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Total Cap Liabilities: $285,594,834

  • Top 51: $281,955,663
  • Team Cap Space: -(——————$55,031,921)
  • Offense: $177,788,346
  • Defense: $100,147,238
  • Special: $7,020,079

PlayerCap
Number

 
Cut (pre-June 1)
Cut (post-June 1)
Trade (pre-June 1)
Trade (post-June 1)
Restructure
Extension
 

Tom Brady$35,104,000

Dead Money & Cap Savings

$35,104,000

$0

Chris Godwin$23,750,000

Dead Money & Cap Savings
$35,000,000
($11,250,000)

Mike Evans$23,698,500

Dead Money & Cap Savings
$21,396,500
$2,302,000

Shaquil Barrett$21,252,941

Dead Money & Cap Savings
$22,850,000
($1,597,059)

Carlton Davis$18,215,686

Dead Money & Cap Savings
$15,666,667
$2,549,019

Donovan Smith$17,900,000

Dead Money & Cap Savings
$7,950,000
$9,950,000

Vita Vea$15,651,652

Dead Money & Cap Savings
$22,630,124
($6,978,472)

Ryan Jensen$15,000,000

Dead Money & Cap Savings
$19,000,000
($4,000,000)

Russell Gage$12,166,666

Dead Money & Cap Savings
$9,333,334
$2,833,332

Devin White$11,706,000

Dead Money & Cap Savings
$11,706,000
$0

Shaquille Mason$9,576,000

Dead Money & Cap Savings
$4,304,000
$5,272,000

Leonard Fournette$8,470,588

Dead Money & Cap Savings
$5,000,000
$3,470,588

Lavonte David$6,855,000

Dead Money & Cap Savings
$6,855,000
$0

Tristan Wirfs$5,163,464

Dead Money & Cap Savings
$5,163,464
$0

Cameron Brate$4,985,000

Dead Money & Cap Savings
$2,955,000
$2,030,000
 
Posted : Feb. 19, 2023 3:02 pm
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Bucs & Saints at -$50M 😮‍💨❌

Panthers at -$8M♻️

Falcons got +$56M in cap 💰

The way Brady’s contract was structured, the Bucs are left with a $35,104,000 dead cap hit. This combined with their other current salary cap commitments leave the team $55 million over the 2023 cap.

The Bucs can save $2,030,000 if they release Brate, $3,470,588 if they let go of Fournette, and $3,250,000 by cutting Succop. ( https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/tampa-bay-buccaneers) Those three combined get th
e Bucs $8,750,580 closer to becoming salary cap compliant

Vea is set to have a $12,500,000 salary in 2023. The Bucs can convert $11,420,000 of that into a prorated bonus. They can stretch the proration over the remaining four years of his contract without using void years. Doing so would reduce Vea’s cap hit from $15,651,652 to $4,346,765

For Godwin they can restructure the vast majority of his $20,000,000 salary across not only 2023 and 2024, but also the 2025 and 2026 seasons that he already has dead cap hits assigned to. That would reduce his $23,750,000 cap hit to $9,560,000.

Bucs still have to find players to fill the 23 roster spots set to be vacated by impending free agents. By restructuring Jensen and Barrett the team can free up over $18.3 million to give them the limited room they will need to make small deals to fill out the roster.

All-in-all the Bucs are set to make a flurry of moves leading up to the new league year, which is March 15 at 4:00 p.m. ET.

 
Posted : Feb. 19, 2023 3:03 pm
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All of those savings above is still only 

 

$52.67M in savings. We still would be $3M OVER THE CAP with 23 free agents. Paying people that aren’t under contract like Julio, Hicks, lavonte, etc.

 

going to take a miracle!

 
Posted : Feb. 19, 2023 3:05 pm
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It is doable but the Bucs are better off using the draft and undrafted free agents to fill out the roster. This is where the coaching staff being in place should be able to produce results and accelerate the learning the rookies with the existing veterans on the roster. 

 
Posted : Feb. 19, 2023 6:54 pm
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I’m thinking Drew Lock will be brought in to compete with Kyle Trask. Cheap QB options. 

Only other considerations I can think of is Ryan Griffin and Blaine Gabbert. Everyone else is too expensive. 

 
Posted : Feb. 19, 2023 10:53 pm
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Look at the cap problems the Bucs are having right now. It's because of the restructuring they did.  Because of restructuring using bonuses there is money owed to players who are no longer with the team or are free agents. They did it to win a Superbowl, but before that Licht was not known for doing a lot of "win today, pay tomorrow" stuff which is why we haven't had this problem in the past.  This is what Licht will now be trying to get out of.  Now fans see that you can restructure everything into the future and that will get them out of the problems they are having today, but that only pushes the problem into future.  Sure there always will be restructuring as part of the solution but be careful about overdoing it.  

As for Godwin, you are again pushing a lot of money into years when Godwin will be a FA.  So if Godwin becomes a FA, we'll still be taking the cap hit for two years.  Similar to how we are taking the hit on guys like Hicks and David.  Is this correct?   Plus, it takes two to tango. His agent knows he took a deal which, in hindsight given the deals that other WRs got after him, looks a bit team friendly.  If they want to renegotiate his deal, they are going to have to add something to it.  Don't be so sure that restructuring Godwin will be that easy.  Is he worth the same thing to the Bucs as a#2 WR on a transitioning team as he is to a Superbowl contender who needs WR help?  And the Bucs could trade for a draft pick that would give the Bucs a WR with four or five years on a rookie contract?   

