With all the moves it's going to be really interesting to see what we do versus the other NFC South teams. I wouldn't be totally shocked if Mayfield goes back to the Panthers to play with Canales since they also have a new GM. Wouldn't be shocked if he stayed or went somewhere else. Who knows? But the situation could end up biting us in the ass. This really goes back to whether or not Bowles should have even been retained after last season, but I understand why they kept him. And does put some pressure on the Glazers to think about whether or not Todd is still the guy going forward now that his OC that was instrumental in this team getting into the playoffs is gone. He'll also be familiar with how to attack our defense, one that struggled enough last year. On top of that, if Mayfield does leave, then that goes right back to why we started him in the first place this season, and puts us back in the QB conundrum we were in before. We still don't know if Trask can do it or not, so do we then spend a high draft pick on another QB? Find one in FA?
What a mess. In all honesty, if the Glazers were forward looking, they would see that Bowles has struggled to get us winning, struggled to bring in an OC last year, and is likely to struggle to be a winner next year. Might be time to just rip the band-aid off and move on and hire Monken or Johnson to take over (or maybe someone else), and just get the reset over with. I don't think the fans really want to watch the team stretch out a series of mediocre years where we are winning 8-10 games every year and getting knocked out of the playoffs when we do get in. We want a contender. I'll also say that Dave Canales is likely going to struggle to get that Panthers team to be consistent winners. Probably be the next Raheem and end up going back to the lesser coaching ranks until he can build his brand back up.
the amount of backlash the glazers would receive for firing a black head coach that has back to back division titles, particularly one that significantly overachieved this year would make the dolphins- Flores situation look Busch league. It would be very Gruden email-Esq per se
I’m with you in terms of Bowles being the wrong hire but given what occurred in March 2022, they had no choice but to promote from within and it sure as hell wasn’t going to be leftwich. Offensive minded head coach should be the choice but their hands were tied at the time since leftwich was so inept and it was well into the season when Brady returned and Arians retired
bowles earned another year but those suggesting they should move on after the guy won a playoff game and was one possession away from NFC champ game, with no expectations this year eating salary cap charges, you’re delusional.
now, we may be calling for Bowles head mid year through 2024 season, But that doesn’t change the fact that this year 6-2 run to end the season was phenomenal
they better thoroughly think about next OC and highly doubt it had any barring on mayfield or evans returning. We pick in the 20s, have no other option on the roster, and it’s either cousins Wilson or mayfield in free agency; any OC joining will be on board with mayfield evans
also, Carolina has no interest in Mayfield. Pretty sure they wouldn’t trade all the first for young to give up on him after one year
Who cares what the backlash would've been. You don't let race baiting cowardly fools dictate what society can and can't do. Context matters and anyone paying attention knows this team won via circumstance (schedule/division), not coaching. The woke simpletons will never be satisfied, if every single coach in the NFL was black they'd start whining that every assistant coach isn't black. Once that happened, they'd need to be gay. After that, transgender. After that they need to be women. It never ends because they don't actually care about the things they claim to anyways, they just want to complain.
Bowles isn't a terrible coach but he definitely isn't a good one and he's not the future here, Canales had the potential to be but now that will be with another franchise.
Agreed. At this point JL and the Glazers need to show Buc Nation (In One BUCC -just for U 2c's- Place and the Fan Nation) if their D in Stout or Limp? Make a Maverick move here JL, the normal Iceman flying here isnt gonna CUT it, you need to think WAYYY outside the box. The Glazers can do it, theyve done it a few times infact....Hiring Gruden for 2002, Getting BA BACK into coaching (can you make that Miracle happen AGAIN), getting the GOAT for 2021, Getting Rob G out of retir'i. They've done alot and gone ALL IN several times, but always privateli, we never ever hear a Peep from them, its honestli, thats how it should b, du your best work in private. Yeah, Go BIG or Go Home...let the Lions game prove that to U, we ended small, but we can come back next year BIG if U nail it. That Johnson fellow from the Lions and Even Bob Griese (NOW that IS a FORGOTTEN Name from the Gruden DARK Ages- He actually wasnt that bad aside from being like Winstonesque with the PICKs) are intriguing options, but still...I think we need something even more Mav-Like BA BAck. Hmmm Jimmy Johnson...he loves the weather here. TB12, could he coach, would he even be willing to...NOW THAT WOULD BE BALLZ. TB12 as HC, he has the LEADER FACTOR in SPADES, carry over the old playbook and work with Baller and co over the offseason to learn it and grind it until you know it like the back of your hand then let TB 12 LEAD WITH Baller...that 2 MOXIE AF people and THAT COULD be the most BaLLZ Mav move that would marry our HC and QB for the next 10 years. BA can be OC from the Booth for a year and mentor TB12 (unless the smoke was real regarding a rift). Even if TB didnt have a coaching bone in his bodi, I would try ThIs, Pay him, given him stake in ownership of the team, and let his personal passion and work ethic take over, if He->TB(12) puts his mind to it, IM 7SBrings positive he can DO anything he wants/applies himself too. Their we have it, Offensive minded Coach, Who BTW is the GOAT, has LEADERSHIP, can Learn to Function as QB coach/OC/and HC, just give him !/1 offseason to try it with Baller and Co...just how to entice him??? It would be a challenge Worthi of TB, and he can put yeat another Stamp on the NFL but now as a Coach. Talk about CINDERELLA Story, If TB were to come BAck to TB, the NFL Narrative may give him his 8th 4 free with dat'story.
