3 years and he'll be a HC somewhere if we keep winning, I do love his candidness, his ability to accept fault, and fixing his ways. One of the great traits is personal development
Why would anybody let factual information change their inferior opinions?
It's a helluva question that the dumbass duo are unable to answer, either directly or indirectly.
Carroll-style offense would drive some of the fans here nuts
On his offense emphasizing the run
Through the first quarter of the season, we have more factual evidence to ignore:
126 Pass Attempts
117 Rush Attempts
Quite a few of those are QB runs from either broken-down pass plays or QB kneeling in VFormation, as Mayfield is the second leading rusher in attempts and yards. Doesn't really look like the offense is emphasizing the run. Shocker.
Why would anybody let factual information change their inferior opinions?
It's a helluva question that the dumbass duo are unable to answer, either directly or indirectly.
Carroll-style offense would drive some of the fans here nuts
On his offense emphasizing the run
Through the first quarter of the season, we have more factual evidence to ignore:
126 Pass Attempts
117 Rush Attempts
Quite a few of those are QB runs from either broken-down pass plays or QB kneeling in VFormation, as Mayfield is the second leading rusher in attempts and yards. Doesn't really look like the offense is emphasizing the run. Shocker.
weird to try troll by pointing out what I said CORRECTLY.
IT IS the Carroll style offense and the philosophy that has mayfield scrambling rather then throwing picks.
last season we are 65/35 pass to run. This season balanced, AS YOU KEEP pointing out … thank you. There are people posting here AGAINST the commitment to running (my post and point). And your boy Donkey is on here posting that this is NOT last years Seattle offense (your claim)
Funny thing is your actually responding to a different posters comment about Carroll but “angry guy” has got the best of you… as usual
weird to try troll by pointing out what I said CORRECTLY.
Lolz, shameless.
SI has article lining Canales to the Bears
havent read it so dont know if its sourced but obviously Canales as the QB turnaround guy for Fields
lol
SI has article lining Canales to the Bears
havent read it so dont know if its sourced but obviously Canales as the QB turnaround guy for Fields
lol
Sourced to PFF and he's just one of several
Bucs are ranked 2nd in Play Action attempts.
Canales gets it.
Bucs are ranked 2nd in Play Action attempts.
Canales gets it.
and he gets it in terms of a BALANCED OFFENSE (a la Carroll).
Thats what the Bucs LACKED last year (65/35 pass to run) and that is PRECISELY what the Seahawks LACKED . . . LAST YEAR, both teams bounced out early not a coincidence
this is CARROLL talking LAST YEAR about the Waldron offense when the Seahawk's went on their slide:
"“We’ve found our way into an inconsistency here of getting started at the line of scrimmage," Carroll told reporters on Monday, bemoaning the fact Seattle only ran the ball seven times in the first half. "We haven’t been able to get popping like we have. We have seen a lot of big plays come out of this run game that kind of have gone away for a while. That’s not what we want to rely on, but they have been good to us, so we have to hit our spots, we have to hit our landmarks right, have to get it right, make sure we are taking advantage of it, and we need more turns, we need to run the ball more." **
Bowles, Carroll and Canales all believe in a BALANCED offense to maximize that play action, hit explosives etc.
-- for Buggsy, in the article with the quote above, this is how the author describes CARROLL - "But the charismatic coach has to be even more exasperated by the complete and utter disappearance of their once-potent run game offensively. A known advocate for a balanced offense centered around a consistent, capable ground game and ball control, he has only been able to witness opponents execute that formula to perfection against his team over the past month and change."
Someone else described Carroll as "ground and pound."
not me LOL
Canales AFTER the Eagles game . . . sounds like Carroll (and Bowles):
"“I think, again, that’s just a rep thing at this point in three games. We have to continue to stay with it, and I think one thing you’ll learn is I’m going to be a little bit stubborn about running that ball and having that balance. It’s not going to be that we’re just going to run it every time, but in our self-scout up to this point, it’s been a good balance. I think we’ll continue to improve as they get more reps and more rhythm with the runs.”
and he gets it in terms of a BALANCED OFFENSE (a la Carroll).