 

 
Posted : Feb. 20, 2023 9:29 am
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@catherder 

 

"And the Bucs could trade for a draft pick that would give the Bucs a WR with four or five years on a rookie contract?  "

 

curious what you think they would get for Godwin?

 

 
Posted : Feb. 20, 2023 10:43 am
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Posted by: @bucsbits

@catherder 

 

"And the Bucs could trade for a draft pick that would give the Bucs a WR with four or five years on a rookie contract?  "

 

curious what you think they would get for Godwin?

 

A second round pick. Most people way overestimate what a player can get in return for draft picks. The only exception is QB's.

 

 
Posted : Feb. 20, 2023 12:02 pm
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Posted by: @badtimes

Posted by: @bucsbits

@catherder 

 

"And the Bucs could trade for a draft pick that would give the Bucs a WR with four or five years on a rookie contract?  "

 

curious what you think they would get for Godwin?

 

A second round pick. Most people way overestimate what a player can get in return for draft picks. The only exception is QB's.

 

 

so we might get a Marpet!

 

. . . or a Smith lol

 

an ASJ?

 

Or a younger Godwin?

 

 
Posted : Feb. 20, 2023 12:37 pm
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I’m for a heavy reboot. Keep Mike and Lavonte if they want because they are true Bucs and start from scratch

 

Can Bowles do that? No he can’t!

 

 
Posted : Feb. 20, 2023 1:31 pm
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Guess I'll be drinking even more next year 

 
Posted : Feb. 20, 2023 8:29 pm
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Player Pos. 2022 Team 2023 Team Type Snaps Age Current APY Guarantees ▾
Jamel Dean CB Buccaneers   UFA 78.9% 27 $889,713 $846,852
Mike Edwards S Buccaneers   UFA 72.6% 27 $874,509 $822,180
Lavonte David LB Buccaneers   Void 95.9% 33 $12,500,000 $17,500,000
Akiem Hicks IDL Buccaneers   Void 35.6% 34 $8,000,000 $6,500,000
Julio Jones WR Buccaneers   Void 28.9% 34 $6,000,000 $6,000,000
Sean Murphy-Bunting CB Buccaneers   UFA 39.8% 26 $1,844,000 $4,709,633
William Gholston IDL Buccaneers   Void 43.3% 32 $4,500,000 $3,000,000
Rakeem Nunez-Roches IDL Buccaneers   UFA 48.9% 30 $2,500,000 $2,250,000
Keanu Neal S Buccaneers   UFA 52.9% 28 $1,187,500 $1,047,500

 

paying a lot of people a lot of money to not be on the team

 
Posted : Feb. 20, 2023 9:26 pm
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Posted by: @armybuc91

 

Player Pos. 2022 Team 2023 Team Type Snaps Age Current APY Guarantees ▾
Jamel Dean CB Buccaneers   UFA 78.9% 27 $889,713 $846,852
Mike Edwards S Buccaneers   UFA 72.6% 27 $874,509 $822,180
Lavonte David LB Buccaneers   Void 95.9% 33 $12,500,000 $17,500,000
Akiem Hicks IDL Buccaneers   Void 35.6% 34 $8,000,000 $6,500,000
Julio Jones WR Buccaneers   Void 28.9% 34 $6,000,000 $6,000,000
Sean Murphy-Bunting CB Buccaneers   UFA 39.8% 26 $1,844,000 $4,709,633
William Gholston IDL Buccaneers   Void 43.3% 32 $4,500,000 $3,000,000
Rakeem Nunez-Roches IDL Buccaneers   UFA 48.9% 30 $2,500,000 $2,250,000
Keanu Neal S Buccaneers   UFA 52.9% 28 $1,187,500 $1,047,500

 

paying a lot of people a lot of money to not be on the team

yes @ArmyBuc91, that's what happens when you rework contracts and convert salary into bonus.  When the player goes the cap hit hangs around.  

 

 
Posted : Feb. 20, 2023 9:45 pm
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Posted by: @m_j

I’m for a heavy reboot. Keep Mike and Lavonte if they want because they are true Bucs and start from scratch

 

Can Bowles do that? No he can’t!

 

 

Bowles has no say.  For those of you that work for a large corporation, how do you think it works?

 

some of us are rank and file, some of us are middle management, some of us are even executives...but in the end who has ultimate say?  

 

the owners.  

 

so while we may not want to proceed a certain route, we either get paid or leave.  The fact that only 32 of these positions exist at the highest level than of course you can see why Bowles will collect his paycheck and proceed as such

Jason Licht will likely stick around as the Superbowl bought him some time and i am sure ownership, Greenberg, and Jason are in agreement of a 2023 soft tank in order to be in a great position in 2024

Todd Bowles lost the support once he essentially ended Brady's career. We will also remember the 2020 and 2021 awesome seasons we had and than we had an extra season which was atrocious.  None of us were even excited for the playoff game because the team sucked. 

Time will tell whether the Bucs make a splash at QB or go with some low tier guy to compete with Trask.  If the Bucs do indeed take the $35M Brady cap hit this year then i dont see how you cant see that as they are in agreement on the soft tank 2023 year. 

 

 

 
Posted : Feb. 21, 2023 12:07 pm
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Todd Bowles lost the support once he essentially ended Brady's career.”

Lol.

Arians said this was the most talented team yet!

 

 
Posted : Feb. 21, 2023 12:41 pm
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