What should the Bucs do to get out of salary cap hell?
Try to do a soft landing by renegotiating contracts which may result in salary cap problems in future years?
Or take the hard landing by trading/ releasing players to solve the cap problem by signing cheap veterans and building through the draft?
And it's not hindsight.
of course it is and its dishonest hindsight at that
all one has to do is look at the timeline
The Bucs finish 2021 in January of 2022 with a last second field goal upset Divisional playoff loss.
They have 9 Pro Bowlers and 2 all-Pros. So OF COURSE if Brady is staying you keep the team together as much as possible
Antonio Byron already gone. Tom Brady retires in February. Marpet retires in February. Gronk is already believed to be retiring. Arians already believed to be on his way out
The team knowns more internally then all these PUBLIC events described above. The team is already going into rebuild mode as the 2021 season ends
INSTEAD . . Brady reverses ground on March 14th. The team has to turn it all around (as Arians actually retires).
"Brady's announcement triggered a flurry of free agent signings, re-signings, and restructuring, including Chris Godwin, Leonard Fournette, Shaq Mason, Russell Gage, Carlton Davis, Ryan Jensen, Julio Jones and others."
SO THE REASON YOURE PLAYING MONOPOLY MONEY GM . . with hindsight . . is that in REAL TIME IN THE REAL WORLD the Bucs did exactly what one would expect when Brady made the reversal. They kept the existing coaching staff and tried again to re-sign keep players including OF COURSE the CENTER
Doing "exactly what one would expect" got them 8-9 and $55M over the salary cap. Maybe that's what YOU would expect but I wanted a different direction and was vocal about it. Got ganged up on debates like usual and after the results are in I am once again correct. The Bucs are in cap hell because of stupid, preventable signings after they won their championship.
Barrett- For years I proved why his contract would flop and how the Bucs best option was to keep tagging him and trade him. You don't pay pass rushers that only produce in contract years. Now it's the worst contract on the team.
Jensen- Was an eye sore of a contract since he signed it. Bucs actually make a smart move and draft his replacement a year early. Contract expires and Bucs for some stupid ass reason re up him and the contract had a negative ROI.
White 5th year option- Dumb pick, dumb option.
Gage- Instead of trying to replace Scotty Miller they should have just maybe PLAYED Scotty Miller.
Without these 4 dumbass contracts on the books the Bucs would actually be under the salary cap right now. Add the savings from cutting Smith, Fournette, Brate, Succop and the Bucs would be $25M under the cap right now and we're talking about Derek Carr or Aaron Rodgers and not our dumbass GM talking up Kyle Trask.
Jesus…
Stop acting like you’re the only one who thought the White pick was bad or that trading him was the way to go.
That is all in the past and the Bucs can't do anything to change the contracts that have already been signed.And it's not hindsight.
of course it is and its dishonest hindsight at that
all one has to do is look at the timeline
The Bucs finish 2021 in January of 2022 with a last second field goal upset Divisional playoff loss.
They have 9 Pro Bowlers and 2 all-Pros. So OF COURSE if Brady is staying you keep the team together as much as possible
Antonio Byron already gone. Tom Brady retires in February. Marpet retires in February. Gronk is already believed to be retiring. Arians already believed to be on his way out
The team knowns more internally then all these PUBLIC events described above. The team is already going into rebuild mode as the 2021 season ends
INSTEAD . . Brady reverses ground on March 14th. The team has to turn it all around (as Arians actually retires).
"Brady's announcement triggered a flurry of free agent signings, re-signings, and restructuring, including Chris Godwin, Leonard Fournette, Shaq Mason, Russell Gage, Carlton Davis, Ryan Jensen, Julio Jones and others."
SO THE REASON YOURE PLAYING MONOPOLY MONEY GM . . with hindsight . . is that in REAL TIME IN THE REAL WORLD the Bucs did exactly what one would expect when Brady made the reversal. They kept the existing coaching staff and tried again to re-sign keep players including OF COURSE the CENTER
Doing "exactly what one would expect" got them 8-9 and $55M over the salary cap. Maybe that's what YOU would expect but I wanted a different direction and was vocal about it. Got ganged up on debates like usual and after the results are in I am once again correct. The Bucs are in cap hell because of stupid, preventable signings after they won their championship.
Barrett- For years I proved why his contract would flop and how the Bucs best option was to keep tagging him and trade him. You don't pay pass rushers that only produce in contract years. Now it's the worst contract on the team.
Jensen- Was an eye sore of a contract since he signed it. Bucs actually make a smart move and draft his replacement a year early. Contract expires and Bucs for some stupid ass reason re up him and the contract had a negative ROI.
White 5th year option- Dumb pick, dumb option.
Gage- Instead of trying to replace Scotty Miller they should have just maybe PLAYED Scotty Miller.
Without these 4 dumbass contracts on the books the Bucs would actually be under the salary cap right now. Add the savings from cutting Smith, Fournette, Brate, Succop and the Bucs would be $25M under the cap right now and we're talking about Derek Carr or Aaron Rodgers and not our dumbass GM talking up Kyle Trask.
