the running on first down and when we get there we go empty set.
Canales doesn't understand anything yet
The goal there is to score a TD, and the odds of that happening running the ball are pretty small. Hopefully, that TD is scored while also taking time off of the clock - but that can also be achieved by throwing the ball.
1st-and-Goal from the 8: Trey Palmer is WIDE open for a 5 yard gain to the right, but Mayfield instead chooses to throw to Godwin the defender right on his back and it was almost picked. Bad decision by the QB. Incompletion with the clock stopping, instead of a 5 yard gain with the clock running.
2nd-and-Goal from the 8: Trey Palmer is again WIDE open for a 5 yard gain to the right, Rachaad White is WIDE open in the flat, and Evans is NFL open for a TD, but Mayfield instead chooses to throw to Godwin the defender right on his back yet again. This was a bad decision and poor throw from the QB. Incompletion with the clock stopping, instead of at least 5 yard gain with the clock running.
3rd-and-Goal from the 8: I'm not a huge fan of this design. But if the ball comes out on time, Mayfield has either Godwin along the back of the EZ or White in the back right corner pylon. That would have taken high-level QB'ing with precision passing, which is something Mayfield hasn't show a lot of so far. Canales and Mayfield can split blame for this rep, IMO. But hey, Atlanta did use a TO after Mayfield was sacked. So there's that.
In summation, running the ball three times there is flat-out giving up downs and playing for a tie. I don't want that chickenshit attitude from any HC or OC.
One dimensional offenses can win. We were probably 60+% pass and KC was probably 60+% pass winning Super Bowls. Those teams had Brady and Mahomes at QB.
We do NOT . . . lmao,
Credit whichever coach(es) you want (Canales, McVey, Carroll, Sirrianni), but the very essence of a the so-called QB-friendly offenses is to use BALANCE to reduce turnovers, keep defenses honest, slow down pass rushes, wear defenses out and, generally, to keep manageable d&d ; That is NOT THE ONLY WAY TO WIN . . . but its the way one team with a sketchy QB won yesterday
The FALCONS beat the Bucs yesterday with that formula and you shouldve been able to sense it working in the 3rd and 4th quarter. In fact, in the drive where White inexplicably let Algiers lose for a long gain on a PASS, the Falcons followed that play up with . .. . ( I think) RUN, RUN, RUN, RUN, RUN . . because they had beaten the Bucs defense up. The result was a TD (but for an incredible play by Winfield).
By comparison, the Bucs came out after that series with PASS, PASS, RUN, PASS, PASS, RUN . . INTERCEPTION. THE FALCONS PUT THE BALL IN ALGIERS AND AND PATTERSON'S HANDS, WE PUT IT IN MAYFIELD's. And Buggsy is CORRECT to point out the QB execution because as bad as White may have been running yesterday, he actually produced on several checkdowns. The kinds of passes that were open for Mayfield, but he chose to throw to Godwin (Buggys examples) and double covered Otton
Anyway, last year the Bucs could barely win with a 65/35 pass to run mix and they had the GOAT at QB with a lot of experience in the system. Why would anyone expect that same formula to win yesterday in a NEW system with Mayfield?
and yet the Bucs chose a lot of those pass plays (some dictated by circumstances) because the score was tight most of the game
I think Canales is doing a decent job, overall. My only gripe with him is the lack of perimeter runs designed for the RB's and the lack of perimeter plays designed for Godwin.
Godwin has zero TD on the year and we are 8 weeks into the year. One thing Leftwich did was call CG's number on those quick WR screens and let him create after the catch. We just haven't seen much of that from him this year. CG has great YAC ability and we aren't seeing it as much. I think we need to call some plays in the red area that play into his strengths.
The running game problems are interesting. Admittedly a small sample size, but if you look at the PR video from Josh where he breaks down our Lions run play, we mix it up (mid-zone, counters, pitch, etc) but every play there is something going poorly, from Otton literally not knowing the play to the RBs not following the design etc.
Even with the struggles, we have had a 5 or 7 yard or more run recently, for example last game one called back for a WR holding.
That seems to me like needing time to get everyone on the same page AND Canales has suggested as much. May not be the best for this season, but maybe long run.
The QB has missed open guys for TD's way too often.
Mayfield instead chooses to throw to Godwin the defender right on his back and it was almost picked. Bad decision by the QB.
Mayfield instead chooses to throw to Godwin the defender right on his back yet again. This was a bad decision and poor throw from the QB.
This has been the knock on Mayfield his entire career. I work with some Browns fans and they told me at the beginning of the season Baker would get my hopes up only to crush them. Admittedly, I wasn't a fan of him being named the starter, but I was sure hoping he would prove my office colleagues wrong. He still has time but...
Trask is gonna have an easier time throwing, hes taller and baker has issues have you noticed he has a batted ball every game
I agree. I think its going take a few more Baker stinkers before Bowles pulls him.Trask is gonna have an easier time throwing, hes taller and baker has issues have you noticed he has a batted ball every game
Trask is gonna have an easier time throwing, hes taller and baker has issues have you noticed he has a batted ball every game
Yes, and I believe that is why he misses high most of the time when he misses. He needs to get the ball over the linemen.