Someone else described Carroll as "ground and pound."
not me LOL
Shameless. Completely shameless. You made the infamous "Carroll-style offense would drive some of the fans here nuts" statement, implying Carroll (and Canales by association) was a run-first (read "ground and pound") coach. That was refuted with Carroll isn't the same HC from the 'teens (when they were run-heavy) and accompanied with facts that back up this statement. You, being the clueless boob you are, ignored the facts that refuted your ignorance and doubled-down on foolishness. You went on for thread after thread after thread talking about how Pete Carroll's teams wanted to be run-first - providing quotes from the years he was run-first.
I'm going to end this once and for all, with many of your ignorant, dumbass quotes for you act like you weren't saying what you are very clearly are saying:
This is Carroll discussing a nine season chart of Seahawks offense
"“Let’s go back, let me answer your question,” Carroll said after our conversation had gone in a couple of different directions. He pointed on the chart to Seattle’s 2013 and 2014 Super Bowl seasons, when the team leaned heavily toward the run but not as heavily as last season. Carroll suggested that is where the Seahawks would prefer to be, closer to 40-45 percent pass in those neutral situations."
From 2010 to 2018 the average NFL team PASSED about 50-52% on true neutral downs while Carroll's Seahawks were around 42%. So taht quote above is when the Seahawks were roughly 35% and so hes saying hed like to see them pass more to get back to 42% LMAO
That quote is from an article that includes THIS:
Seahawks are a major outlier
Oates, like the analytics community today, increasingly saw football as a race for the lead. This was because, in a league designed for parity, teams that scored first won 60 to 70 percent of the time, depending on whether they scored field goals or touchdowns. That advantage endures. Passing is the fastest way to score, so why not pass more in the early going?
Because … Carroll’s Seahawks do not have to?
As noted at the outset, the 2018 Seahawks were the run-heaviest team on early downs in the first 28 minutes since the Tebow-led 2011 Broncos. Carroll’s harshest critics called this a waste of a talented quarterback and borderline malpractice. On the other hand, check out where Seattle ranked last season during those exceedingly run-heavy first 28 minutes of games:
- First in fewest turnovers (two)
- Second in EPA per pass attempt (.29)
- Fourth in explosive pass rate (20.9 percent)
- Fifth in offensive points per game (11.7)
- Sixth in third-down EPA per play (.24)
- Ninth in total offensive EPA (4.0)
The Seahawks also ranked tied for first in opponent turnovers collected (13) during the first 28 minutes of those games, which benefited their offense."
THOSE ARE CALLED FACTS
A Pete Carroll offense is RUN FIRST to protect the ball and set up explosives, to win with defense, in part by winning the turnover battle, PARTICULARLY EARLY IN THE GAME
If you want keep trying to counter AN ENTIRE CAREER with last season (when they were 8-9 and COULD NOT STOP ANYONE) have at it .. . . ROFLMAO . .
..PLEASE KEEP CLAIMING I AM "MISTIFIED" BY FOOTBALL WHILE YOU ARGUE THAT A CARROLL OFFENSE IS A PASSING OFFENSE BECAUSE of 2022 . .
that ONLY emphasizes that you are an INSECURE clown who cannot admit he's wrong so you'll go through "the Buggsy progression" which is to shift, deflect and even MAKE SHIT UP
Keep going Buggsy . . . you've almost convinced me . . .
:-)
Carroll-style offense would drive some of the fans here nuts
"SEATTLE, Wash. — Throughout his storied history as a head football coach, Pete Carroll has stuck to two core tenets: maximize the team’s defensive potential and establish the running game. Now, without a defined option for the starting quarterback position and the ‘Let Russ Cook’ movement in the rearview, Carroll has a clear pathway to rebuilding the Seattle Seahawks under his own accord.
