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Posted by: @m_j

our fast WR screens are becoming predictable,

I agree but man the last one for the TD by McMillan is  ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL

 

https://www.nfl.com/games/raiders-at-buccaneers-2024-reg-14?active-tab=watch

 

When McMillan receives the ball there are FOUR . . . FOUR  .. . lineman out to help him.  Evans and Shephard lead all but one DB away from McMillan

If you keep watching you will see Evans turn around to watch really early, bouncing up and down arm raised in the air, so they knew it was working. 

McMillan is escorted in by our Center

Talk about timing and the right call

 

 

 
Posted : Dec. 9, 2024 2:33 pm
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90 yards on 17 carries behind an elite run blocking OL. Wow. Now how many yards do you think Tucker would have gotten?

Using this logic... You'll need to factor in how poorly the line played prior years to diminish his average.

And how predictable Canales and Lefty were with his runs.

 

 
Posted : Dec. 9, 2024 8:20 pm
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Coen is definitely going through some growing pains right now. Hes gotta stop abandoning the run when its working. We couldve sealed that game in the 1st half had he just kept pounding the rock. They had no answer for it.

 
Posted : Dec. 9, 2024 11:18 pm
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White 4.2 ypc - 120 carries and 40 receptions for 300yds and 5tds?

Irving 5.4 ypc - 137 carries and 36 receptions for 300 yds

Tucker 7.2 ypc - 30 carries and 7 receptions

Yea I'm agenda setting by saying stop giving White handoffs. Idiots

 

context

add in the sack by a DB he gave up

 

For context can you add Tucker's receiving stats. Did you leave it out because it would reveal Tucker is a more efficient back than White?

 

 

I left it out because it didnt show up calculated, In other words, TOO LAZY.  its not worth much effort to respond to your troll.

Just like there was a run yesterday to support your crusade FOR Tucker . .  there is an actual play where he gave up a sack to a DB   and hes on the field because . .  Irving is hurt  . . . and IN THAT GAME yesterday White ran for 90 and 2TDs and a couple receptions and it was. . .  a WIN

 

 

 

Dont interrupt the delusion, it won’t help and you’ll get in a bottomless rabit hole guesstimating the total number of yards Tucker would have gotten.

Tis the season. JC hasn’t missed any windmills to tilt over the last couple of decades.

 

 
Posted : Dec. 9, 2024 11:22 pm
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Posted by: @jc5100

90 yards on 17 carries behind an elite run blocking OL. Wow. Now how many yards do you think Tucker would have gotten?

Using this logic... You'll need to factor in how poorly the line played prior years to diminish his average.

And how predictable Canales and Lefty were with his runs.

 

How do you account for him being so far behind Irving and Tucker?

 

 
Posted : Dec. 10, 2024 9:17 am
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90 yards on 17 carries behind an elite run blocking OL. Wow. Now how many yards do you think Tucker would have gotten?

Using this logic... You'll need to factor in how poorly the line played prior years to diminish his average.

And how predictable Canales and Lefty were with his runs.

 

How do you account for him being so far behind Irving and Tucker?

 

 

street clothes?

 

 
Posted : Dec. 10, 2024 9:25 am
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The Bucs had a prolific passing offense that featured Evans and Godwin.  To JC, that prolific passing offense should have been even better IF ONLY the Bucs utilized Scotty Miller.

In 2024 the Bucs have a prolific running offense that features Irving and White. To JC, that prolific running offense should be even better IF ONLY the Bucs utilized Sean Tucker

JC, you might need a new act?

Either way, I think everyone sees the potential for Tucker, but most can see with their own eyes that there's no CONSPIRACY to keep him off the field. The other two guys are good. He got on the field when Irving was injured.  He had a good run AND GAVE UP A BAD SACK

Hope Irving is back but if not hope Tucker runs for 200 yards!

And learns how to block a 190 lb DB

 
Posted : Dec. 10, 2024 9:36 am
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90 yards on 17 carries behind an elite run blocking OL. Wow. Now how many yards do you think Tucker would have gotten?

Using this logic... You'll need to factor in how poorly the line played prior years to diminish his average.

And how predictable Canales and Lefty were with his runs.

 

How do you account for him being so far behind Irving and Tucker?

 

How is this a counter point to me telling you why White has a "bad" average?

Tucker has an extremely limited sample size.

Surely you understand the value in volume and context when you examine statistics?

Stats are like bikinis. They show you something but not everything. 

 

 
Posted : Dec. 10, 2024 11:05 am
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90 yards on 17 carries behind an elite run blocking OL. Wow. Now how many yards do you think Tucker would have gotten?

Using this logic... You'll need to factor in how poorly the line played prior years to diminish his average.

And how predictable Canales and Lefty were with his runs.

 

How do you account for him being so far behind Irving and Tucker?

 

How is this a counter point to me telling you why White has a "bad" average?

Tucker has an extremely limited sample size.

Surely you understand the value in volume and context when you examine statistics?

Stats are like bikinis. They show you something but not everything. 

