So Thad Lewis was an intern in 2020.
In 2021, he was assistant wide receivers coach
in 2023, he was promoted to quarterbacks coach
seems a little green. for sure, hope we dont hastily just promote him and actually consider some other hires
in other news, imagine picking Raheem Morris over Bill Belichick lmao. Maybe Bill didnt want to coach the Falcons
With all the moves it's going to be really interesting to see what we do versus the other NFC South teams. I wouldn't be totally shocked if Mayfield goes back to the Panthers to play with Canales since they also have a new GM. Wouldn't be shocked if he stayed or went somewhere else. Who knows? But the situation could end up biting us in the ass. This really goes back to whether or not Bowles should have even been retained after last season, but I understand why they kept him. And does put some pressure on the Glazers to think about whether or not Todd is still the guy going forward now that his OC that was instrumental in this team getting into the playoffs is gone. He'll also be familiar with how to attack our defense, one that struggled enough last year. On top of that, if Mayfield does leave, then that goes right back to why we started him in the first place this season, and puts us back in the QB conundrum we were in before. We still don't know if Trask can do it or not, so do we then spend a high draft pick on another QB? Find one in FA?
What a mess. In all honesty, if the Glazers were forward looking, they would see that Bowles has struggled to get us winning, struggled to bring in an OC last year, and is likely to struggle to be a winner next year. Might be time to just rip the band-aid off and move on and hire Monken or Johnson to take over (or maybe someone else), and just get the reset over with. I don't think the fans really want to watch the team stretch out a series of mediocre years where we are winning 8-10 games every year and getting knocked out of the playoffs when we do get in. We want a contender. I'll also say that Dave Canales is likely going to struggle to get that Panthers team to be consistent winners. Probably be the next Raheem and end up going back to the lesser coaching ranks until he can build his brand back up.
In Licht I trust. When we were passed up by Monken and Pitcher this past offseason for our open OC position, many fans were critical and said "WHO?" when we brought in Canales. Surprisingly, it was a great hire by Licht. Here's to hoping we find a coach who can fit in and build off the successful culture our organization has established these last few years.
A few names I would like us to interview:
- Kellen Moore
- Ken Dorsey
- Pete Charmichael
- Jim Bob Cooter
- Klint Kubiak
I just looked at Carolina's salary cap for next year on overthecap, and sportrac and all I can say is woof ! They're currently slated with 28 mil in cap space for 2024, while also having 18 players slotted for UFA, the big ones being CJ Henderson, DJ Chark, Luvu, Burns, and Shaq Griffin. That along with the previously mentioned lack of draft capital, Dan Morgan and whomever is ultimately signed as their next head coach are going to have a massive project on their hands.
If they lose Evero they are starting over on defense along with the offense.
With all the moves it's going to be really interesting to see what we do versus the other NFC South teams. I wouldn't be totally shocked if Mayfield goes back to the Panthers to play with Canales since they also have a new GM. Wouldn't be shocked if he stayed or went somewhere else. Who knows? But the situation could end up biting us in the ass. This really goes back to whether or not Bowles should have even been retained after last season, but I understand why they kept him. And does put some pressure on the Glazers to think about whether or not Todd is still the guy going forward now that his OC that was instrumental in this team getting into the playoffs is gone. He'll also be familiar with how to attack our defense, one that struggled enough last year. On top of that, if Mayfield does leave, then that goes right back to why we started him in the first place this season, and puts us back in the QB conundrum we were in before. We still don't know if Trask can do it or not, so do we then spend a high draft pick on another QB? Find one in FA?
What a mess. In all honesty, if the Glazers were forward looking, they would see that Bowles has struggled to get us winning, struggled to bring in an OC last year, and is likely to struggle to be a winner next year. Might be time to just rip the band-aid off and move on and hire Monken or Johnson to take over (or maybe someone else), and just get the reset over with. I don't think the fans really want to watch the team stretch out a series of mediocre years where we are winning 8-10 games every year and getting knocked out of the playoffs when we do get in. We want a contender. I'll also say that Dave Canales is likely going to struggle to get that Panthers team to be consistent winners. Probably be the next Raheem and end up going back to the lesser coaching ranks until he can build his brand back up.
