the Bucs NEVER followed a run with a run, even when the first run was 7 yards. That is one thing that really stands out from Coen
I lost count how many times the ran back to back against the Saints. Talk about change
Clearly they dialed stuff back. Just get to the bye, rest up get healthy.
Wirfs missed zero games with Coen. In fact our OL stayed pretty much intact with Coen
Wirfs DID miss time under Coen.
Goedeke missed MULTIPLE games.
Barton missed time as well.
If you need to make shit up to bolster your argument, you should probably just sit it out.
not to the extent we are facing today.
Wirfs missed zero games with Coen. In fact our OL stayed pretty much intact with Coen
Wirfs DID miss time under Coen.
Goedeke missed MULTIPLE games.
Barton missed time as well.
If you need to make shit up to bolster your argument, you should probably just sit it out.
not to the extent we are facing today.
Facts.
I think we had Dan Feeney at RG? lol
Grizz controls the plays called. but to suggest the impact of injuries was the same in 2024 under Coen its just weird. The CENTRAL feature of Coen's offense s the RUN game. The run game takes O-line continuity and a good RB. White has been okay, but pretty obviously NOT = to a fully healthy Bucky Irving. And the O-line has been on SHUFFLE all season.
If Barton is playing LT, he's NOT playing Center. Playing C next to Mauch is way different than playing next to Jordan then Haggard then Jordan then Feeney.
offense has been very mid. Now the caveat is all the injuries on the offensive side of the ball. I mean it's remarkable we are 6-2
Evans, Godwin, McMillian, Irving, Wirfs, and Goedeke all missing significant time.
that being said, Coen was still a much better play caller
the numbers do not lie. Even if the games that Godwin and Evans missed combine, Bucs were still averaging 25 points per game in that 4 game stretch.
Grizzard has alot to prove and he's better than Leftwich. I would give him the edge over Canales but slightly. Coen was elite in his 1 year. Grizzard should strive to get there by years end
Even if the games that Godwin and Evans missed combine, Bucs were still averaging 25 points per game in that 4 game stretch
I thought Evans missed three games in that 2024 srtetch? I could definitely be wrong, but 3 of those games were LOSSES and against the 49ers and Falcons, both wins for Grizz this year.
Its really almost impossible to compare the two because of injuries AND MORE IMPORTANTLY because their offenses are different, at least up to this point.
The thing that alos makes Grizz VERY different than either Leftwich or Canales is that Grizz is/was the actual architect. Leftwich and Canales were both just guys reading off a sheet and running someone else's offense (Recall Canales started Godwin outside to make him fit with the Carroll's offense) whereas Grizz was actually the CREATOR of that hugely successful 3rd down offense last season.
That gives me more hope than I would've had with lefty or Canales. And a willingness to see how things play out if/when we have a healthy offense. I mean, Egbuka and Mayfiled were not themselves yesterday, do to injury I assume. And what about Wirfs? Not sure we have ever seen him struggle like that. Thats the 3 stars of the offense.
Grizzard has alot to prove and he's better than Leftwich.
Against the Saints, I would say barely better than Lefty. I mean, by a fraction of a centimeter better.
Coen needs to
Fire, thought you'd get a kick out of Coen answering a question about scouting his offense during the bye:
"You look at, especially offensively, when you’re on schedule, usually good things have occurred and when you’re off schedule, it’s tough sledding. We've got a couple different tweaks of how we want to try to get guys the ball and get our best players the ball in space and how to stay a little bit better ahead of the chains and executing first and second down a little bit better, so that third downs are a little bit more manageable."
I wouldn't say that is "playing for third down," but it is pretty close.
When he was with the. Bucs we had RBs ripping off 5+ yards on 1st down runs, so we were most often ahead of the chains.
Evans and Godwin missed significant time last year. Otton missed time. White missed time. The line had plenty of injuries... I think Baker played through some injuries as well.
