This means we decided on Bowles as our HC instead of Canales. That's exactly the Glazer thing to do. That long stretch of games against low quality opponents to end the season is going to really screw this franchise over. It gave the Glazers a reason to keep things the same and play make believe with the fan base that we've turned some kind of corner. Fools gold, is what it is. This team is the 2010 Bucs until they prove otherwise, and letting Canales go in favor of keeping Bowles is exactly the kind of decision the Glazers keep making that will ensure we never "prove otherwise".
This means we decided on Bowles as our HC instead of Canales. That's exactly the Glazer thing to do. That long stretch of games against low quality opponents to end the season is going to really screw this franchise over. It gave the Glazers a reason to keep things the same and play make believe with the fan base that we've turned some kind of corner. Fools gold, is what it is. This team is the 2010 Bucs until they prove otherwise, and letting Canales go in favor of keeping Bowles is exactly the kind of decision the Glazers keep making that will ensure we never "prove otherwise".
2010 Bucs never made playoffs.
This means we decided on Bowles as our HC instead of Canales. That's exactly the Glazer thing to do. That long stretch of games against low quality opponents to end the season is going to really screw this franchise over. It gave the Glazers a reason to keep things the same and play make believe with the fan base that we've turned some kind of corner. Fools gold, is what it is. This team is the 2010 Bucs until they prove otherwise, and letting Canales go in favor of keeping Bowles is exactly the kind of decision the Glazers keep making that will ensure we never "prove otherwise".
2010 Bucs never made playoffs.
The point was the 2010 team beat mostly bad teams and lost to nearly all the good teams. Went 10-6 and the next season 4-12. The current Bucs team only went to the playoffs because of a horrible division, we probably shouldn't pretend that's not the truth.
Good hire guys were running open all year, and he has a team that can play good defense and pound the rock. He's gonna need another #1 receiver
This means we decided on Bowles as our HC instead of Canales. That's exactly the Glazer thing to do. That long stretch of games against low quality opponents to end the season is going to really screw this franchise over. It gave the Glazers a reason to keep things the same and play make believe with the fan base that we've turned some kind of corner. Fools gold, is what it is. This team is the 2010 Bucs until they prove otherwise, and letting Canales go in favor of keeping Bowles is exactly the kind of decision the Glazers keep making that will ensure we never "prove otherwise".
2010 Bucs never made playoffs.
The point was the 2010 team beat mostly bad teams and lost to nearly all the good teams. Went 10-6 and the next season 4-12. The current Bucs team only went to the playoffs because of a horrible division, we probably shouldn't pretend that's not the truth.
Agreed. They were an up-and-down team, that really was a tale of quarters.
Q1: 3-1, pretty good
Q2: 0-4, awful - looked like shit
Q3: 2-2, meh
Q4: 4-1, great record - but didn't look that great in wins against lesser teams like Carolina & Atlanta, but beat a faltering Jags team and dominated the Packers. The loss vs. the Saints was ugly.
Playoffs: Looked great against Philly and better than expected vs. Detroit
I think Bowles has proven he's not a great HC. But they did finish strong and that may save his job.
Maybe he didn't like working for Bowles.
I can't imagine very many offensive minded coaches would.
The point was the 2010 team beat mostly bad teams and lost to nearly all the good teams. Went 10-6 and the next season 4-12. The current Bucs team only went to the playoffs because of a horrible division, we probably shouldn't pretend that's not the truth.
This post, however, is the truth.
This means we decided on Bowles as our HC instead of Canales. That's exactly the Glazer thing to do. That long stretch of games against low quality opponents to end the season is going to really screw this franchise over. It gave the Glazers a reason to keep things the same and play make believe with the fan base that we've turned some kind of corner. Fools gold, is what it is. This team is the 2010 Bucs until they prove otherwise, and letting Canales go in favor of keeping Bowles is exactly the kind of decision the Glazers keep making that will ensure we never "prove otherwise".
2010 Bucs never made playoffs.
The point was the 2010 team beat mostly bad teams and lost to nearly all the good teams. Went 10-6 and the next season 4-12. The current Bucs team only went to the playoffs because of a horrible division, we probably shouldn't pretend that's not the truth.
while no one should argue that the Bucs are not mediocre with mid tier talent level, Don't discount their 6-2 run. Beating teams like the Packers, Jaguars, and Eagles were not gimme wins.
Now unfortunately, losing the continuity of the OC hurts. We will see what they do. If they promote Thad Lewis to the role, than yeah likely going to be an ugly year. Has the guy call plays before at any level? That's probably an ok promotion from intern a few years ago if you have an offensive minded guru like Bruce Arians at the helm, but Bowles would need somebody with a tad more experience. Canales was the passing game coordinator for 5 years with Seattle prior to joining Bucs.
now that Mayfield proved competent, we may garner more interest for OC role.
the schedule is brutal next year too. I wouldn't expect any more than 9 wins and trying to squeak in again.
guaranteed away losses at Dallas and KC with guaranteed home losses versus SF and Baltimore.
games we will be underdogs in including away at Detroit and LA Chargers versus a home game with Eagles.
i mean that is 7 games right there and we aren't even talking division yet - maybe 4-2 again?
next year will be tough but let's see if the Bucs plan ahead and put the team in a position to win with their OC hire as step 1
I wouldn't expect any more than 9 wins and trying to squeak in again.