the amount of backlash the glazers would receive for firing a black head coach that has back to back division titles, particularly one that significantly overachieved this year would make the dolphins- Flores situation look Busch league. It would be very Gruden email-Esq per se
I’m with you in terms of Bowles being the wrong hire but given what occurred in March 2022, they had no choice but to promote from within and it sure as hell wasn’t going to be leftwich. Offensive minded head coach should be the choice but their hands were tied at the time since leftwich was so inept and it was well into the season when Brady returned and Arians retired
bowles earned another year but those suggesting they should move on after the guy won a playoff game and was one possession away from NFC champ game, with no expectations this year eating salary cap charges, you’re delusional.
now, we may be calling for Bowles head mid year through 2024 season, But that doesn’t change the fact that this year 6-2 run to end the season was phenomenal
they better thoroughly think about next OC and highly doubt it had any barring on mayfield or evans returning. We pick in the 20s, have no other option on the roster, and it’s either cousins Wilson or mayfield in free agency; any OC joining will be on board with mayfield evans
also, Carolina has no interest in Mayfield. Pretty sure they wouldn’t trade all the first for young to give up on him after one year
You don't let a young promising player go, and you don't let a young promising coach go. But this is the Bucs, if it's the wrong decision it's almost guaranteed we'll make it. It's almost guaranteed he told the front office that he'd stay if he was promoted to HC and that's a promotion you give him. Especially when the current HC just had his first winning season ever and needed a laughably easy schedule and horrible division, facing the worst team in the NFL twice, to get it.
With all the moves it's going to be really interesting to see what we do versus the other NFC South teams. I wouldn't be totally shocked if Mayfield goes back to the Panthers to play with Canales since they also have a new GM. Wouldn't be shocked if he stayed or went somewhere else. Who knows? But the situation could end up biting us in the ass. This really goes back to whether or not Bowles should have even been retained after last season, but I understand why they kept him. And does put some pressure on the Glazers to think about whether or not Todd is still the guy going forward now that his OC that was instrumental in this team getting into the playoffs is gone. He'll also be familiar with how to attack our defense, one that struggled enough last year. On top of that, if Mayfield does leave, then that goes right back to why we started him in the first place this season, and puts us back in the QB conundrum we were in before. We still don't know if Trask can do it or not, so do we then spend a high draft pick on another QB? Find one in FA?
What a mess. In all honesty, if the Glazers were forward looking, they would see that Bowles has struggled to get us winning, struggled to bring in an OC last year, and is likely to struggle to be a winner next year. Might be time to just rip the band-aid off and move on and hire Monken or Johnson to take over (or maybe someone else), and just get the reset over with. I don't think the fans really want to watch the team stretch out a series of mediocre years where we are winning 8-10 games every year and getting knocked out of the playoffs when we do get in. We want a contender. I'll also say that Dave Canales is likely going to struggle to get that Panthers team to be consistent winners. Probably be the next Raheem and end up going back to the lesser coaching ranks until he can build his brand back up.
the amount of backlash the glazers would receive for firing a black head coach that has back to back division titles, particularly one that significantly overachieved this year would make the dolphins- Flores situation look Busch league. It would be very Gruden email-Esq per se
I’m with you in terms of Bowles being the wrong hire but given what occurred in March 2022, they had no choice but to promote from within and it sure as hell wasn’t going to be leftwich. Offensive minded head coach should be the choice but their hands were tied at the time since leftwich was so inept and it was well into the season when Brady returned and Arians retired
bowles earned another year but those suggesting they should move on after the guy won a playoff game and was one possession away from NFC champ game, with no expectations this year eating salary cap charges, you’re delusional.
now, we may be calling for Bowles head mid year through 2024 season, But that doesn’t change the fact that this year 6-2 run to end the season was phenomenal
they better thoroughly think about next OC and highly doubt it had any barring on mayfield or evans returning. We pick in the 20s, have no other option on the roster, and it’s either cousins Wilson or mayfield in free agency; any OC joining will be on board with mayfield evans
also, Carolina has no interest in Mayfield. Pretty sure they wouldn’t trade all the first for young to give up on him after one year
Who cares what the backlash would've been. You don't let race baiting cowardly fools dictate what society can and can't do. Context matters and anyone paying attention knows this team won via circumstance (schedule/division), not coaching. The woke simpletons will never be satisfied, if every single coach in the NFL was black they'd start whining that every assistant coach isn't black. Once that happened, they'd need to be gay. After that, transgender. After that they need to be women. It never ends because they don't actually care about the things they claim to anyways, they just want to complain.
Bowles isn't a terrible coach but he definitely isn't a good one and he's not the future here, Canales had the potential to be but now that will be with another franchise.
