I need both of you to say this with me:
Stephen A Smith is not "the media".
His job to to say wild/stupid shit to get people like us to talk about it and complain et al.
ESPN is TMZ for sports. It's not "the media". It's a massive for-profit corporation that wants to make as much money as possible by getting as many views as possible.
The steamier the take, the more clicks, the more money.
If the MSM were talking about it you'd have a point.
The description above fits just about all of modern media, sports or otherwise.
I understand why you are wanting to shrink the size of the media for the purposes of this discussion, but media personalities at ESPN/NFLN/Fox Sports/CBS Sports/NBC Sports/etc. definitely qualify as part of the sports media.
I need both of you to say this with me:
Stephen A Smith is not "the media".
His job to to say wild/stupid shit to get people like us to talk about it and complain et al.
ESPN is TMZ for sports. It's not "the media". It's a massive for-profit corporation that wants to make as much money as possible by getting as many views as possible.
The steamier the take, the more clicks, the more money.
If the MSM were talking about it you'd have a point.
The description above fits just about all of modern media, sports or otherwise.
I understand why you are wanting to shrink the size of the media for the purposes of this discussion, but media personalities at ESPN/NFLN/Fox Sports/CBS Sports/NBC Sports/etc. definitely qualify as part of the sports media.
ROFLMA . . Biggs . . . Fire is not trying to win some future argument with you on the RB ("I understand why you are wanting to shrink the size of the media for the purposes of this discussion"). He is CORRECTLY pointing out a huge problem
Stephen Smith is a merchant. His future comments about race and hiring in the NFL are a CERTAINTY, no matter what reality dictates. His future comments about NFL and race and hiring are already in the hopper to be directed at you and people like you. Thats not because they reflect reality though, its because he knows those comments ANIMATE you . . .JUST like here.
You are not identifying a trend, you're being LED BY your belief in its premise. Smith is making those kinds of comments INTENTIONALLY so you and others will keep his voice in the discussion, click on his links, share them with the world, tell people about him over the water cooler. Again, just like here.
I need both of you to say this with me:
Stephen A Smith is not "the media".
His job to to say wild/stupid shit to get people like us to talk about it and complain et al.
ESPN is TMZ for sports. It's not "the media". It's a massive for-profit corporation that wants to make as much money as possible by getting as many views as possible.
The steamier the take, the more clicks, the more money.
If the MSM were talking about it you'd have a point.
The description above fits just about all of modern media, sports or otherwise.
I understand why you are wanting to shrink the size of the media for the purposes of this discussion, but media personalities at ESPN/NFLN/Fox Sports/CBS Sports/NBC Sports/etc. definitely qualify as part of the sports media.
I'm not sure you're understanding my point. The media makes this a thing for money. Stephen A Smith's job is to say outlandish stuff.
Todd Bowles is not getting fired for being black (if they actually fire him which deep down I don't think they will).
Brain Flores did not get fired for being black. BUT his firing was handled poorly and it definitely had racial undertones to as evident by Bill's text messages.
Things don't work in binary. Context is what helps us to understand the what AND the why.
If this story becomes about Bowles being black there will be, as evident by the original poster who brought it up, about "wokeness" or whatever.
This thread has nothing to do with Bowles being black and getting fired for it AND YET people are ready to get ahead of it with their disdain for... Whatever it is they're ready to be mad about next.
That's the point being made here. Stephen A Smith may or may not make it about race...but it's not about race and Stephen A Smith is not "the media".
The dude is head coach of this team and Bucs were supposed to be shit after brady
he had them at back to back division champs (potentially)
of course we see the offense has carried the team led by baker
Are you suggesting there will be no sports talk shows, Steven A, etc talking about Bowles unjustifiably losing his job.
Somehow Dan Campbell keeps his job after another playoff exit but Bowles doesn’t?
the front office is not firing Bowles this offseason
Somehow Dan Campbell keeps his job? Wut
They might win 14 games and get the 1 seeds with more injuries than any other team.
What a wild comparison
Lions not making the Superbowl this year would a huge disappointment and they wont because he will make some questionable coaching calls in the playoffs to cost them a game. Here's hoping it's against the Bucs and not the Eagles lol
This thread has nothing to do with Bowles being black and getting fired for it AND YET people are ready to get ahead of it with their disdain for... Whatever it is they're ready to be mad about next.
Truth
I'm not sure you're understanding my point.
I have small quibbles with the rest of your post, but it's not worth going into. I and others have been pushing back against this point you made earlier:
You're saying it would be politically charged because he's black? If so, strongly disagree.
We say there will be those (in the media and otherwise) that make it politically charged because he's black, you say differently. We'll agree to disagree and find it who is right if/when he is relieved of his duties. Hopefully we can agree on that and move on. If not, I will probably just let you have the last word.
The Bucs will show loyalty to Bowles regardless of whether they move on from him or not. He won't be unceremoniously dumped on Black Monday. He'll retire, or he'll get a job at One Buc. He knows he's not getting another HC job and he probably doesn't want to leave the Bucs. The Bucs like him, Licht likes him. They'll try to do right by him, and that will make it harder for the Stephen A. types to play the race card.
The dude is head coach of this team and Bucs were supposed to be shit after brady
he had them at back to back division champs (potentially)
of course we see the offense has carried the team led by baker
Are you suggesting there will be no sports talk shows, Steven A, etc talking about Bowles unjustifiably losing his job.
