I think Canales is doing a decent job, overall.
He has no running game in his offense, his players don't know how to line up, his future HoF is deep in the league in targets (30-something last week)....and his offense doesn't score much. Decent?
PR has its breakdown of the RZ drives up.
a few things stand out
1) o-line sucks so no running
2) o line sucks so one play blown up with Falcons only rushing 3
3) Calais Campbell beat us on his own lol
4) Mayfield is likely going to the primary receiver only no matter what he sees pre-snap or post … unless it’s really post, meaning long after snap freelancing (doesn’t really happen much in RZ)
5) even if he’s tracking primary receiver only he totally fails to throw the ball to an open Godwin in the back of the EZ
6) on most plays he had dump off passes short of the EZ he could’ve taken but didn’t so it’s like he decided EZ or nothing.
as you’d expect huge drop off in QB play from Brady to Mayfield, especially presnap
huge drop off in QB play from Brady to Mayfield, especially presnap
But I thought the reason why Mayfield was selected over Trask was because of Mayfield's ability to read defenses...
huge drop off in QB play from Brady to Mayfield, especially presnap
But I thought the reason why Mayfield was selected over Trask was because of Mayfield's ability to read defenses...
That would be one, but I guess Mayfield fans would say that being less competent than the GOAT does not equal less competent than Trask.
there’s a little daylight between Brady and Trask. Lol
Kidding aside I based that on one RZ play where it’s easy to imagine Brady ignoring the called play in favor of a pretty obvious match up advantage.
Fair point about comparison between GOAT and Trask. I guess my frustration with the QB play in the last couple of games is clouding my reasoning...
https://twitter.com/BaldyNFL/status/1717552588638351538?t=FWxjcD2KUQm8IX2Ahaglsg&s=19
These red zone concepts.
Wtf are we doing?
@biggs3535 - keeping defenses off balance means they think it's run when its pass and vice versa.
All of my complaints stem from the stubbornness to give it up when it isn't working (Canales can't be at fault for our shitty interior line), mixed with run run pass type mentality to create 3rd and short.
Did you see a ton of ingenuity in the offense? I sure didn't. And see the tape... we have almost everyone running into the end zone.
And of course, Baker doesn't process anything quickly so what few windows we had, he didn't see... totally agree with you.
But where is the fade to Evans? What about a misdirection screen?
What about a slant? What about a qb draw?
It seems like Canales and Baker aren't on the same page... especially in the red zone.
Both at fault
I'll try to find the tape but both the Eagles and Ravens ran this screen design where you fake a screen one way then go back to the other side.
It's so frustrating watching other offensive coordinators screen people wide open, yet us (just like last year) find everything so painful to get wide open.
And what I mean is... yes Palmer was wide open twice and missed by Baker the game before. But he's open because he gets open... the separation comes from the route runner not the route.
Rub pick plays, disguise TEs etc... all I see is vanilla.
All that said I'm aware I'm being to critical of Canales and he's still learning... it's just 2 years of watch our offense just struggle to do anything while the defense, even with boenhead White, keep us in games.
But where is the fade to Evans?
I was assured this was coming :-)
(On one of the RZ plays -- I think - we were going lef, as I recall, but Evans is one one on in close on the right . . again, going off memory. That play made me think of Brady who probably adjusts away from the called play to go to Evans)
keeping defenses off balance means they think it's run when its pass and vice versa.
Agreed
Tough to do when you go 65/35 pass to run
keeping defenses off balance means they think it's run when its pass and vice versa.
There's a pretty good argument to made that Atlanta expected TB to run the ball in the 1st-and-goal situation to drain clock/use ATL's TO's, like you wanted. But they "kept the defense off balance" and threw the ball, but you're still not happy.
All of my complaints stem from the stubbornness to give it up when it isn't working (Canales can't be at fault for our shitty interior line), mixed with run run pass type mentality to create 3rd and short.
To repeat: The Bucs threw the ball (42) over twice as much as ran (20) it. Running too often wasn't the problem. The run-play design and execution was the problem.
If it was "run run pass type mentality" as you stated, those splits would be reversed. But it's not a "run run pass type mentality," as the OC called 2+ passes to every 1 run. You're flat out wrong here, as these numbers aren't my opinion but factual.
Did you see a ton of ingenuity in the offense?
In the passing game specifically, I'm seeing "a ton" of guys open. Whether it's from what you're calling ingenuity, WR's simply beating their man, or the OC scheming guys open vs. the opposing defense, I'm not all that concerned with. Guys are getting open with regularity, and that's the OC's job.
As I've stated, the run game has lacked any and all ingenuity. The run plays have looked too much like last season. Incidentally enough, we have the exact same Run Game Coordinator as last season. Draw whatever conclusions from that you will.
But where is the fade to Evans? What about a misdirection screen?
What about a slant? What about a qb draw?
It seems like Canales and Baker aren't on the same page... especially in the red zone.
Both at fault
If these play suggestions are in reference the Goal-to-go situation, two of three plays called won. The offense had at least one WIDE OPEN player on 1st and 2nd down (two WIDE OPEN guys on 2nd) but Mayfield threw both of those to the guy with a defender right on his back. I have no idea how the OC can be blamed for that, but here we are.
If BM makes the correct decision on first and second down, there probably isn't a third down for us to bitch about because they've already scored the go-ahead TD.
Rub pick plays, disguise TEs etc... all I see is vanilla.
There’s been examples of these all season.
Are we calling them/implementing them? Yes.
Do we call them enough? No.
And what I mean is... yes Palmer was wide open twice and missed by Baker the game before. But he's open because he gets open... the separation comes from the route runner not the route.
This is simply not true and discussed at length by guys like Ledyard and others.
At the end of the day, Canales’ passing philosophy and concepts have schemed receivers open all year. Against man. Against zone. The same guys who weren’t this open last year.
The last 2 weeks can be primarily pinned on Baker, who simply hasn’t executed. The plays have been there. He hasn’t hit.
The egregious pick on the throw to Otton. He had outlets.
The final drive of the game. Had Evans. Next play, didn’t pull the trigger on Godwin and takes the sack. Was it a bit of tighter window? Sure. But, it’s a throw an NFL quarterback should make.
And, if he can’t/won’t make those, then put in Trask and see what we’ve got.
The egregious pick on the throw to Otton. He had outlets.
this one was terrible. just check it down
On the RZ though this is Sean Payton in an article talkig n about Broncos prior poor RZ perfromance:
"In his 15 seasons coaching the Saints, Sean Payton’s teams produced nine top-10 finishes in red-zone efficiency and ranked 11th three times. He said earlier this month that “good red-zone teams are typically in the playoffs,” and recent data agrees. In 2022, eight of the top 10 red-zone offenses earned a spot in the playoff field.
Key to that red-zone success, Payton said, is finding ways to run the ball effectively inside the 20. The Broncos ranked 24th in EPA (expected points added) per designed rush on red zone plays in 2022, according to TruMedia."
The Bucs never tried and they started at the 6 and 8 (I think)
