I can't recall an OC getting so many comments and press as this QB coach.
I can't recall an OC getting so many comments and press as this QB coach.
Guess it speaks volumes to how inept the last one was.
Andy Reid was the Packers QB coach when the Eagles made him a HC , so what’s your point ?
Another solid write up by an old poster @nobody ...
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Alright, so I've listened to his PC, and done enough research plus tape review to put some thoughts out here that I think have a fair (certainly not a lock) chance of holding up after year 1. This is just a pile of notes and then a few conclusions at the bottom.
PERSONNEL, FORMATION, MOTION, TEMPO
* I would expect a much higher frequency of 12 personnel with Otton and Kieft than we've seen.
* They love presnap motion of all kinds. They love moving their TE's and Slot players around at the snap and they'll do that after shifts. They get a lot of H-back motion mileage of all kinds of variety.
* You see a lot of intra-drive, situational tempo changes to eff with the defense and pick up an easy 1st down on & short or an easy pitch & catch chunk on 1st down.
RUN GAME
* Highest % of Zone annually for the last 5 years. KC and SF are a little behind but pretty close. Seattle is annually 68-70 % Zone in the run game with a very large % of that being Outside Zone where schematically you're bucket stepping > trying to outflank and seal > win the edge or create a cutback. They also do a host of things schematically to screw with run fits on the edge and hold the backside (which is normal in Outside Zone-heavy schemes) from WR Jet Motion the other way to a Boot-heavy package to sliding a TE under the formation the other way (which works with their Boot package).
* You see Seattle RB's have very productive (and extremely well-graded) years without upper echelon (or even passingly "mediocre") Run Blocking because of what they do schematically in the running game + surely how well they've taught the Zone system to all of their RBs over the years. Their OL do just enough while the scheme and very process + RB play does the rest. Raschad White should_absolutely_flourish in this offense. It plays right into his skillset.
* This is a HUGE change for us. The last 3 years (and 2 years especially), we were nearly the inverse. We've been Duo/Gap-heavy. About 2/3 of our Running Game is Big on Big or Seal & Pull. We double and climb and drive block and we don't do shenanigans to hold the backside or screw with run fits. That is not the Seahawk's scheme. I'm skeptical about certain personnel up front, but, as I wrote above, the effectiveness of this running game hasn't hinged upon outstanding personnel and dominating OL play. Its scheme + do enough with OL/TE + great WR blocking (we've got that!) + fantastic processers and balance-after-contact players at the RB position.
* They will absolutely run the ball on 3rd and 3 and you can even push that out to 4.
PASSING GAME
* Unlike TB of yore, this is not a Screen-heavy offense. Maybe that will tick up a bit given Godwin's capabilities there, but historically, they're low on Screen Targets. Arians et al offense uses the Perimeter Screen game as an extension of the Run Game. This offense has just used the Zone running game and various wrinkles off of that to generate a (hopefully) quick 5-6 yards off offense off an easy throw.
* Speaking of the above, (and again, unlike TB's offense the last years), they have a LOT of various Quick Game, leverage-based pitch & catch packages to take the duress off the QB position. Think Sean Payton type stuff here.
* A lot of pocket-moving, Sprint + Out/Hitch, a lot of play-action boot w/ a shallow cross or a TE sliding under the formation to mirror.
* An abundance of Levels concepts where you've got horizontals in opposite directions at 2, 8, 15 yards with a deep Over or a vert to stretch vertically.
* 25 % play-action vs our 15 and change last year. The last 3 years they've been between 25-30 % annually. They don't play-action as much as the tops in the league (they're about # 10/11 %-wise last 3 years), but they're about where we were in 2021 when we were # 1 DVOA Offense.
* When they do play-action, its two varieties. The first is the Outside Zone Boot game mentioned above where they're putting pressure on the flank or on one or two defenders and trying to generate 5 yards minimum (6+ on outflank or tackle-break or maybe a chunk on a bust) with layered Crosses the other way. The second is the explosives where they like to go Heavy personnel, max-protect and go verts with a lot of 9s and Deep Comebacks (Mike should flourish here) with a Corner or Deep Route under the 9 and maybe an Over route from the other side.
* Their 1st down passing % is pretty volatile year-to-year. Its hovered around 50 % mean with 54 % on the high end. Would like to see that mean be where the high end is minimum. But we'll see what it looks like with Canales calling plays and how much that 1st down frequency skews downward without a running threat QB to feature in the Pistol/ZRO/RPO game.
- Alright, that is what I'm seeing from the tape, from the data, and Canales PC. That is roughly my expectation in what we'll see. Pretty close to a reversal in most every key way.
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Good stuff as usual.
Great thanks for posting
Josh Queipo of PR, had some great film breakdown on Canales and the potential schemes he may run.
Good stuff to check out.
I can't recall an OC getting so many comments and press as this QB coach.
Well, now he’s already being linked to potential HC vacancies next season.
So, there’s that.
Keeping him may be our challenge because he's a pretty impressive coach
I think it’s too early for him to take on a role like that.
But, yeah, he has the makings of a future HC.
An offense suited for the modern NFL. Willing to adapt. Accountability.
And, look at what he’s done with Geno and Baker in such a short period of time.
“Underrated subtext of this message is how the scheme isn’t asking Mayfield 2 have 2 make a ton of difficult throws. As a matter of fact he now has more TWP than he does BTT on the season. Still playing well OVR bc 4 the most part he is limiting the TWP and making good decisions.”
- Josh Queipo (Pewter Report) via Twitter
“Despite two RZ touchdowns Trey Palmer has not lit up the stats sheet so far. But make know mistake, he is influencing the game. NO in C2M and Palmer releases vertically from 2. Draws both safeties and opens up the crosser for Godwin.”
- Josh Queipo via Twitter
“Two route combo. Godwins pre-snap motion coupled with Evans' subtle inside move to start his stem create natural leverage to the outside. Godwin runs away from his man. Two routes...both open.”
- Josh Queipo via Twitter
“Neat little man beater from Canales up top with Thompkins and Palmer. Looks like a switch release, but then Thompkins sticks his foot in the ground and breaks back inside. Leftwich probably doesn't even know this is legal smh”
- Jon Ledyard via Twitter
“Neat little man beater from Canales up top with Thompkins and Palmer. Looks like a switch release, but then Thompkins sticks his foot in the ground and breaks back inside. Leftwich probably doesn't even know this is legal smh”
- Jon Ledyard via Twitter
They ran this play a couple times that drive, only the second time was mirrored to the other side of the field. Very nice design, and it worked both times in the same drive.
They ran this play a couple times that drive, only the second time was mirrored to the other side of the field. Very nice design, and it worked both times in the same drive.
Yeah.
Looking over the All-22, it was pretty clear Dave was in his bag.
Still some big play opportunities are being missed by Baker (DT play referenced earlier), but I’m thinking those will come in time as gets more comfortable with the system.