Should the Bucs try to resolve the cap hell they are in next season or try to soften the cap problem by stretching it out over several years by restructuring contracts?
That is all in the past and the Bucs can't do anything to change the contracts that have already been signed.And it's not hindsight.
of course it is and its dishonest hindsight at that
all one has to do is look at the timeline
The Bucs finish 2021 in January of 2022 with a last second field goal upset Divisional playoff loss.
They have 9 Pro Bowlers and 2 all-Pros. So OF COURSE if Brady is staying you keep the team together as much as possible
Antonio Byron already gone. Tom Brady retires in February. Marpet retires in February. Gronk is already believed to be retiring. Arians already believed to be on his way out
The team knowns more internally then all these PUBLIC events described above. The team is already going into rebuild mode as the 2021 season ends
INSTEAD . . Brady reverses ground on March 14th. The team has to turn it all around (as Arians actually retires).
"Brady's announcement triggered a flurry of free agent signings, re-signings, and restructuring, including Chris Godwin, Leonard Fournette, Shaq Mason, Russell Gage, Carlton Davis, Ryan Jensen, Julio Jones and others."
SO THE REASON YOURE PLAYING MONOPOLY MONEY GM . . with hindsight . . is that in REAL TIME IN THE REAL WORLD the Bucs did exactly what one would expect when Brady made the reversal. They kept the existing coaching staff and tried again to re-sign keep players including OF COURSE the CENTER
Doing "exactly what one would expect" got them 8-9 and $55M over the salary cap. Maybe that's what YOU would expect but I wanted a different direction and was vocal about it. Got ganged up on debates like usual and after the results are in I am once again correct. The Bucs are in cap hell because of stupid, preventable signings after they won their championship.
Barrett- For years I proved why his contract would flop and how the Bucs best option was to keep tagging him and trade him. You don't pay pass rushers that only produce in contract years. Now it's the worst contract on the team.
Jensen- Was an eye sore of a contract since he signed it. Bucs actually make a smart move and draft his replacement a year early. Contract expires and Bucs for some stupid ass reason re up him and the contract had a negative ROI.
White 5th year option- Dumb pick, dumb option.
Gage- Instead of trying to replace Scotty Miller they should have just maybe PLAYED Scotty Miller.
Without these 4 dumbass contracts on the books the Bucs would actually be under the salary cap right now. Add the savings from cutting Smith, Fournette, Brate, Succop and the Bucs would be $25M under the cap right now and we're talking about Derek Carr or Aaron Rodgers and not our dumbass GM talking up Kyle Trask.
Should the Bucs try to resolve the cap hell they are in next season or try to soften the cap problem by stretching it out over several years by restructuring contracts?
The only way they can get under the salary cap for 2023 is to stretch money into the future. They are just too far over and there's not enough options. The problem is there's already $104M of dead money rolled through 2026. Bucs are going to be in cap hell atleast until 2025 with a bottom tier roster.
it's not hindsight saying that we shouldn't have tried to win in 2022 after seeing the abortion of a season that it was? that is the exact definition of hindsight lmao
we were coming off back to back years of a Superbowl, followed by franchise high win season with Brady playing at MVP caliber levels in both years. He comes out of retirement and while we lost some pieces - AB, Gronk, Marpet; Gronk was still on the bubble at the time 2022 free agency was going on. We had the second highest odds to win superbowl per Vegas so nobody saw this coming except for "Debatable Dan, Captain hindsight" nobody likes to talk to at the company happy hours posters here...
it's not hindsight saying that we shouldn't have tried to win in 2022 after seeing the abortion of a season that it was? that is the exact definition of hindsight lmao
we were coming off back to back years of a Superbowl, followed by franchise high win season with Brady playing at MVP caliber levels in both years. He comes out of retirement and while we lost some pieces - AB, Gronk, Marpet; Gronk was still on the bubble at the time 2022 free agency was going on. We had the second highest odds to win superbowl per Vegas so nobody saw this coming except for "Debatable Dan, Captain hindsight" nobody likes to talk to at the company happy hours posters here...
you keep mentioning odds like they are the definitive view of the Bucs. That’s probably not crazy but shouldn’t you at least concede the timing and the drop off. Here’s the timing (pre-Gronk retirement and right after Brady said he was coming back:
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The Buccaneers sat at +2000 before this move, tied with the Titans and Ravens. Brady’s return moves the needle since he is still an elite player—and fantasy option—having finished second in the MVP after throwing 43 touchdown passes.
While Brady’s return makes the Buccaneers a legit Super Bowl contender, these odds seem a little rich to bet. Tampa Bay still has some roster concerns due to several key players like Rob Gronkowski and Leonard Fournette entering free agency.”
it's not hindsight saying that we shouldn't have tried to win in 2022 after seeing the abortion of a season that it was? that is the exact definition of hindsight lmao
we were coming off back to back years of a Superbowl, followed by franchise high win season with Brady playing at MVP caliber levels in both years. He comes out of retirement and while we lost some pieces - AB, Gronk, Marpet; Gronk was still on the bubble at the time 2022 free agency was going on. We had the second highest odds to win superbowl per Vegas so nobody saw this coming except for "Debatable Dan, Captain hindsight" nobody likes to talk to at the company happy hours posters here...
