He's at a pedestrian 4.2 while Irving is at 5.4 and Tucker is an insane 7.2. You want to discredit Tucker for it being a small sample size (eventhough if you know what you're looking at you know he has great skills).
Its not discrediting the player to say there is a small sample size? LOL. Its suggesting that you might need to see more to say DEFINITIVELY that "A" is better than 'B"
JC, you realize you tacitly admit what i just posted (in bold)? DO YOU GET THAT? You get that your won words are inconsistent, right? Because your next sentence is THE CLASSIC RED BOARD TROLL . . "if you know what you're looking at you know he has great skills."
Youre ADMITTING you are relying on your CLAIM that "know what you are doing" to see his talent in the absence of meaningful stats.
Heaven forbid someone points out you made the same kind of "I know what i am doing and you do NOT" claim about Scotty Miller, Luke McCown, Mike Glennon . . .
He's at a pedestrian 4.2
Josh Jacobs 4.4
Kyren Williams 4.0
Alvin Kamara 4.2
Joe Mixon 4.3
James Connor 4.3
Jonathan Taylor 4.3
David Montgomery 4.3
Breece Hall 4.2
De'Von Achane 3.9
Kenneth Walker 3.7
Travis Etienne 3.9
He's at a pedestrian 4.2
Josh Jacobs 4.4
Kyren Williams 4.0
Alvin Kamara 4.2
Joe Mixon 4.3
James Connor 4.3
Jonathan Taylor 4.3
David Montgomery 4.3
Breece Hall 4.2
De'Von Achane 3.9
Kenneth Walker 3.7
Travis Etienne 3.9
Bucs offensive line is significantly better than all of those teams, exept the Lions. Bucs, Lions, Eagles and Ravens lines are all playing at a level above the rest of the league.
Tucker 7.2
Barkley 6.1
Henry 5.9
Gibbs 5.7
Irving 5.4
Gainwell 4.9
Hill 4.4
Montgomery 4.3
White 4.2
Tucker is #2 in the league in success rate by the way. cOnTeXt
By the way on Tucker's 34 yard run, that's a 6 yard gain for White.
He's at a pedestrian 4.2
Josh Jacobs 4.4
Kyren Williams 4.0
Alvin Kamara 4.2
Joe Mixon 4.3
James Connor 4.3
Jonathan Taylor 4.3
David Montgomery 4.3
Breece Hall 4.2
De'Von Achane 3.9
Kenneth Walker 3.7
Travis Etienne 3.9
Bucs offensive line is significantly better than all of those teams, exept the Lions. Bucs, Lions, Eagles and Ravens lines are all playing at a level above the rest of the league.
Tucker 7.2
Barkley 6.1
Henry 5.9
Gibbs 5.7
Irving 5.4
Gainwell 4.9
Hill 4.4
Montgomery 4.3
White 4.2
Tucker is #2 in the league in success rate by the way. cOnTeXt
So what I'm gathering is David Montgomery is also pedestrian and Sean Tucker is obviously the three-way love child of Jim Brown, Emmitt Smith, & Barry Sanders.
I love it when people never learn their lessons.
He's at a pedestrian 4.2
Josh Jacobs 4.4
Kyren Williams 4.0
Alvin Kamara 4.2
Joe Mixon 4.3
James Connor 4.3
Jonathan Taylor 4.3
David Montgomery 4.3
Breece Hall 4.2
De'Von Achane 3.9
Kenneth Walker 3.7
Travis Etienne 3.9
Bucs offensive line is significantly better than all of those teams, exept the Lions. Bucs, Lions, Eagles and Ravens lines are all playing at a level above the rest of the league.
Tucker 7.2
Barkley 6.1
Henry 5.9
Gibbs 5.7
Irving 5.4
Gainwell 4.9
Hill 4.4
Montgomery 4.3
White 4.2
Tucker is #2 in the league in success rate by the way. cOnTeXt
So what I'm gathering is David Montgomery is also pedestrian and Sean Tucker is obviously the three-way love child of Jim Brown, Emmitt Smith, & Barry Sanders.
I love it when people never learn their lessons.
Montgomery is pedestrian. He was a 3.9 ypc back his 4 years in Chicago. Gibbs is superior, I hope they give Montgomery carries if we play them again.
And I stand by my Emmitt Smith comparison for Tucker. 3 carries for 47 yards and you guys still think he should be playing special teams. And I'm the crazy one.