 

 

everyone else here certainly understood your point. 

 

 
Posted : Dec. 10, 2024 11:12 am
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Posted by: @bucman

Coen is definitely going through some growing pains right now. Hes gotta stop abandoning the run when its working. We couldve sealed that game in the 1st half had he just kept pounding the rock. They had no answer for it.

Spot on. 

 

 
Posted : Dec. 10, 2024 12:28 pm
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Coen is definitely going through some growing pains right now. Hes gotta stop abandoning the run when its working. We couldve sealed that game in the 1st half had he just kept pounding the rock. They had no answer for it.

 

totally and Coen is entitled to have a learning curve. 

 

 
Posted : Dec. 10, 2024 12:33 pm
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Any word on Bucky injury? Was that all precaution to keep him out? 

 
Posted : Dec. 10, 2024 12:34 pm
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90 yards on 17 carries behind an elite run blocking OL. Wow. Now how many yards do you think Tucker would have gotten?

Using this logic... You'll need to factor in how poorly the line played prior years to diminish his average.

And how predictable Canales and Lefty were with his runs.

 

How do you account for him being so far behind Irving and Tucker?

 

How is this a counter point to me telling you why White has a "bad" average?

Tucker has an extremely limited sample size.

Surely you understand the value in volume and context when you examine statistics?

Stats are like bikinis. They show you something but not everything. 

 

He does have a bad yards per carry. You want to make the excuse of the OL and Canales, ok. But now we have an improved line and improved running scheme. He's at a pedestrian 4.2 while Irving is at 5.4 and Tucker is an insane 7.2. You want to discredit Tucker for it being a small sample size (eventhough if you know what you're looking at you know he has great skills). But why does Irving have a 29% greater YPC than White? We all know the answer, but you don't want to say it because it applies to Tucker also. 

Pro Football Reference has a stat called success rate,based on down and distance. 

Tucker 58%

Irving 53%

White 48%

Ouch

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Posted : Dec. 10, 2024 12:36 pm
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90 yards on 17 carries behind an elite run blocking OL. Wow. Now how many yards do you think Tucker would have gotten?

Using this logic... You'll need to factor in how poorly the line played prior years to diminish his average.

And how predictable Canales and Lefty were with his runs.

 

How do you account for him being so far behind Irving and Tucker?

 

How is this a counter point to me telling you why White has a "bad" average?

Tucker has an extremely limited sample size.

Surely you understand the value in volume and context when you examine statistics?

Stats are like bikinis. They show you something but not everything. 

 

He does have a bad yards per carry. You want to make the excuse of the OL and Canales, ok. But now we have an improved line and improved running scheme. He's at a pedestrian 4.2 while Irving is at 5.4 and Tucker is an insane 7.2. You want to discredit Tucker for it being a small sample size (eventhough if you know what you're looking at you know he has great skills). But why does Irving have a 29% greater YPC than White? We all know the answer, but you don't want to say it because it applies to Tucker also. 

Pro Football Reference has a stat called success rate,based on down and distance. 

Tucker 58%

Irving 53%

White 48%

Ouch

Again CONTEXT. Tucker and Bucky got some major inflated stats vs awful saints run defense and they gave up. White missed that game.

White also gets the carries late game with leads where they know it's a run to burn clock.

Tucker simply does not have a large enough sample size to assess.

And like I said... I give the slight edge to Tucker as a runner but everything else to White.

 

 
Posted : Dec. 10, 2024 12:44 pm
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90 yards on 17 carries behind an elite run blocking OL. Wow. Now how many yards do you think Tucker would have gotten?

Using this logic... You'll need to factor in how poorly the line played prior years to diminish his average.

And how predictable Canales and Lefty were with his runs.

 

How do you account for him being so far behind Irving and Tucker?

 

How is this a counter point to me telling you why White has a "bad" average?

Tucker has an extremely limited sample size.

Surely you understand the value in volume and context when you examine statistics?

Stats are like bikinis. They show you something but not everything. 

 

He does have a bad yards per carry. You want to make the excuse of the OL and Canales, ok. But now we have an improved line and improved running scheme. He's at a pedestrian 4.2 while Irving is at 5.4 and Tucker is an insane 7.2. You want to discredit Tucker for it being a small sample size (eventhough if you know what you're looking at you know he has great skills). But why does Irving have a 29% greater YPC than White? We all know the answer, but you don't want to say it because it applies to Tucker also. 

Pro Football Reference has a stat called success rate,based on down and distance. 

Tucker 58%

Irving 53%

White 48%

Ouch

Again CONTEXT. Tucker and Bucky got some major inflated stats vs awful saints run defense and they gave up. White missed that game.

White also gets the carries late game with leads where they know it's a run to burn clock.

Tucker simply does not have a large enough sample size to assess.

And like I said... I give the slight edge to Tucker as a runner but everything else to White.

 

Interesting. So how did you feel about Tucker's 34 yard run in the 4th qtr with a 4 point lead? Kind of hurts your argument. 

 

 
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