He's gone. Carolina is such a shit show lol... dude has 1 year of calling plays.
Insane
I used to believe you had to be a good playcaller to be a good head coach. But after watching so many really, really good play callers fail as Head Coaches, that belief started to wane. Being a Head Coach is more about being a leader than it is being a good playcaller. Hell, three of the four Head Coaches remaining in the playoffs never were Offensive/Defensive Coordinators (Kyle Shanahan is the lone exception) before being hired as Head Coaches.
I have no idea if Canales possess the qualities necessary to be a good HC or not. But his lack of experience as an offensive playcaller won't be what stops him. Since Carolina is division opponent, I don't want him to succeed. He's already starting out behind the eight-ball with that dickhead owner he'll be working for.
2 things.
1. Agreed with the Leader trait. The good/REAL ONES, were Leaders First and "play designers/callers" 2nd.
2. The waning belief. Unfortunately, I find myself having waning belief in many "things" aside from just football, football is just one more place under attack from...not sure. Anyhoo, I half (50.5%) and half (49.5%) wanna see him Succeed and fail-I just wish he had stayed just one more year. Dammit C, may your first year as HC find Waning Belief in the Panthers organization and you will long to have taken Pause (or a Time OUT) before, Dumping US, for the Panthers. I dont care if the panther people, were your Ex's.
I used to believe you had to be a good playcaller to be a good head coach. But after watching so many really, really good play callers fail as Head Coaches, that belief started to wane. Being a Head Coach is more about being a leader than it is being a good playcaller. Hell, three of the four Head Coaches remaining in the playoffs never were Offensive/Defensive Coordinators (Kyle Shanahan is the lone exception) before being hired as Head Coaches.
I have no idea if Canales possess the qualities necessary to be a good HC or not. But his lack of experience as an offensive playcaller won't be what stops him. Since Carolina is division opponent, I don't want him to succeed. He's already starting out behind the eight-ball with that dickhead owner he'll be working for.
I generally agree Biggs. I used to think that way as well, then once John Harbaugh took over and had much success with Baltimore I too started looking more closely at other attributes. As you said I think organizational skills along with leadership/motivational skills and the ability to delegate play larger roles in the success of a head coach. Sure experience as a play caller is definitely a plus, but really only makes a huge deal if said coach is going to be calling their own plays ( which I think Canales will take a shot at ). I know coaches are mercenaries much like players, but this one stings a little more as I was looking forward to seeing what his offense evolved into in year 2. If he does ultimately take this job with the Panthers then I wish him nothing but failure for the duration of his time as their HC. He's comes across as a nice guy and is obviously very bright, but to go to a division rival feels like (what i would imagine) your fiancé leaving you to marry your brother.
On to the next matter at hand. Who are some of the bright up and coming offensive minds in the college and pro ranks ? I've heard Brian Griese mentioned, but aside from him who's out there that could really help this offense grow ? Also as I mentioned in the offseason post, how is this year different from last year in terms of Bowles job security ? I know he won a playoff game (against a nosediving Eagles team ) but will we have an easier time finding coordinators this year, or will it be back to the same ole same ole that we went through with our coaching search last year due to questions of Bowles job security ?
