let’s see what would we rather have
(1) 3 straight playoff seasons, Super Bowl win, 2 years where we were essentially favored in 95% of the games. All this with knowledge that Brady is 45 years old and that once he retired, we’d have to bite the bullet and likely suck for 1-3 years afterwards
(2) 10 straight years of no playoffs, rebuild, 2 first round picks on QBs and ample cap space
Im absolutely baffled that we are critiquing the glazers, licht, and Greenberg. 100% of the time you choose option 1. In case you are a new buc fan, option 2 was the post gruden, pre Brady era
These moves didn't result in a Super Bowl. These moves did not result in a playoff win. These moves did not result in a winning season. The majority of these moves were done in 2022 and resulted in an 8-9 season.
let’s see what would we rather have
(1) 3 straight playoff seasons, Super Bowl win, 2 years where we were essentially favored in 95% of the games. All this with knowledge that Brady is 45 years old and that once he retired, we’d have to bite the bullet and likely suck for 1-3 years afterwards
(2) 10 straight years of no playoffs, rebuild, 2 first round picks on QBs and ample cap space
Im absolutely baffled that we are critiquing the glazers, licht, and Greenberg. 100% of the time you choose option 1. In case you are a new buc fan, option 2 was the post gruden, pre Brady era
These moves didn't result in a Super Bowl. These moves did not result in a playoff win. These moves did not result in a winning season. The majority of these moves were done in 2022 and resulted in an 8-9 season.
no way. maybe you can argue 2020 but 2021 was certainly the dead cap year push to bring everyone back and we had a record best 13 regular season wins. so worth it.
we sucked last year but it wasn't lack of trying by front office and you couldnt blame them. But to argue that the dead cap push wasn't at least the year after superbowl is pushing an agenda
Nobody was complaining a year ago at this time. Hindsight is 20/20. What if we told Brady last offseason "I'm glad you want to come back, but we just can't swing it. Sorry, Charlie. Try the Saints!" How would that have gone over with Bucs fans?
Nobody was complaining a year ago at this time. Hindsight is 20/20. What if we told Brady last offseason "I'm glad you want to come back, but we just can't swing it. Sorry, Charlie. Try the Saints!" How would that have gone over with Bucs fans?
lmao could you imagine? Hey Tom - thanks for the superbowl and record best 13 wins in back to back years. Oh and for choosing us over your family. We know you had a MVP caliber year last year but we just think father time will get you eventually so we are not going to try and reload for a championship
let’s see what would we rather have
(1) 3 straight playoff seasons, Super Bowl win, 2 years where we were essentially favored in 95% of the games. All this with knowledge that Brady is 45 years old and that once he retired, we’d have to bite the bullet and likely suck for 1-3 years afterwards
(2) 10 straight years of no playoffs, rebuild, 2 first round picks on QBs and ample cap space
Im absolutely baffled that we are critiquing the glazers, licht, and Greenberg. 100% of the time you choose option 1. In case you are a new buc fan, option 2 was the post gruden, pre Brady era
These moves didn't result in a Super Bowl. These moves did not result in a playoff win. These moves did not result in a winning season. The majority of these moves were done in 2022 and resulted in an 8-9 season.
no way. maybe you can argue 2020 but 2021 was certainly the dead cap year push to bring everyone back and we had a record best 13 regular season wins. so worth it.
we sucked last year but it wasn't lack of trying by front office and you couldnt blame them. But to argue that the dead cap push wasn't at least the year after superbowl is pushing an agenda
I understand its hard to accept the truth. But the reality is Licht/Greenberg ran a Bernie Madoff like Ponzi scheme of the Bucs salary cap to put together the 2022 Buccaneers.
Nobody was complaining a year ago at this time. Hindsight is 20/20. What if we told Brady last offseason "I'm glad you want to come back, but we just can't swing it. Sorry, Charlie. Try the Saints!" How would that have gone over with Bucs fans?
Last year I told everyone the Jensen contract was stupid. We didn't need him. Hainsey was about the same minus the penalties. That's $15M this year plus 2025 void year of $5M and a 2026 void year of $2.5M. Russell Gage was a WTF signing. $6M cap hit last year, $12.2M this year. If we never signed those two we would have about $35M more in cap space right now, not including Jensen's dead money in 25 and 26.
I had weeks long debates about what pass rushers to sign (Haasan Reddick was one of them, now people who always bring up receipts are playing stupid) and was very adamant about why Barrett should have been moved instead of signing his long term deal in 2021. There's now $57M left to pay Barrett through 2026.
we sucked last year but it wasn't lack of trying by front office and you couldnt blame them.
JC - "I understand its hard to accept the truth. But the reality is Licht/Greenberg ran a Bernie Madoff like Ponzi scheme of the Bucs salary cap to put together the 2022 Buccaneers. "
ROFLMAO
Nobody was complaining a year ago at this time. Hindsight is 20/20. What if we told Brady last offseason "I'm glad you want to come back, but we just can't swing it. Sorry, Charlie. Try the Saints!" How would that have gone over with Bucs fans?
Last year I told everyone the Jensen contract was stupid. We didn't need him. Hainsey was about the same minus the penalties. That's $15M this year plus 2025 void year of $5M and a 2026 void year of $2.5M. Russell Gage was a WTF signing. $6M cap hit last year, $12.2M this year. If we never signed those two we would have about $35M more in cap space right now, not including Jensen's dead money in 25 and 26.
