Depth players don't cost $20 mil a year. Come on. Godwin comes off one major injury, gets another one. Now you want to give him $60 mil over three years to help with our WR depth? We need to invest in defense. The Bucs may very well sign Godwin to such a deal, but they'll be sorry they did IMO because I think he'll come up injured again. He plays hard and gets hit a lot. He has a lot of mileage on those tires. It's too risky.The offense did just fine without him. We need better depth WRs though.
I wonder if re-signing Chris Godwin would help the depth in WR room? Crazy thought, but you never know - it might work.
And I wonder if that had anything to do with the SOS down the stretch.
The offense did just fine without him. We need better depth WRs though.
I wonder if re-signing Chris Godwin would help the depth in WR room? Crazy thought, but you never know - it might work.
Of course it would.
As the dope stated, he’d be WR3 on this team.
Would probably split reps with Sterling and Palmer. 🤡🤡🤡
Lucky Jason Licht is more fan than business. Dude grows attached to certain players and honestly that’s a good thing
He brought back the entire starting superbowl champ team. Clearly the right thing to do but how many GMs do that?
we followed up with franchise best wins
I hear ya on Godwin injury prone but it’s worth a shot
I guess you missed the last couple games when McMillan came into his own. In the last five games he had 24 catches on 31 targets for 316 yards. For a full season that's on pace for over 80 catches for over 1000 yards. That's as a rookie. That's about the kind of production Godwin got throughout his career except '21 and '22 when we had a pass happy offense with Tom Brady.The offense did just fine without him. We need better depth WRs though.
I wonder if re-signing Chris Godwin would help the depth in WR room? Crazy thought, but you never know - it might work.
Of course it would.
As the dope stated, he’d be WR3 on this team.
Would probably split reps with Sterling and Palmer. 🤡🤡🤡
Except in one category McMillan is already surpassing Godwin - TDs. The most TDs Godwin ever got in a season is 9. McMillan had 7 in his last five games. At that pace he would have over 20 for the season.
OK head shaker, the Glazers can afford it, so let me rephrase. The NFL has a salary cap. We need to use cap space on defense. To slot in $20 mil for a #3 WR doesn't make sense. You could structure a two or three year deal so the cap hit comes later, but we'll still be getting out from under his last contract. As I said, if Godwin wants to take a team freindly deal then I'm sure something can get done and perhaps he'll do that. But if he wants to get market value I don't think the Bucs can afford that. I mean Ican afford to take a cruise to Australia if I want to sell my house. It might not be a smart thing to do.They can't afford Godwin at the rate he's likely to command.
Smfh…
Yes, they can.
I don't disagree but Coen is what is going to lead the Bucs deeper in the playoffs as Bowles the DC failed more than Bowles the HC which is hard to believe but true.
I am no longer in favor of giving the defense so many resources if it is going to be squandered and might a well make the offense even better.
Except in one category McMillan is already surpassing Godwin - TDs. The most TDs Godwin ever got in a season is 9. McMillan had 7 in his last five games.
The most TD's that McMillan has had in a season is 7. Whereas, Godwin's is 9.
So, McMillan hasn't surpassed anything.
While a common thing around here and per usual, you're wrong.
For a full season that's on pace for over 80 catches for over 1000 yards.
And, Godwin was on pace for 158 targets, 121 catches, and 1400 yards...along with double digit TD's.
That's not to mention a catch percentage nearly 20% better than McMillan.
So, yeah, he's not WR3 on this team, Mr. Clown Shoes.
If you look at over the cap most of the cap space is now on offense versus defense. Based on that you could conclude that the Bucs should spend all cap resources to help the defense. But in the process if the Bucs lose Godwin that forces their hand with the draft, so more likely Bucs will push to re-sign Godwin and draft a WR in round 3 again.
Also, dumping Dean's contract makes the defense a lot less cap heavy which just indicates the the team want to focus on cap savings on defense. Which is why the Bucs could use what the Chiefs do which is focus a lot of draft selections on defense to keep costs down and load up the offense with cap space.
I guess you missed the last couple games when McMillan came into his own. In the last five games he had 24 catches on 31 targets for 316 yards. For a full season that's on pace for over 80 catches for over 1000 yards. That's as a rookie. That's about the kind of production Godwin got throughout his career except '21 and '22 when we had a pass happy offense with Tom Brady.The offense did just fine without him. We need better depth WRs though.
I wonder if re-signing Chris Godwin would help the depth in WR room? Crazy thought, but you never know - it might work.
Of course it would.
As the dope stated, he’d be WR3 on this team.
Would probably split reps with Sterling and Palmer. 🤡🤡🤡
Except in one category McMillan is already surpassing Godwin - TDs. The most TDs Godwin ever got in a season is 9. McMillan had 7 in his last five games. At that pace he would have over 20 for the season.
dude...while i was 'content' with McMillan coming along nicely in the second half, arguing that McMillian would be better than Godwin is Ludacris.
Godwin was dominating this year. Hell, Mike Evans was #2.
Getting Godwin back is pivotal. For those suggesting Bucs can't afford him, you dont fully understand the salary cap and how structuring contacts works. We have a Superbowl window open now. We lucked out after Brady by finding Gold in Baker; you dont sacrifice the present for an uncertain future.
That's about the kind of production Godwin got throughout his career except '21 and '22 when we had a pass happy offense with Tom Brady.
Except in one category McMillan is already surpassing Godwin - TDs. The most TDs Godwin ever got in a season is 9. McMillan had 7 in his last five games. At that pace he would have over 20 for the season.
You're overlooking Godwin's role on the team and his vast experience. Players are not just aggregate stats.