Again, agreed. Theres far more to a Teams Momentum that X's and O's. Reflecting on it for a moment, I suppose that an organization and also be influenced by momentum as well, but like in a single football game (see Heart Break City vs Lions) or over a single season-I present Bucs 2023/4 as an example of momentum over a game and season by the 53 men and coaches. (P)Ma'best example of Organizations with Momentum are the Chiefs, Ravens, and of course...the Patriots for a decade which, thankfully has now passed. Its the age of P'Ma and Andy Reid, 2 leaders and generals....one off the field and one on. How can we finagle/MacGyver a similar environment for Baker. Baker to me is like P'Ma in a way, albiet farrrr less succesful. P'Ma is FULL of Xfactor-FULL of it- Baller may have even more MoXie though, they are both shortish by "standards" and play Grit and HEART football. Both have Arm Talent and can run a bit when necessary. I wonder what It would look like if Reid (or ANYONE for ThaT maTter-as long as its for more than 1!!! Year) had been able to coach Baller like he did with P'Ma, and tempered him with CAREful coaching. Listen, if anyone on the team reads these boards. IMHO, the most important thing we can do in THIS OFFseason is to Keep what We GOT player-wise, and HIT A Mtha'fkn homeRun with OC- and HOPE that if they find success, they are more LOYAL to the BUCCANEERS (players, coaches, all staff, Fans, and Owners) Than we just saw from C who left to take the HC job in that dump of a football Citi (Last time the panthers were good- They still had DeLLLL'HOMIE and Steve Smith-who was alil AZZholY). Baller CANNOT become more consistent if his FOUNDATION changes every year, who could do that, and who even expects that reasonably from another human being. Anyhoo, I say fk it, BA back to HC, he can even call plays from the booth or his couch- all he needs to do is bring back Risk it no Biscuit, Put GW!!!!4 back to slot, and tweak his system to be fast uptempo but Moah short to middle distance, with occasional shots way down the field when we catch them with their pants down. Put Bowles back at DC where he can be an Elephant. Then the year after- Canales can come back as OC, and JL can Hire ME for HC. At the very least, I can call a timeout, but knowing me....I woulda been fined Heavili buy the referee for that abortion of a game. I would gone for the 2 point conversion, I would have thrown to 14 tho- there and the last INT. All year it was said, when you have a "MUST HAVE PLAY-GW!!!!4" but neither of them went to'em... Anyhoo, im getting worked up again because fate wont let us catch a break. BUT FK YOU FATE!!!!!! Even U We will BreaK.
Panthers D was top 5 , no ?
4th in Yards
29th in Scoring
23rd in Rushing
3rd in Passing
What those numbers tell me is opposing offenses weren't really trying to push the ball down the field because they already had the game wrapped up pretty early. The 2-15 record and -180 point differential help confirm that.
Excellent extrapolation Biggs
I’m not convinced Bowles will be back. Doesn’t it make sense to go after one of the top tier offensive coaches to lead the team now?
Very good- Given that OC's and DC's no longer have a very long shelf life, I would say having and offensive system IN PLACE for many years may be Moah important NOW compared to years past, simply because the NFL leans heavily towards offense and the entertainment value of offensive playmaking as opposed to the more workman defensive first paradigm that Died after 2002 (not just the Bucs-but league wide...its a Franchise QB/HC combo league right now). We gotta NAIL the QB (IMHO Baller- I LOVE his POTENTIAL/what if)+ Coach/system problem. Thats on JL, and I think you may be right, Bowles to DC as penalti for what happened in Big D- troit when his supposedly Big D went limp in the 4th quarter...add in the TO and lack of adjustments + offensive driven league + Organizational momentum currently dictated by a VERY STRONG HC and QB dynamic....and the proper "chess move" IMHO, is to demote B2DC, then who for HC/OC to Marri with Baller? Someone who is a Leader first...Harbaugh was a great example, but the Maverick move here is to somehow somewAy get BA- it would essentially be "hiring" from within. He's familiar with the current system in place, had the BALLZ of a LEADER!!!! and Has been known to be an offensive GENIUS by some (me included), sans that, I dunno...maybe Ben Johnson as HC from the Lions, he got Go(o)FF ready to play, IM SURE Baller can be at the basement minimum as good a QB as Goff with proper coaching, development, and continuiti. I out for now. Tata 4 now.
in other news, imagine picking Raheem Morris over Bill Belichick lmao. Maybe Bill didnt want to coach the Falcons
I honestly think Bb sucks. Hes a little dictator of a coach. Has he done a single thing without TB12?
With all the moves it's going to be really interesting to see what we do versus the other NFC South teams. I wouldn't be totally shocked if Mayfield goes back to the Panthers to play with Canales since they also have a new GM. Wouldn't be shocked if he stayed or went somewhere else. Who knows? But the situation could end up biting us in the ass. This really goes back to whether or not Bowles should have even been retained after last season, but I understand why they kept him. And does put some pressure on the Glazers to think about whether or not Todd is still the guy going forward now that his OC that was instrumental in this team getting into the playoffs is gone. He'll also be familiar with how to attack our defense, one that struggled enough last year. On top of that, if Mayfield does leave, then that goes right back to why we started him in the first place this season, and puts us back in the QB conundrum we were in before. We still don't know if Trask can do it or not, so do we then spend a high draft pick on another QB? Find one in FA?