I had weeks long debates about what pass rushers to sign (Haasan Reddick was one of them, now people who always bring up receipts are playing stupid) and was very adamant about why Barrett should have been moved instead of signing his long term deal in 2021. There's now $57M left to pay Barrett through 2026.
This is a good example of the typical message boards departure from reality.
The team is SELLING "we're keeping the band together" to sell two years of season tickets and TV revenue
JC is playing monopoly money GM
If we never signed those two we would have about $35M more in cap space right now,
What you mean is, if "we" never signed those two - it would have simply been two other FA signings. There weren't not going to sign other players with Brady returning. If it wasn't Jensen or Gage, it would have been somebody else for similar money.
Resist the urge to be dumb.
I had weeks long debates about what pass rushers to sign (Haasan Reddick was one of them, now people who always bring up receipts are playing stupid) and was very adamant about why Barrett should have been moved instead of signing his long term deal in 2021. There's now $57M left to pay Barrett through 2026.
The only person you're fooling with this stuff is yourself.
If we never signed those two we would have about $35M more in cap space right now,
What you mean is, if "we" never signed those two - it would have simply been two other FA signings. There weren't not going to sign other players with Brady returning. If it wasn't Jensen or Gage, it would have been somebody else for similar money.
Resist the urge to be dumb.
I had weeks long debates about what pass rushers to sign (Haasan Reddick was one of them, now people who always bring up receipts are playing stupid) and was very adamant about why Barrett should have been moved instead of signing his long term deal in 2021. There's now $57M left to pay Barrett through 2026.
The only person you're fooling with this stuff is yourself.
We didn't need to sign a center because we drafted Hainsey. We didn't need Gage either.
And since you like to pull up old posts why don't you bring up the Reddick posts from last year?
Bucs are in a Chernobyl cap situation because they made a ton of bad moves after the Super Bowl, not because they capped out to win the Super Bowl. Separate the two, they're not exclusive.
Bucs are in a Chernobyl cap situation because they made a ton of bad moves after the Super Bowl, not because they capped out to win the Super Bowl. Separate the two, they're not exclusive.
Bucs did not make bad moves after the superbowl. If not for Godwin injury or AB head injury, Bucs have great chance to go back to Superbowl. In any event, i'd hardly call 13-4, playoff win and loss to eventual SB winners bad moves. they brought back the team that got them there. All solid moves.
where they made bad moves was the 2022 off-season signing guys like Hicks, Jones, Gage, etc. They got away from the bring everybody back mold and tried to reload. None of the guys really panned out. Dont fault them for trying but playing this "captain hindsight" that it didnt work out is yeah...no shit. nobody saw the Bucs having a losing record end of March 2022. Nobody. You can play captain hindsight but let's get real.
Bucs are in a Chernobyl cap situation because they made a ton of bad moves after the Super Bowl, not because they capped out to win the Super Bowl. Separate the two, they're not exclusive.
Bucs did not make bad moves after the superbowl. If not for Godwin injury or AB head injury, Bucs have great chance to go back to Superbowl. In any event, i'd hardly call 13-4, playoff win and loss to eventual SB winners bad moves. they brought back the team that got them there. All solid moves.
where they made bad moves was the 2022 off-season signing guys like Hicks, Jones, Gage, etc. They got away from the bring everybody back mold and tried to reload. None of the guys really panned out. Dont fault them for trying but playing this "captain hindsight" that it didnt work out is yeah...no shit. nobody saw the Bucs having a losing record end of March 2022. Nobody. You can play captain hindsight but let's get real.
2022 is after the Super Bowl. And it's not hindsight.
And it's not hindsight.
of course it is and its dishonest hindsight at that
all one has to do is look at the timeline
The Bucs finish 2021 in January of 2022 with a last second field goal upset Divisional playoff loss.
They have 9 Pro Bowlers and 2 all-Pros. So OF COURSE if Brady is staying you keep the team together as much as possible
Antonio Byron already gone. Tom Brady retires in February. Marpet retires in February. Gronk is already believed to be retiring. Arians already believed to be on his way out
The team knowns more internally then all these PUBLIC events described above. The team is already going into rebuild mode as the 2021 season ends
INSTEAD . . Brady reverses ground on March 14th. The team has to turn it all around (as Arians actually retires).
"Brady's announcement triggered a flurry of free agent signings, re-signings, and restructuring, including Chris Godwin, Leonard Fournette, Shaq Mason, Russell Gage, Carlton Davis, Ryan Jensen, Julio Jones and others."
SO THE REASON YOURE PLAYING MONOPOLY MONEY GM . . with hindsight . . is that in REAL TIME IN THE REAL WORLD the Bucs did exactly what one would expect when Brady made the reversal. They kept the existing coaching staff and tried again to re-sign keep players including OF COURSE the CENTER
We didn't need to sign a center because we drafted Hainsey. We didn't need Gage either.
Whether you agree or not, they still would have signed veterans at interior OL and WR. If it wasn’t those two specific players, it would have been other veterans paid similar money.
And since you like to pull up old posts why don't you bring up the Reddick posts from last year?
I’d have more luck hunting for unicorns.