If you want to use one recent example for a head-to-head comparison though, Godwin does NOT drop the pass that McMillan dropped killing our first drive in the playoff game. If you're in the Super Bowl, final drive and you have to go to only one of them - Godwin or McMillan - you're going to Godwin 11 times out of 10 . .. because he's Godwin.
BUT THE COMPARISON IS NOT HEAD-TO-HEAD ANYWAY. It not Godwin or McMillan. Its Evans and McMillan (and "x") versus Evans, Godwin and McMillan. In other words, If you think McMillan is great imagine him on a field with Godwin and Evans, where he'd often times be getting the weakest DB. Imagine Evans with both Godwin and McMillan on the field. Our Super Bowl team passing game was almost unstoppable because it had Evans Godwin Gronk and AB . .. too much talent to cover. We couldn't beat the 49ers this season because we had NONE of those on the field.
Again, not just aggregate stats because their presence impacts the other positively.
Anyway, in your initial post you compared Godwin to "x" because the point you're trying to make is Godwin's MARKET PRICE is TOO EXPENSIVE. Think about the logical disconnect in those two concepts side-by-side. The reason Godwin's MARKET PRICE is TOO EXPENSIVE (in your view) is precisely because hes not comparable to an "x" . . . or McMillan. The MARKET is telling you that your argument is most likely wrong.
The whole thing sort of collapses on itself. If you think he's too expensive, maybe stop there?
Not sure I get the "Godwin is Injury prone" argument.
He's had 2 major injuries where 1. A defender torpedoed his knee, and 2. a defender used a classic hip drop tackle. Its not like he misses time because he deals with soft tissue injuries.
He's a huge part of this offense and even as good at is was after he went down, there were long stretches where they were totally stagnant. Godwin changes that.
I am all for helping the offense succeed and if the Bucs can bring back Godwin I am all for it.
Evans
Godwin
McMillan
2025 3rd round rookie
Palmer
Jarrett
That is a solid six WR group for Coen (cross our fingers he stays) to operate with. Coupled with the depth at TE (Otton, Durham, Culp) and RB (Bucky, White, Tucker) that cements the skill positions for the offense to possibly be elite again next season.
I am all for helping the offense succeed and if the Bucs can bring back Godwin I am all for it.
Evans
Godwin
McMillan
2025 3rd round rookie
Palmer
Jarrett
That is a solid six WR group for Coen (cross our fingers he stays) to operate with. Coupled with the depth at TE (Otton, Durham, Culp) and RB (Bucky, White, Tucker) that cements the skill positions for the offense to possibly be elite again next season.
why the third round pick on a WR? Notice how Palmer disappeared this year? only so many targets to go around
Now that would be a luxury!
i appreciate that Evans is older but given the holes on defense, our first 3 picks should be used for Edge, ILB, and CB in no particular order
I am all for helping the offense succeed and if the Bucs can bring back Godwin I am all for it.
Evans
Godwin
McMillan
2025 3rd round rookie
Palmer
Jarrett
That is a solid six WR group for Coen (cross our fingers he stays) to operate with. Coupled with the depth at TE (Otton, Durham, Culp) and RB (Bucky, White, Tucker) that cements the skill positions for the offense to possibly be elite again next season.
why the third round pick on a WR? Notice how Palmer disappeared this year? only so many targets to go around
Now that would be a luxury!
i appreciate that Evans is older but given the holes on defense, our first 3 picks should be used for Edge, ILB, and CB in no particular order
Palmer is a utility deep threat/return specialist at this point which is fine. If he, Johnson or Jarrett further develop that would be a bonus. But yes bringing in another 3rd round WR draftee to develop in the wings would be nice and help with the depth too.
I don't see a point in spending all draft picks on defense. Bucs spent draft picks on Smith and Braswell and the results were mixed while Bucky, McMillan and Barton just showed more because of the better coaching on offensive staff.
I think the draft strategy will be split like it was in 2024 where the Bucs first round pick is a trench player (eg DL or OL) and then they look at skill positions like CB, WR and LB in the following rounds.
Anyway, in your initial post you compared Godwin to "x" because the point you're trying to make is Godwin's MARKET PRICE is TOO EXPENSIVE. Think about the logical disconnect in those two concepts side-by-side. The reason Godwin's MARKET PRICE is TOO EXPENSIVE (in your view) is precisely because hes not comparable to an "x" . . . or McMillan. The MARKET is telling you that your argument is most likely wrong.
The whole thing sort of collapses on itself.
BINGO!
He plays hard, physical football. He's takes more hits than other WRs take. He's not injury prone because he has delicate bones and muscles, it's because of the way he plays football. That's what makes him a great player, but that's what's going to make him more likely to spend time on the shelf as his career goes on. Because Godwin has been a great player doesn't mean you will get the same production in the future.Not sure I get the "Godwin is Injury prone" argument.
He's had 2 major injuries where 1. A defender torpedoed his knee, and 2. a defender used a classic hip drop tackle. Its not like he misses time because he deals with soft tissue injuries.
He's a huge part of this offense and even as good at is was after he went down, there were long stretches where they were totally stagnant. Godwin changes that.
Cooper Kupp had 67 catches for 710 yards this year. He signed an $80 mil 3 year contract at roughly the same age as Godwin is now. I am willing to bet Rams fans were all ecstatic to learn that he was getting his contract. Now how happy are they? He counted $30 mil against the Rams cap this year and about that much next year and they won't save much by cutting him loose. You can't pay for past performance. You pay for future performance and somebody is going to overpay Godwin - probably the Bucs.