Somehow Dan Campbell keeps his job after another playoff exit but Bowles doesn’t?
the front office is not firing Bowles this offseason
Somehow Dan Campbell keeps his job? Wut
They might win 14 games and get the 1 seeds with more injuries than any other team.
What a wild comparison
Lions not making the Superbowl this year would a huge disappointment and they wont because he will make some questionable coaching calls in the playoffs to cost them a game. Here's hoping it's against the Bucs and not the Eagles lol
He'll play the same way he always plays. The players love it and it's what's made him successful.
He's arguably coach of the year... So I don't think I understand your point here at all.
Lions injuries will be their demise, not the head coach's play calling
The Bucs will show loyalty to Bowles regardless of whether they move on from him or not. He won't be unceremoniously dumped on Black Monday. He'll retire, or he'll get a job at One Buc. He knows he's not getting another HC job and he probably doesn't want to leave the Bucs. The Bucs like him, Licht likes him. They'll try to do right by him, and that will make it harder for the Stephen A. types to play the race card.
I would agree that organization would be good with this, but it would depend on if Bowles wants to continue to coach elsewhere or work in the front office here. He would be the one making that decision.
I'm not sure you're understanding my point.
I have small quibbles with the rest of your post, but it's not worth going into. I and others have been pushing back against this point you made earlier:
You're saying it would be politically charged because he's black? If so, strongly disagree.
We say there will be those (in the media and otherwise) that make it politically charged because he's black, you say differently. We'll agree to disagree and find it who is right if/when he is relieved of his duties. Hopefully we can agree on that and move on. If not, I will probably just let you have the last word.
We will find out and yes we both hope that regardless, the right decision is made.
How SAS decides to get his clicks is debatable.
But questioning him being fired if they win the division and go to the NFCCG will of course come up (why wouldn't it).
And if Bucs make it that far, his firing isn't happening.
The dude is head coach of this team and Bucs were supposed to be shit after brady
he had them at back to back division champs (potentially)
of course we see the offense has carried the team led by baker
Are you suggesting there will be no sports talk shows, Steven A, etc talking about Bowles unjustifiably losing his job.
Somehow Dan Campbell keeps his job after another playoff exit but Bowles doesn’t?
the front office is not firing Bowles this offseason
Somehow Dan Campbell keeps his job? Wut
They might win 14 games and get the 1 seeds with more injuries than any other team.
What a wild comparison
Lions not making the Superbowl this year would a huge disappointment and they wont because he will make some questionable coaching calls in the playoffs to cost them a game. Here's hoping it's against the Bucs and not the Eagles lol
He'll play the same way he always plays. The players love it and it's what's made him successful.
He's arguably coach of the year... So I don't think I understand your point here at all.
Lions injuries will be their demise, not the head coach's play calling
replace Lions with Bucs and can you got yourself Todd Bowles
if players liking the guy is a point of note, then we are in trouble with Bowles...guy may get an extension.
but ok, let's pivot from the Lions pending early playoff exit and go to a more comparable example with Zac Taylor of the Bengals. A record below .500 with healthy bengals team set to miss playoffs this year. Does he keep his job? If so, how does that happen compared to Todd?
Listen, im all for moving on from Bowles, just saying there will be hesitation giving his resounding success as him as head coach. A top 5 Bucs coach of all time batting 1,000 on playoff appearences (of course, this all goes to shit if they lose to the Saints which is entirely possible)
and im strictly talking backlash throughout the NFL. The actual national media will be busy enough with a new administration so it may only be news for a day; but yeah it's negative publicity that the Glazers will have to navigate somehow.
A top 5 Bucs coach of all time batting 1,000 on playoff appearences (of course, this all goes to shit if they lose to the Saints which is entirely possible)
made me laugh because its Bucs realism at its finest
but ok, let's pivot from the Lions pending early playoff exit and go to a more comparable example with Zac Taylor of the Bengals. A record below .500 with healthy bengals team set to miss playoffs this year. Does he keep his job? If so, how does that happen compared to Todd?
Listen, im all for moving on from Bowles, just saying there will be hesitation giving his resounding success as him as head coach. A top 5 Bucs coach of all time batting 1,000 on playoff appearences (of course, this all goes to shit if they lose to the Saints which is entirely possible)
and im strictly talking backlash throughout the NFL. The actual national media will be busy enough with a new administration so it may only be news for a day; but yeah it's negative publicity that the Glazers will have to navigate somehow.
The difference is we play in a shit division.
Bengals and Lions play in good divisions.
but ok, let's pivot from the Lions pending early playoff exit and go to a more comparable example with Zac Taylor of the Bengals. A record below .500 with healthy bengals team set to miss playoffs this year. Does he keep his job? If so, how does that happen compared to Todd?
Listen, im all for moving on from Bowles, just saying there will be hesitation giving his resounding success as him as head coach. A top 5 Bucs coach of all time batting 1,000 on playoff appearences (of course, this all goes to shit if they lose to the Saints which is entirely possible)
and im strictly talking backlash throughout the NFL. The actual national media will be busy enough with a new administration so it may only be news for a day; but yeah it's negative publicity that the Glazers will have to navigate somehow.
The difference is we play in a shit division.
Bengals and Lions play in good divisions.
The comparisons just get more and more lazy.