What a mess. In all honesty, if the Glazers were forward looking, they would see that Bowles has struggled to get us winning, struggled to bring in an OC last year, and is likely to struggle to be a winner next year. Might be time to just rip the band-aid off and move on and hire Monken or Johnson to take over (or maybe someone else), and just get the reset over with. I don't think the fans really want to watch the team stretch out a series of mediocre years where we are winning 8-10 games every year and getting knocked out of the playoffs when we do get in. We want a contender. I'll also say that Dave Canales is likely going to struggle to get that Panthers team to be consistent winners. Probably be the next Raheem and end up going back to the lesser coaching ranks until he can build his brand back up.
the amount of backlash the glazers would receive for firing a black head coach that has back to back division titles, particularly one that significantly overachieved this year would make the dolphins- Flores situation look Busch league. It would be very Gruden email-Esq per se
I’m with you in terms of Bowles being the wrong hire but given what occurred in March 2022, they had no choice but to promote from within and it sure as hell wasn’t going to be leftwich. Offensive minded head coach should be the choice but their hands were tied at the time since leftwich was so inept and it was well into the season when Brady returned and Arians retired
bowles earned another year but those suggesting they should move on after the guy won a playoff game and was one possession away from NFC champ game, with no expectations this year eating salary cap charges, you’re delusional.
now, we may be calling for Bowles head mid year through 2024 season, But that doesn’t change the fact that this year 6-2 run to end the season was phenomenal
they better thoroughly think about next OC and highly doubt it had any barring on mayfield or evans returning. We pick in the 20s, have no other option on the roster, and it’s either cousins Wilson or mayfield in free agency; any OC joining will be on board with mayfield evans
also, Carolina has no interest in Mayfield. Pretty sure they wouldn’t trade all the first for young to give up on him after one year
Who cares what the backlash would've been. You don't let race baiting cowardly fools dictate what society can and can't do. Context matters and anyone paying attention knows this team won via circumstance (schedule/division), not coaching. The woke simpletons will never be satisfied, if every single coach in the NFL was black they'd start whining that every assistant coach isn't black. Once that happened, they'd need to be gay. After that, transgender. After that they need to be women. It never ends because they don't actually care about the things they claim to anyways, they just want to complain.
Bowles isn't a terrible coach but he definitely isn't a good one and he's not the future here, Canales had the potential to be but now that will be with another franchise.
Agreed. At this point JL and the Glazers need to show Buc Nation (In One BUCC -just for U 2c's- Place and the Fan Nation) if their D in Stout or Limp? Make a Maverick move here JL, the normal Iceman flying here isnt gonna CUT it, you need to think WAYYY outside the box. The Glazers can do it, theyve done it a few times infact....Hiring Gruden for 2002, Getting BA BACK into coaching (can you make that Miracle happen AGAIN), getting the GOAT for 2021, Getting Rob G out of retir'i. They've done alot and gone ALL IN several times, but always privateli, we never ever hear a Peep from them, its honestli, thats how it should b, du your best work in private. Yeah, Go BIG or Go Home...let the Lions game prove that to U, we ended small, but we can come back next year BIG if U nail it. That Johnson fellow from the Lions and Even Bob Griese (NOW that IS a FORGOTTEN Name from the Gruden DARK Ages- He actually wasnt that bad aside from being like Winstonesque with the PICKs) are intriguing options, but still...I think we need something even more Mav-Like BA BAck. Hmmm Jimmy Johnson...he loves the weather here. TB12, could he coach, would he even be willing to...NOW THAT WOULD BE BALLZ. TB12 as HC, he has the LEADER FACTOR in SPADES, carry over the old playbook and work with Baller and co over the offseason to learn it and grind it until you know it like the back of your hand then let TB 12 LEAD WITH Baller...that 2 MOXIE AF people and THAT COULD be the most BaLLZ Mav move that would marry our HC and QB for the next 10 years. BA can be OC from the Booth for a year and mentor TB12 (unless the smoke was real regarding a rift). Even if TB didnt have a coaching bone in his bodi, I would try ThIs, Pay him, given him stake in ownership of the team, and let his personal passion and work ethic take over, if He->TB(12) puts his mind to it, IM 7SBrings positive he can DO anything he wants/applies himself too. Their we have it, Offensive minded Coach, Who BTW is the GOAT, has LEADERSHIP, can Learn to Function as QB coach/OC/and HC, just give him !/1 offseason to try it with Baller and Co...just how to entice him??? It would be a challenge Worthi of TB, and he can put yeat another Stamp on the NFL but now as a Coach. Talk about CINDERELLA Story, If TB were to come BAck to TB, the NFL Narrative may give him his 8th 4 free with dat'story.