The error in your thinking is that you believe signing Jensen and Gage is okay because they were "trying to win". The reality is that A. Neither player was worth their contract. B. We didn't even need them because we already had Hainsey and Miller. C. Jensen and Gage didn't improve the 2022 Buccaneers by even 1%.
Instead of pouring money into Jensen and Gage they should have loaded up on contract year pass rushers with + traits like I've been saying for fucking 10 years.
We didn't even need them because we already had Hainsey and Gage
Hainsey was slated to play LG after Marpet's retirement. They were always to sign a veteran iOL to play either OG or OC, whether it was Jensen or somebody else.
Your delusions regarding Miller's ability are well documented. Gage outperformed him in every way, which makes your 1% comment laughable and highlights those well documented delusions.
That is all in the past and the Bucs can't do anything to change the contracts that have already been signed.And it's not hindsight.
of course it is and its dishonest hindsight at that
all one has to do is look at the timeline
The Bucs finish 2021 in January of 2022 with a last second field goal upset Divisional playoff loss.
They have 9 Pro Bowlers and 2 all-Pros. So OF COURSE if Brady is staying you keep the team together as much as possible
Antonio Byron already gone. Tom Brady retires in February. Marpet retires in February. Gronk is already believed to be retiring. Arians already believed to be on his way out
The team knowns more internally then all these PUBLIC events described above. The team is already going into rebuild mode as the 2021 season ends
INSTEAD . . Brady reverses ground on March 14th. The team has to turn it all around (as Arians actually retires).
"Brady's announcement triggered a flurry of free agent signings, re-signings, and restructuring, including Chris Godwin, Leonard Fournette, Shaq Mason, Russell Gage, Carlton Davis, Ryan Jensen, Julio Jones and others."
SO THE REASON YOURE PLAYING MONOPOLY MONEY GM . . with hindsight . . is that in REAL TIME IN THE REAL WORLD the Bucs did exactly what one would expect when Brady made the reversal. They kept the existing coaching staff and tried again to re-sign keep players including OF COURSE the CENTER
Doing "exactly what one would expect" got them 8-9 and $55M over the salary cap. Maybe that's what YOU would expect but I wanted a different direction and was vocal about it. Got ganged up on debates like usual and after the results are in I am once again correct. The Bucs are in cap hell because of stupid, preventable signings after they won their championship.
Barrett- For years I proved why his contract would flop and how the Bucs best option was to keep tagging him and trade him. You don't pay pass rushers that only produce in contract years. Now it's the worst contract on the team.
Jensen- Was an eye sore of a contract since he signed it. Bucs actually make a smart move and draft his replacement a year early. Contract expires and Bucs for some stupid ass reason re up him and the contract had a negative ROI.
White 5th year option- Dumb pick, dumb option.
Gage- Instead of trying to replace Scotty Miller they should have just maybe PLAYED Scotty Miller.
Without these 4 dumbass contracts on the books the Bucs would actually be under the salary cap right now. Add the savings from cutting Smith, Fournette, Brate, Succop and the Bucs would be $25M under the cap right now and we're talking about Derek Carr or Aaron Rodgers and not our dumbass GM talking up Kyle Trask.
Should the Bucs try to resolve the cap hell they are in next season or try to soften the cap problem by stretching it out over several years by restructuring contracts?
If you're looking for a plan that will fix the cap within 2 years.
1. Extend Mike Evans. Get his cap number down from 23.7 to about 13. Savings = $10.7M
2. Release Donovan Smith with a 6/1 designation. Savings = $15.2M
3. Release Ryan Jensen with a 6/1 designation. Savings = $3.5M
4. Release Russell Gage with a 6/1 designation. Savings = $5M
5. Trade Devin White. Savings = $11.7M
6. Release Shaq Mason with a 6/1 designation. Savings = $8.5M
7. Release Leonard Fournette with a 6/1 designation. Savings = $5M
8. Release Cam Brate with a 6/1 designation. Savings = $4M
9. Release Rya Succop. Savings = $3.75M
The good news this is a cap savings of $67.4M, giving the Bucs about $12M of cap space to operate. Bad news is it adds $21.3M of dead money into 2024.
We didn't even need them because we already had Hainsey and Gage
Hainsey was slated to play LG after Marpet's retirement. They were always to sign a veteran iOL to play either OG or OC, whether it was Jensen or somebody else.
Your delusions regarding Miller's ability are well documented. Gage outperformed him in every way, which makes your 1% comment laughable and highlights those well documented delusions.
You're not going to make a successful argument defending the Jensen contract.
1. Bucs still had Stinnie at this point. He played just fine in the Super Bowl run.
2. They obviously knew they were going to spend a premium pick on iOL.
3. Leverett stepped in and played well. He's been on the team 3 years, they had to know he was good.
You're not going to make a successful argument defending the Jensen contract.
The dark horse in this argument is the Brady effect and input he had into it.