the amount of backlash the glazers would receive for firing a black head coach that has back to back division titles, particularly one that significantly overachieved this year would make the dolphins- Flores situation look Busch league. It would be very Gruden email-Esq per se
I’m with you in terms of Bowles being the wrong hire but given what occurred in March 2022, they had no choice but to promote from within and it sure as hell wasn’t going to be leftwich. Offensive minded head coach should be the choice but their hands were tied at the time since leftwich was so inept and it was well into the season when Brady returned and Arians retired
bowles earned another year but those suggesting they should move on after the guy won a playoff game and was one possession away from NFC champ game, with no expectations this year eating salary cap charges, you’re delusional.
now, we may be calling for Bowles head mid year through 2024 season, But that doesn’t change the fact that this year 6-2 run to end the season was phenomenal
they better thoroughly think about next OC and highly doubt it had any barring on mayfield or evans returning. We pick in the 20s, have no other option on the roster, and it’s either cousins Wilson or mayfield in free agency; any OC joining will be on board with mayfield evans
also, Carolina has no interest in Mayfield. Pretty sure they wouldn’t trade all the first for young to give up on him after one year
Two words: Tony Dungy. Fired after 9-7 season and losing in the playoffs.
The reality of the situation here is that the Glazers are known for their willingness to hire minorities of all types. They've hired more than any other team. They've had 4 black head coaches since they bought the team prior to the 95 season. Nobody's going to have any credibility going after them as being RAAYYCCIISSTT for firing Bowles, should they do that, because they can simply point out how many times they've gone with a black head coach.
If people really believed in Bowles, he wouldn't have struggled to get an OC last year, and his OC wouldn't have just upped and left, especially when he had just mentioned a week or so ago that he wasn't going to be coaching into his 70's, and was clearly hinting he'd probably only coach for a few more years. Dave could have been written in has the heir apparent and given a significant raise to tide him over. Nope. Bolted clear out of here. For the Panthers, no less.
the amount of backlash the glazers would receive for firing a black head coach that has back to back division titles, particularly one that significantly overachieved this year would make the dolphins- Flores situation look Busch league. It would be very Gruden email-Esq per se
I’m with you in terms of Bowles being the wrong hire but given what occurred in March 2022, they had no choice but to promote from within and it sure as hell wasn’t going to be leftwich. Offensive minded head coach should be the choice but their hands were tied at the time since leftwich was so inept and it was well into the season when Brady returned and Arians retired
bowles earned another year but those suggesting they should move on after the guy won a playoff game and was one possession away from NFC champ game, with no expectations this year eating salary cap charges, you’re delusional.
now, we may be calling for Bowles head mid year through 2024 season, But that doesn’t change the fact that this year 6-2 run to end the season was phenomenal
they better thoroughly think about next OC and highly doubt it had any barring on mayfield or evans returning. We pick in the 20s, have no other option on the roster, and it’s either cousins Wilson or mayfield in free agency; any OC joining will be on board with mayfield evans
also, Carolina has no interest in Mayfield. Pretty sure they wouldn’t trade all the first for young to give up on him after one year
Two words: Tony Dungy. Fired after 9-7 season and losing in the playoffs.
The reality of the situation here is that the Glazers are known for their willingness to hire minorities of all types. They've hired more than any other team. They've had 4 black head coaches since they bought the team prior to the 95 season. Nobody's going to have any credibility going after them as being RAAYYCCIISSTT for firing Bowles, should they do that, because they can simply point out how many times they've gone with a black head coach.
If people really believed in Bowles, he wouldn't have struggled to get an OC last year, and his OC wouldn't have just upped and left, especially when he had just mentioned a week or so ago that he wasn't going to be coaching into his 70's, and was clearly hinting he'd probably only coach for a few more years. Dave could have been written in has the heir apparent and given a significant raise to tide him over. Nope. Bolted clear out of here. For the Panthers, no less.
Fired after 9-7 season and losing in the playoffs
and 4-5 years of building the team to a SB contender? Dungy fire for UNDERperformance. Bowles overperformed last season
Different situation, but still Bowles isn't guaranteed any thing (except his pay!!)
Bowles shouldn't be going anywhere if he can keep the team competitive while not demanding the checkbook not be opened. If what news reporters and PR are reporting is true that the Bucs will be conservative with spending in free agency then that means a near similar blueprint of last off season strategy with this upcoming off season.