And it's this reason why I believe it will be difficult to attract a good OC. I believe Bowles' hot seat, which chilled a little after beating the Eagles, has warmed back up with Canales' departure. I think if Bowles has another losing season the Glazers will look for another coach. If that's the case, why would a good OC candidate hitch his wagon to Bowles?
I wouldn't expect any more than 9 wins and trying to squeak in again.
And it's this reason why I believe it will be difficult to attract a good OC. I believe Bowles' hot seat, which chilled a little after beating the Eagles, has warmed back up with Canales' departure. I think if Bowles has another losing season the Glazers will look for another coach. If that's the case, why would a good OC candidate hitch his wagon to Bowles?
Agreed that’s why maybe Thad Lewis
I wouldn't expect any more than 9 wins and trying to squeak in again.
And it's this reason why I believe it will be difficult to attract a good OC. I believe Bowles' hot seat, which chilled a little after beating the Eagles, has warmed back up with Canales' departure. I think if Bowles has another losing season the Glazers will look for another coach. If that's the case, why would a good OC candidate hitch his wagon to Bowles?
Agreed that’s why maybe Thad Lewis
oh man, Thad Lewis and i think this team may be picking in the top 5 in 2025. i certainly could be underestimating the intern but Kellen Moore's got to be better, no? Why would he be interviewing if he wasn't interested?
I wouldn't expect any more than 9 wins and trying to squeak in again.
And it's this reason why I believe it will be difficult to attract a good OC. I believe Bowles' hot seat, which chilled a little after beating the Eagles, has warmed back up with Canales' departure. I think if Bowles has another losing season the Glazers will look for another coach. If that's the case, why would a good OC candidate hitch his wagon to Bowles?
Agreed that’s why maybe Thad Lewis
oh man, Thad Lewis and i think this team may be picking in the top 5 in 2025. i certainly could be underestimating the intern but Kellen Moore's got to be better, no? Why would he be interviewing if he wasn't interested?
because he wants a job and there is a new HC for his team?
if experienced automatically meant better there would’ve been no Canales. I only mention Lewis because it would’ve the same basic offense and o think last year both Arians and Bowles said he’s a future OC. I think the Raiders are even interviewing him for the OC position.
anyway, only saying I can see the scenario where they elevate him
Fat thumb typos not worth fixing on this board but man my post was almost gibberish lol
I wouldn't expect any more than 9 wins and trying to squeak in again.
And it's this reason why I believe it will be difficult to attract a good OC. I believe Bowles' hot seat, which chilled a little after beating the Eagles, has warmed back up with Canales' departure. I think if Bowles has another losing season the Glazers will look for another coach. If that's the case, why would a good OC candidate hitch his wagon to Bowles?
Agreed that’s why maybe Thad Lewis
oh man, Thad Lewis and i think this team may be picking in the top 5 in 2025. i certainly could be underestimating the intern but Kellen Moore's got to be better, no? Why would he be interviewing if he wasn't interested?
because he wants a job and there is a new HC for his team?
if experienced automatically meant better there would’ve been no Canales. I only mention Lewis because it would’ve the same basic offense and o think last year both Arians and Bowles said he’s a future OC. I think the Raiders are even interviewing him for the OC position.
anyway, only saying I can see the scenario where they elevate him
nah i get it. I wouldn't be surprised, it just wouldn't be my first choice and would leave us leaving a lot of faith in a first time play caller without any guidance.
So think back to Leftwich. he was calling plays but had the GOAT and Bruce Arians with him so kind of have some checks and balances there.
Now, we have a defensive minded coach who can't offer any guidance.
With Canales, while green, he was passing game coordinator for 5 years in Seattle previously. Not sure what that entails but i am sure play designs are part of the job/strategy
Would prefer we get somebody with more experience like a Kellen Moore and i think we will have more takers given the offense did start to get better in the second half of last year.
I wouldn't be shocked to see Thad Lewis and Idzik both gone soon, leaving us with only outside candidates (realistically). This is the conundrum that they got themselves into. All I can say is if the Glazers decide to keep Bowles on, he better get a good OC on staff and do better than last season. If he has another 9-8 season with one playoff win, the Glazers will blow him out. Since Dungy and Gruden, they just don't seem to have the patience for a coach they don't see being Super Bowl competitive.
I still wouldn't be shocked if they sat there and pondered the whole situation and realized that if they did do good (similar) next year, they may lose another OC and we're stuck in this vicious circle of new OC's. They might then realize they could go after a hot OC HC candidate who could maintain continuity on offense for years and think that's the route they want to go. Next couple of weeks will be key to what we do going forward.
