PFT agrees
"This isn’t specifically about Commanders coach Dan Quinn. He’s just the latest example of it.
NFL coaches need to better protect their quarterbacks.
For quarterbacks who are playing, it’s critical that they avoid unnecessary contact. It’s a constant issue for players like Tua Tagovailoa. Know when to get down, when to throw the ball away, when to get out of bounds.
Their coaches also need to know when to get them the hell out of the game.
The starting quarterbacks are the most important players on their rosters. The better the quarterback, the more important the quarterback. The more important it is for the quarterback to be available."
Do you not agree?
PFT agrees
"This isn’t specifically about Commanders coach Dan Quinn. He’s just the latest example of it.
NFL coaches need to better protect their quarterbacks.
For quarterbacks who are playing, it’s critical that they avoid unnecessary contact. It’s a constant issue for players like Tua Tagovailoa. Know when to get down, when to throw the ball away, when to get out of bounds.
Their coaches also need to know when to get them the hell out of the game.
The starting quarterbacks are the most important players on their rosters. The better the quarterback, the more important the quarterback. The more important it is for the quarterback to be available."
Do you not agree?
yes i agree
I think most would agree our offense has been hobbled by injuries much of the season so far but here is the BYE week comparison
Bucs better PPG
The Bucs have the 15th ranked scoring offense at 24.6 PPG playing against the 13th ranked defense average
The Jaguar have the 20th ranked scoring offense at 22 PPG playing against the 11th ranked defense average
Bucs better Head to head, the Bucs offense has outperformed the Jags in every game
Texans - Jags offense scored 17, Bucs scored 20
49ers - Jags offense scored 26,m Bucs offense scored 30
Seahawks - Jags scored 12, Bucs scored 38
Again, not criticizing Coen at all, just pointing out that Grizz is not doing so poorly, especially if you factor in injuries.
PFT agrees
"This isn’t specifically about Commanders coach Dan Quinn. He’s just the latest example of it.
NFL coaches need to better protect their quarterbacks.
For quarterbacks who are playing, it’s critical that they avoid unnecessary contact. It’s a constant issue for players like Tua Tagovailoa. Know when to get down, when to throw the ball away, when to get out of bounds.
Their coaches also need to know when to get them the hell out of the game.
The starting quarterbacks are the most important players on their rosters. The better the quarterback, the more important the quarterback. The more important it is for the quarterback to be available."
Do you not agree?
yes i agree
Then you also agree Godwin is Bowles fault
PFT agrees
"This isn’t specifically about Commanders coach Dan Quinn. He’s just the latest example of it.
NFL coaches need to better protect their quarterbacks.
For quarterbacks who are playing, it’s critical that they avoid unnecessary contact. It’s a constant issue for players like Tua Tagovailoa. Know when to get down, when to throw the ball away, when to get out of bounds.
Their coaches also need to know when to get them the hell out of the game.
The starting quarterbacks are the most important players on their rosters. The better the quarterback, the more important the quarterback. The more important it is for the quarterback to be available."
Do you not agree?
yes i agree
Then you also agree Godwin is Bowles fault
No. I can certainly see the argument (as I said yesterday), but the scenarios are different, right? The similarity is HINDSIGHT for sure, but the actual scenarios are different. I can illustrate and, of course, you dont have to agree but I can lay them out.
PFT agrees
"This isn’t specifically about Commanders coach Dan Quinn. He’s just the latest example of it.
NFL coaches need to better protect their quarterbacks.
For quarterbacks who are playing, it’s critical that they avoid unnecessary contact. It’s a constant issue for players like Tua Tagovailoa. Know when to get down, when to throw the ball away, when to get out of bounds.
Their coaches also need to know when to get them the hell out of the game.
The starting quarterbacks are the most important players on their rosters. The better the quarterback, the more important the quarterback. The more important it is for the quarterback to be available."
Do you not agree?
yes i agree
Okay.
So, then, help me understand how you don’t feel the same about Bowles and the Godwin situation?
They’re practically the same thing.
I think most would agree our offense has been hobbled by injuries much of the season so far but here is the BYE week comparison
Bucs better PPG
The Bucs have the 15th ranked scoring offense at 24.6 PPG playing against the 13th ranked defense average
The Jaguar have the 20th ranked scoring offense at 22 PPG playing against the 11th ranked defense average
Bucs better Head to head, the Bucs offense has outperformed the Jags in every game
Texans - Jags offense scored 17, Bucs scored 20
49ers - Jags offense scored 26,m Bucs offense scored 30
Seahawks - Jags scored 12, Bucs scored 38
Again, not criticizing Coen at all, just pointing out that Grizz is not doing so poorly, especially if you factor in injuries.
Correct. This doesn't necessarily mean Grizz is better but, it's certainly a goofy argument/discussion point given all the variables. The Jags are a more talented team on O than the Bucs are today, the 3rd of November. That's not debatable.
Then you also agree Godwin is Bowles fault
lets start with the basics.
Jayden Daniels is a QB and he is down 4 scores (24 points) when he injured. I guess you could say 3 with 3 two points, but to keep them roughly on the same comparison i would say 4 scores. The one big difference for the Commander is TIME. Daniels is injured with 7:30 to go, roughly? But on the other hand, they have been hassling him all game so he was pronbably going to be pulled soon anyway.
