I don't think White runs like Bell. Bell was the NFL version of Frogger. Nobody was better than Bell at sitting patiently behind his blockers until a small crack opened up Bell would shoot through it. White runs hard and can make some moves, but mainly he's physical and uses his forward momentum to pick up tough yards. He's not going to elude too many people, but if you tackle him when he has a head of steam, he'll get three or four yards on the way down. So, when you are trying to wear down an opponent with the running game, White is a good person to put in there.White runs like Leveon Bell and it hasn't worked as well lately.
exactly
It can work and he does a lot of good things, but his style jumps off the screen when you watch how Irving succeeds.
Will be interesting to see what happens with RB2 in this playoff game. If we get up and go into run mode, I guess it will be Tucker. if we are one score ahead or behind, probably White.
I think a little trust was lost with White when Mayfield made that great play to White only to have White fumble. That was a huge play and it might be why he didn't get in the game, but I think he'll have fresh legs for the playoffs and the Bucs need badly to establish the run and keep Daniels off the field. I think we'll see White get a good handful of plays.
Yeah, I don’t particularly like the Leveln Bell association with White either. I think it was made because he sometimes hesitates during runs. However, whatever he doesn’t see behind the LOS, flips when you get him the ball in space.
Regarding the fumble, not sure anyone can pin that on White, that was just a miracle play by a guy who just stripped the ball out, at the last second, while White was going to the ground.
I just think Bucky’s style of play fits the run scheme the o-line is currently running. Maybe White would fit the wide gap Coen was initially trying to utilize?
Still, White has demonstrated almost elite talent in the screen and in open field pass plays.
I don't think White runs like Bell.
White thinks he runs like Bell.
That is one reason I've used the reference. When he was drafted White said he tries to emulate Bell:
https://www.buccaneers.com/news/five-things-to-know-bucs-third-round-pick-rachaad-white-pick-91
"5. He looks up to Le'Veon Bell.
Game represents game. When asked what player he has tried to emulate, White mentioned Le'Veon Bell."
White has always had the sort of hop step behind the line. I agree that Bell was a special player and White is not that, but he tries to be and that style jumps off at you when you see a true quick hole hitting RB. White can hit the hole like that too and he does, but he also reverts to the Bell stuff
White has demonstrated almost elite talent in the screen and in open field pass plays.
yes exactly he is a very good all around RB.
He is a solid runner, incredible in the pass game and open field running and good at pass pro . . and apparently a great teammate
Nothing but respect for White
and I dont think that last fumble was on him as much as justa great play by the defender
I mean, realistically, just how much does this guy think Coen should be running the ball?
40 times a game…
…but only if Emmitt Smith 2.0 is getting 65% of the carries.
Sean Tucker is averaging 6.2 yards per carry but is getting less than 3 carries a game. It's a problem.
Listen, I was banging the “Tucker needs more carries” drum long before you were.
But, there’s clearly a reason why he’s #3 on the depth chart.
Hopefully, in the offseason, he can work on his pass pro, and slide up.
And, while I agree that Coen has been a little too “cute” lately with his play sequencing; I’m not stupid enough to want to jet a guy who’s led a Top-5 offense as a rookie play caller.
yeah anyone still clamoring for Tucker over Bucky are the same type that thought Luke McCown was the answer!
I'm not clamoring Tucker over Bucky. I'm clamoring Bucky and Tucker getting a combined 30+ carries a game and White staying on the bench where he belongs.
for this upcoming Washington game, we should have a heavy dose of run game, i will give you that
Washington ranks 30th with 137 yards allowed on the ground. Would have to think Bucs coaching staff is smart enough to have a heavy rush attack this week.
Bucky is the bell cow clearly. And looks like White didnt even get a carry last week.
Tucker out carried him in not only week 18 but also week 17.
White needs to hold onto the football and appears to be in the doghouse
When we played at Carolina they were #32 in ypc against and he came out chucking. Miracle we didn't lose.
When we played at Dallas they were #31 in ypc against and he came out chucking. Lost that game and everyone blamed Bowles, especially SR who was going on and on about Coen replacing Bowles eventhough it was Coen's fault we lost.
This running game is so good it can lead us to 4 wins on the post-season. But he has to embrace it, not be empty on 3rd and 2. Run the ball until they stop it. Not run for 6, run for 25, pass for -7. Tucker needs consistent carries.
Everyone can acknowledge our best players are on offense. The defense needs help. Part of that help is keeping them off the field. Run heavy, high time of possession, less stops our defense has to make. I've seen teams go on playoff runs with ridiculous run/pass ratios. That's the blueprint for this team.
This running game is so good it can lead us to 4 wins on the post-season.
Tucker needs consistent carries.
This level of delusion is comical.
When we played at Carolina they were #32 in ypc against and he came out chucking. Miracle we didn't lose.
When we played at Dallas they were #31 in ypc against and he came out chucking. Lost that game and everyone blamed Bowles, especially SR who was going on and on about Coen replacing Bowles eventhough it was Coen's fault we lost.
This running game is so good it can lead us to 4 wins on the post-season. But he has to embrace it, not be empty on 3rd and 2. Run the ball until they stop it. Not run for 6, run for 25, pass for -7. Tucker needs consistent carries.