Obviously Godwin has been out and/or not even himself for all of 2025. He was a MAJOR contributor to Coen's offense to start the 2024 season. He was breaking records.
The line did have moments of injury BUT if you just compare them, this was 2024 snap counts (% of snaps)
WIRFS - 90%
BREDESON - 98%
BARTON - 93%
MAUCH- 99%
GOEDEKE - 79%
Thats a lot of CONTINUITY. In 2025 its been
WIRFS - 60%
BREDESON - 100% (but some at C)
BARTON - 100% (but some at LT)
MAUCH- 26% (filled by Klein, Feeney, Jordan, Haggard)
GOEDEKE - 13% (Filled by Hecht)
Thats the entire right side if the line gone and most notably the two fire starter guys, Mauch and Goedeke.
And it shows. In 2024 the Bucs were a TOP 5 run game at a whopping 145 yds per game and Irving 45% of that run Game. Irving is out, so is the entire right side of the line and we are 24th in the league in running (YPG) at only 98 YPG.
Thats almost 50 yards of offense per game.
Why cant Grizz just implement Coen's offense. That was supoosed to be the point!!! You dont have to "fix what aint broken." He's a far cry from Coen...
Because the Bucs do not have guards that can't really put for traps. I mean Bredeson can do it but that is the truth. And you are missing Godeke on the right side which is considered the power side of formations.
Grizzard has done a very good job integrating all the WRs and RBs into the offensive game plan despite the injuries. For example in the Saints game Tucker, White and even the rookie Williams all had their touches and Grizzard's game plan to spread the ball around worked despite missing Irving, Godwin, Evans, McMillan, etc.
Where Grizzard needs to tune his craft is in the red zone where you need to design more specific plays for White to split out wide or for Tucker who is more a slasher that can bounce it back outside.
Bucs do not have the firepower to "overpower" teams in goal line situations because they have too many injuries on the interior OL. Part of playing interior OL is strength, leverage getting underneath but also hand placement and that is where elite OL talent can make it look easy.
Why cant Grizz just implement Coen's offense. That was supposed to be the point!!! You dont have to "fix what aint broken." He's a far cry from Coen...
I think you're answering your own question or at least providing a possibility. It is broken. An offense is a bunch of diagrams and concepts, you still need players to pull it off. Grizz has gad had an O-line, at best, and it all probably starts from there.
So, just using the early games as an example, we scramble the OLine up so you have not only everyone playing put of position and back ups BUT you also have Otton staying in to help a lot. All pieces interconnected. No Otton out in pattern equals one less weapon . . etc etc. Like dominoes.
Not taking anything way from Coen
That was supoosed to be the point!!! You dont have to "fix what aint broken."
the more you look back at stuff Coen ran the more I'd say the current state of the LINE is a big part of the difference. I say that because we dont even see Grizz call a bunch of the counter stuff that Coen used.
These arguments make no sense. We are missing our starters on the line so we just run vanilla dive plays over and over and predictably run on first down?
So it's both an issue that Grizz has to deal with but he's also NOT DEALING WITH IT.
We can't power run so yeah let's run 9 dives from the 1 yard line.
It's Grizz's job to win some plays on scheme and misdirection. He's rarely doing that...
He completely abandoned Coen's run game too.
I'm not saying Grizz has an easy hand but I am saying he was supposed to bring continuity and be able to weather these injuries like Coen did and he hasn't...
He's, imo, called 3 good games. The rest are average or bad... And Baker can't play at an MVP level all season (he's showing us that now)
Grizzard is giving away his plays by personnel and it’s bad personnel on top of it. Oh look Durham and/or Miller is in the game. Here comes with a run with a slight chance of play action. They bring Miller in the game, in the box and all it does is bring a DB in the box. Durham sucks as a blocker. I don’t know why he’s playing so much. The best run of the day was out of no TE set vs a light box. Gizzard is formationing loaded boxes and we don’t have the horses to block it without Mauch, Goedeke and Kieft.
Bucs should be a strictly 11 and 10 personnel team.