“Rachaad White in games he has more gap than zone runs:
27 car, 162 yds, 6.0 yds/car, 116 YAC, 4.3 YAC/car, 1.7 yds before contact/car
All games where he has more zone than gap runs:
72 car, 231 yds, 3.2 yds/car, 187 YAC, 2.6 YAC/car, 0.6 yds before contact/car”
- Per Queipo via X
I was harping on this at the beginning of the season. Good to see Coen adjusting.
you guys still think he should be playing special teams. And I'm the crazy one.
The inevitable strawman
Montgomery is pedestrian.
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
1.7 yds before contact/car
0.6 yds before contact/car”
That is a significant difference. I mean, how many times must he have been hit at or before LOS to have a 0.6 yards before contact?
Not that JC will acknowledge how much this effects what were talking about, but that is a significant difference maker in what a RB can do with the ball.
Uh, some of you guys do realize that Tucker isn't the second coming of Barry Sanders, right? He ain't going to run for 7.2yds/carry over a season or if you give him the rock 10+ times/gm for the rest of the season. That number will drop down to something closer to, if not less than, the NFL average. The eye test alone tells you he's good, but he's not elite/generational.
That said, I would like to see him carry the ball more, but there's a reason or three he's not.
Sidenote: when considering White's avg/carry it's important to take into account that when TB is in goal-to-go/short yardage situations, he's usually the RB, which means he's often running some kind of short-yardage play anyway. Not saying he'd average a lot more than he is if he wasn't, but if he's running 10%+ of his rushes for short-yardage, that is going to have a negative effect his overall average.
If there was only a game we could see the running game without White dragging it down…
JC I've defended you in the past but you're off your rocker here.
1.) it's still a limited sample size but by your logic he's the best RB in the league.
2.) all these other RBs that are WIDELY considered to be the best in the league are near or below White.
3.) the reason why these RBs are "behind" Tucker is because of the sample size. When you have more volume you're doing allllllll the run plays... Some runs plays are designed to set up the pass and not break a big play. Some are to eat clock. Some are against great defenses. Some are goal line. Some are blown up in the backfield.
4.) Tucker simply by the eye ball test has looked like a good RB. I think he is a *slightly* better RB than White but I don't wanna speak in hyperboles like you "Tucker is the best and White sucks".
5.) Tucker has the same amount of lost fumbles with far less carries so his limited sample size hurts him there.
6.) He barely played vs the stout run teams we played like Baltimore, Detroit, KC, etc. In fact the most work he's had are against the Raiders and Saints and Giants so....
JC I've defended you in the past but you're off your rocker here.
1.) it's still a limited sample size but by your logic he's the best RB in the league.
2.) all these other RBs that are WIDELY considered to be the best in the league are near or below White.
3.) the reason why these RBs are "behind" Tucker is because of the sample size. When you have more volume you're doing allllllll the run plays... Some runs plays are designed to set up the pass and not break a big play. Some are to eat clock. Some are against great defenses. Some are goal line. Some are blown up in the backfield.
4.) Tucker simply by the eye ball test has looked like a good RB. I think he is a *slightly* better RB than White but I don't wanna speak in hyperboles like you "Tucker is the best and White sucks".
5.) Tucker has the same amount of lost fumbles with far less carries so his limited sample size hurts him there.
6.) He barely played vs the stout run teams we played like Baltimore, Detroit, KC, etc. In fact the most work he's had are against the Raiders and Saints and Giants so....
1) He might be. Might not be. Why does a 7.2 ypc, 58% success rate RB have such a limited role?
2.) The best RBs in the league, Barkley and Henry, are far ahead of White in YPC and success rate. Barkley is 6.1 and 56%. Henry is 5.9 ypc and 57%. White is 4.2 ypc and 48%.
3.) So let's increase his sample size.
4.) He's looked like a great RB. That's why his YPC is so high. Our TD% when he's involved in a drive upward of 75%
5.) He has no lost fumbles this year. Meanwhile White opened the most important game of the year with a lost fumble.
6.) I remember starting the second half with him vs the Chiefs, scoring a TD, then icing him, then losing.
Why does a 7.2 ypc, 58% success rate RB have such a limited role?
the reasons have bene stated here over and over
Our TD% when he's involved in a drive upward of 75%
same thing with Durham or McMillan and of course BOTH RBs in front of him (i.e., talk about a BOGUS stat)
5.) He has no lost fumbles this year. Meanwhile White opened the most important game of the year with a lost fumble
earlier you compared Tucker to White by using White's career YPC, but for Tucker fumbles is just this season? and "lost?"
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