Of course the challenge is that you have some integral core players that need to be re-signed with most of the Bucs cap space.
Most often coaches that demand the checkbook be opened are the ones on a shorter lease with the Glazers when you don't win. Maybe Dominik/Morris combo are the exception.
Tony Dungy was a completely different situation. Apples and Bowling Balls
1996 - 6-10 first year but honestly franchise hasn't made the playoffs until 15 years previous so taking over a shit franchise
1997 - 10-6, lost in division round, 21-7.
1998- 8-8, missed playoffs
1999 - 11-5, lost in Conference Championship. Team won a game 14-13 and lost a game 11-6
2000 - 10-6, lost in Wild card round, lost 21-3
2001 - 9-7, lost in wild card round, lost 31-9
Given the expectations and elite defense, he was given ample time to try and turn around the offense. Not always the coaches fault but not many coaches would survive the regression from 1999 to 2001 and the points scored.
With Bowles
2022 - 8-9, Brady's only losing season, lost in first round of playoffs in a year were considered a legit Super Bowl contender when the season started. If this was year 2 and not year 1, Bowles is shown the door.
2023 - 9-8, won a playoff game, one possession away from NFC Champ game in a year are Vegas over/under was 6.5 wins
see if you can spot the difference.
If you combine Bowles on hot seat with a report of no real free agency (haven’t seen that) then they are really behind th eight ball in terms of an outside OC
If you combine Bowles on hot seat with a report of no real free agency (haven’t seen that) then they are really behind th eight ball in terms of an outside OC
i mean beggars can't be choosers. Kellen Moore may look at this as a chance to get some stability or get a head coaching job.
With Mayfield, Evans, Godwin, White, Wirfs, there are some building blocks there.
Same with Kliff Kingsbury. Maybe they look at this OC position as potentially being interim head coach material which could get them back in the door for head coaching, ala Antonio Pierce.
we will see.
Dungy brought us out of the dark years. Bowels did not. Further, the first two coaches they hired both had long tenures as Malcom was the guy running the show and believed in maintaining stability as long as it made since. The boys, however, seem to have less patience with coaches they view as clearly not Super Bowl contending material. But in both cases, they won 9 games and lost in the playoffs. Bowles just won a game first, but Dungy lost to the Eagles in the playoffs twice and had just lost to them in the hurricane delayed regular season game that I had the misfortune of being at (never heard "show your tits!" yelled out so much in my life). My whole point is, they have a history of doing this even if there was some success during the season.
We'll see what happens.
Dungy brought us out of the dark years. Bowels did not. Further, the first two coaches they hired both had long tenures as Malcom was the guy running the show and believed in maintaining stability as long as it made since. The boys, however, seem to have less patience with coaches they view as clearly not Super Bowl contending material. But in both cases, they won 9 games and lost in the playoffs. Bowles just won a game first, but Dungy lost to the Eagles in the playoffs twice and had just lost to them in the hurricane delayed regular season game that I had the misfortune of being at (never heard "show your tits!" yelled out so much in my life). My whole point is, they have a history of doing this even if there was some success during the season.
We'll see what happens.
nobody is arguing Dungy not being a good head coach or be better for the franchise than Bowles.
the point you may be overlooking is progress and expectations.
in dungys last year, expectations remained high, progress was not happening instead offense was stagnant and our win totals were going in opposite direction.
look at Bowles, no one (in right mind) would argue the Bucs didn’t have progress this year. Yes looked awful at 4-7 but talking about the complete picture
now next year at 2-6? Yeah. Bowles is back to hot seat. He isn’t guaranteed anything
The type of progress we had this year is akin to having to push a load 100ft down the road to where it needs to be and we managed to push it a couple of feet that way. Progress it may be, but barely. I don't know that the Glazers really see it like you do. As I mentioned, the boys are less patient with coaches than Malcom was. I have no doubt Bowles wasn't going anywhere with Canales here this next season. But now that he's gone, we're going into unproven offense mode yet again. Do they want to give him one more year? Or blow him out in hopes they can hire someone that can bring stability? Only they know the answer to that question, but even Scott mentioned it's more likely now with Canales gone. I don't know what they do, and neither do you. We'll see. If he can get a good OC in here, that would help, but you do wonder if that just drags the rebuild out one more year.
The type of progress we had this year is akin to having to push a load 100ft down the road to where it needs to be and we managed to push it a couple of feet that way.
lol. Tough crowd.
The type of progress we had this year is akin to having to push a load 100ft down the road to where it needs to be and we managed to push it a couple of feet that way.
lol. Tough crowd.
I don’t he means regarding our players, more about developing a lasting contender, not pretender. Had everything stayed intact and Bowles offered the Mea Culpa for the TO fiasco, next year woulda been awesome I think. Canales leaving completely flipped our offseason. Now, can we FLIP it tf Back?