The numbers back up Carroll’s beliefs — Seattle is second in total rushing yards (25,0002) and tied for second in yards per carry (4.5) since he became the team’s head coach in 2010. Beyond the efficiency, Carroll’s offense generally includes a high volume of carries, ranking third in total rush attempts with 5,550 handoffs during his tenure."
Yes. Literally. I am a Carroll fan but at one point people referred to his offensive philosophy as RRP… that stand for RUN. Run AGAIN. Pass
Carroll’s run first philosophy actually comes from a CONSERVATIVE belief that you mess things up less when you run and that you “establish the run” to set up explosive plays… the same ARIANS philosophy the Bucs employed in fact, Carroll is closer to Bowles than Arians his teams are typically great defensive teams who run the shit out of it to NOT LOSE
if you look you’ll, even find Carroll saying things like an offense can’t function without the run because you need to own up space by draw8mg linebacker in. in fact, you will find a quote of Carroll embracing the comparison of his offense to the old Packers
again, I am a fan AND I don’t agree that our OC will necessary follow Carroll but if you’re not an idiot like Buggsy (calling out last year lol) and you look at Carrolls ENTIRE career with the Seahawks you will probably find that EVEN WITH WILSON they were way more likely to run than most teams on neutral downs
Carroll would rather run than anything - they couldn’t stop people.
Carroll has been a HC for decades. He is SYNONYMOUS with tough defensive teams that play very conservative run oriented offense.
it a credit to him.
For much of the Pete Carroll era, Seattle has preferred to lean on its running game rather than the other way around.
FOR ANYONE WHO CAN READ A BIT (that excludes you Buggsy) there's tons of info out there about RUSSELL WILSON trying to get the Seahawks to open up their very conservative RUN FIRST offense.
its hilarious watching two guys who led the "run on 1st down" complaints now choked down the potential of having a MORE conservative, RUN RUN PASS coordinator
All of the above quotes are from just one thread. There were multiple others where the dingleberry made the same ignorant arguments. Everyone will notice the word "balance" isn't mentioned in any of these posts. There is a reason for that shift in argument. The phrase you'll consistently see is "run first", which is the same thing as "ground and pound" - whether the football simpleton realizes it or not. The football simpleton was still under the impression that the Seahawks offense was the same as it was in the 'teens, which isn't an unforgivable sin. That was the battle-cry all offseason. Not everybody follows the breadth of the NFL and knows who Shane Waldron was and what he's done since arriving in Seattle. But once facts are offered that prove you wrong, it's customary to acknowledge that. Then there's you and the backbreaking aerobics you attempt to pull off but fail miserably.
The bottom line is, in the three games the team won, the offense came out throwing the ball to get the lead in the first half and some of Q3, while finishing off the game running the ball with a lead. This is modern-day NFL football. Something even Pete Carroll realized a few years ago.
Look, I'm well aware of your slimeball MO. You love to act as if you didn't actually say what you actually said for months. I won't be responding to anymore of your nonsense. You've proven yourself time and time again to be shameless slimeball that lacks any and all self-awareness. I'll simply go back to mocking the bejesus out of your pathetic ass.
implying Carroll (and Canales by association) was a run-first (read "ground and pound") coach.
Buggsy, you are actually highlighting your own reading error by using the word “implying””
you use that word because I never said Carroll was “ground and pound” because he’s not. That was another poster.
You love to act as if you didn't actually say what you actually said for months.
They are words posted on a website. It’s not on me that you can’t read (or let your anger overcome your reading). The words are still there. It’s not a verbal conversation
I won't be responding to anymore of your nonsense.
Everyone here knows that’s not true at all
I wish you would
To instill a balanced offense with a bad o-line takes a strong commitment to ignore fans who say “why are we running when we can’t”
this objective are here on this site (as predicted) AND WE ARE WINNING.
IF WE were losing everyone would be calling for Canales head as he stuck with the run in the losing effort.
THAT IS AND WAS THE BASIS FOR MY COMMENT SBOUT CARROLL