Everyone can acknowledge our best players are on offense. The defense needs help. Part of that help is keeping them off the field. Run heavy, high time of possession, less stops our defense has to make. I've seen teams go on playoff runs with ridiculous run/pass ratios. That's the blueprint for this team.
I'll echo your concerns with my biggest concern about Sunday's game.
Washington is 30th in rushing yds allowed. Tampa Bay is 4th in rushing yds gained.
Washington is 3rd in passing yds allowed. Tampa Bay is 3rd in passing yds gained.
The Bucs game plan HAS to be run-heavy. Sure the Bucs need to throw it some, but if they come out slinging it, it will be the wrong way to start the game. Pound the rock. Get on top. Pound the rock some more. Keep the defense fresh.
Some of you guys are funny. Check out the first half of the NOR game and how their defense lined up. They had 8-9 guys in/around the box neaerly every snap. 2 LBs right over the A-gaps, LBs on the edges, and their DBs up tight. And their outside DBs weren't even looking at their assignments; they were looking into the backfield half the time.
In other words, they were looking for TB to run and throw screens early. That's why Baker checked out of a lot of plays most likely, because the numbers didn't make sense. Now, to their credit, they did run it anyway into loaded boxes throughout the game, with mixed results. But you have to sometimes run into loaded boxes, otherwise as an offense you're just allowing the defense to dictate your playcalling. But the basic logic is that when the defense is obviously playing the run/screen game, you check out of that play and run something else, duh.
And this has been the defensive gameplan vs. TB for several weeks/months now. That's why we saw CAR/DAL/LAC jumping Tb's screen game and stuffing the outside runs. As a matter of fact, pretty sure I saw the same alignments vs. SF as well.
When we played at Carolina they were #32 in ypc against and he came out chucking. Miracle we didn't lose.
When we played at Dallas they were #31 in ypc against and he came out chucking. Lost that game and everyone blamed Bowles, especially SR who was going on and on about Coen replacing Bowles eventhough it was Coen's fault we lost.
This running game is so good it can lead us to 4 wins on the post-season. But he has to embrace it, not be empty on 3rd and 2. Run the ball until they stop it. Not run for 6, run for 25, pass for -7. Tucker needs consistent carries.
Everyone can acknowledge our best players are on offense. The defense needs help. Part of that help is keeping them off the field. Run heavy, high time of possession, less stops our defense has to make. I've seen teams go on playoff runs with ridiculous run/pass ratios. That's the blueprint for this team.
I'll echo your concerns with my biggest concern about Sunday's game.
Washington is 30th in rushing yds allowed. Tampa Bay is 4th in rushing yds gained.
Washington is 3rd in passing yds allowed. Tampa Bay is 3rd in passing yds gained.
The Bucs game plan HAS to be run-heavy. Sure the Bucs need to throw it some, but if they come out slinging it, it will be the wrong way to start the game. Pound the rock. Get on top. Pound the rock some more. Keep the defense fresh.
This is all well and good if TB comes out and gets the ball first to get, and play with the lead....if Washington gets the ball first and marches down the field controlling the clock, look for them to load the box and do exactly what FeelinDangerous alluded to when we do have the ball.. That's where we get in trouble. If Washington goes into the half with say a 24-14 half time lead, and a big lead in T.O.P. then we had better hope that Bowles can make the halftime adjustments to allow the offense time to do what they do and bail out the defense. I will say that I feel like maybe Coen got too cute in recent weeks trying to feed Evans the ball to keep his streak alive, but now that we're past that I think the offense should open up a bit more.
If Washington stacks the box, that leaves the secondary open… good thing Mike’s healthy and has the monkey off his back, that JMac has come into his own, and that Cade Otton & Payne Durham are both capable blockers and pass catchers.
…but that kind of offense scores faster than the grind it type.
If Washington stacks the box, that leaves the secondary open… good thing Mike’s healthy and has the monkey off his back, that JMac has come into his own, and that Cade Otton & Payne Durham are both capable blockers and pass catchers.
…but that kind of offense scores faster than the grind it type.
Agree completely bro! I'm all for that we need a balanced offense thats in the range of between 50-50 and 55-45 pass/run, but JC will be in the corner looking all pissy pants
@seekpar - this offense sets up the run with the pass. Every game that we’ve come out and gone straight down the field and scored a TD was because we ran play action passes and screens, with a run play sprinkled in. Teams know everyone wants to establish the running game first. That’s why Coen has so much success on early drives throwing the ball. The few games where that didnt work were because of blatant drops… a few by our boy Shepherd. Don’t worry about our best coordinator. That side of the ball will find a way. We take the offense’s success for granted now. Even in game where fans get on to the offense they end up scoring 26+ points. Hopefully our defense can keep Washington under 30.
I can already tell what is going to happen. Whether it's this week, next week or the week after: Coen will be 70% pass, throwing on 2nd and 4s, 3rd and 2s, etc. Opposing team will have a high volume of plays, defense gets shredded, we lose something like 27-34, Bucky will have 15 carries for 100 yards, Tucker will have 3 carries for 21 yards, media calls for Bowles to be fired for Coen.