Godwin is a WR (albeit a very good one) and he is hurt down when are down TWO scores and LOADED with momentum. Fire, I think you said 3, but its TWO and the scenario is different and here are a few reasons
1. MOMENTUM - Unlike the Commanders, we are coming back on the Ravens - we scored 3 TDs in the 4th and importantly hold them to force a PUNT
2. There is 1:34 left -- why does that matter? Because we need a TD (or FG) and time left on the clock for an ONSIDE KICK. Why does that matter? BECAUSE its a scenario where we should expect success.
To that point, the drive before is about the same time, little better field position and we score a TD.
We have the same basic scenario later in the season against the Chiefs - starting with almost the same field position and time - and we drive 80+ yards for a TD and leave about 30 second on the clock. In other words, the game is in REACH. The onside kick is of course, a long shot, but the first step -- scoring a TD and leaving time - in not a problem ESPECIALLY with all the momentum on our side (zero momentum for Commanders).
POINT: an NFL offense is not out of a game with 1:35 left and the ball and down two scores. Hell, you can probably think of a handful of games just this season where teams kept playing with their best in. Didn't the Chiefs just do this with Mahomes? Its almost the NORM. Too lazy to count the number of games
3. HINDSIGHT - the Daniels injury is of course hindsight but it more defensible because of the circumstances. Its likely that people question Daniel (the entire offense almost for the Commanders) still being on EVEN IF HE IS NOT INJURED. In fact, the TV commentators probably start talking about the Commanders pulling him off because he IS the offense and they are down 4 scores and its pretty common to pull a QB (as compared to a WR).
Absolutely no chance there is a thread on the Red Board saying the Bucs should have pulled Godwin if we go down and score, Godwin is NOT injured, and we still lose because we dont recover the onside kick. Especially if he scores the TD. He's making the key play when he is injured.
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So, again I understand the argument. I just dont agree with it because you play to win and the Bucs still have a REASONABLE chance -- momentum, down 2 scores with time and a KEY STOP. Multiple NFL games THIS SEASON alone have key players - INCLUDING QBs - staying in until the end . . down two scores
3. HINDSIGHT -
4. REALITY -- If Daniels stays on and maybe they score a TD and a FG (what the Bucs needed) there are probably still questions for the HC, especially if the opponents score again. If the. Bucs score a TD (just like they did the drive before) and recover an onside kick and, maybe kick a long FG (with a great long kick kicker) and then win in overtime . . the team and HC are CELEBRATED for the "never say die attitude!"
Your point (FIRE) rest on the belief that the outcome is a foregone conclusion BECAUSE IT WAS IN THIS GAME. . thats HINDSIGHT. . . because its not a foregone conclusion with 1:48 to go down two scores and a big stop.
TO PROVE THAT POINT: Can you imagine the Bucs going out and taking a knee 4 times with 1:48 left? Thats the equivalent of pulling starters. It only because of the way it played out that you can say it was a mistake to keep playing. If the Bucs are playing still with 1:48 down two cores they are not doing it with backups
last point. . . about HINDSIGHT.
This is game day thread in the 4th quarter, the first of what would be three TDs, I think"
Rachaad woot.
looks somewhat respectable.
d gets a 3 and out slim hope
the D did not get the 3 and out. They scored a TD BUT we came right back with TWOI TDs and a big stop
Anyway, take a look.
I think you will read a lot of dejection but I think only Trask -- who DH and Biggs troll relentlessly as a football "idiot" etc - post that its time to pull the starters. Most of the posts are just following the game along until . .
"Godwin broken leg"
Biggs will be along later to call all those points a "loony string post". LMAO
I think most would agree our offense has been hobbled by injuries much of the season so far but here is the BYE week comparison
Bucs better PPG
The Bucs have the 15th ranked scoring offense at 24.6 PPG playing against the 13th ranked defense average
The Jaguar have the 20th ranked scoring offense at 22 PPG playing against the 11th ranked defense average
Bucs better Head to head, the Bucs offense has outperformed the Jags in every game
Texans - Jags offense scored 17, Bucs scored 20
49ers - Jags offense scored 26,m Bucs offense scored 30
Seahawks - Jags scored 12, Bucs scored 38
Again, not criticizing Coen at all, just pointing out that Grizz is not doing so poorly, especially if you factor in injuries.
Correct. This doesn't necessarily mean Grizz is better but, it's certainly a goofy argument/discussion point given all the variables. The Jags are a more talented team on O than the Bucs are today, the 3rd of November. That's not debatable.
Jfc dude... You think we're the most talented team in the league in some threads then you think the hapless jags are more talented here.
Jags have Lawrence at QB and we have Baker... That alone is a huge advantage ACCORDING TO YOU.
Your arguments are ever evolving and wildly inconsistent
They’re practically the same thing.
they are not at all. I just posted it
They are actually quite similar in the sense of what their odds were to win the game.
When Godwin went down, the Ravens had a 99.8% chance to win the game.
It was nearly mathematically/statistically impossible for the Bucs to win.
And, that’s not factoring in that we had earlier lost our #1 receiver to what looked like a long term injury.
Clearly, Todd does no wrong in your eyes here (if ever).
So, we’ll agree to disagree on this one.
And, hopefully, Chris is more than a shell of himself moving forward; and that this injury didn’t rob him of the last part of his prime.