Coen vs Grizzard?? Jaguars Running game was shy of electric; Bucs not so much!! Can Grizzard ignite last years success or was it Coen factor? Thoughts?
Not to downplay it because its a great question, but the Panthers were maybe the worst run defense in the league last year. The Jags also played them with a big lead . I dont think the Jags had a great run offense so TO BE FAIR Coen is definitely doing his thing. Again, not downplaying it
I also wonder how much our run performance was the circumstance ie no Wirfs, reshuffled line, close game etc. We actually had some good runs, but we didnt run consistently for sure..
one of the great stories for this season Grizz v Coen
Yeah let's see how we run the ball once Wirfs is back.
Panthers will make any run game look good
Well here's the comparison:
Coen Game 1 - 30 carries, 112 yards 3.7 YPC.
Griz Game 1 - 23 carries 104 yards 4.4 YPC.
OK so what was your point again?
Well here's the comparison:
Coen Game 1 - 30 carries, 112 yards 3.7 YPC.
Griz Game 1 - 23 carries 104 yards 4.4 YPC.
OK so what was your point again?
wow pretty good for Grizz then
I think we are playing with the lead most of the Commanders game (Wk 1 2024) so that is part of the difference.
Maybe the thing about the Falcons game is that the running was a little feast/famine
Well here's the comparison:
Coen Game 1 - 30 carries, 112 yards 3.7 YPC.
Griz Game 1 - 23 carries 104 yards 4.4 YPC.
OK so what was your point again?
Okay.
Now take out the Baker scrambles from each game.
Also, last season R. White was RB1 and took the majority of rushes Week 1, vs. this season Irving took the majority of those snaps.
that said, my guess is the OL reshuffle and Wirfs not being out there probably had more to do with the inefficiency of the run game more than anything else.
@donkey_hunter Regardless if it was Baker or a Running Back the O-line and the Receivers where the reason Baker could run. Team Sport!!
Well here's the comparison:
Coen Game 1 - 30 carries, 112 yards 3.7 YPC.
Griz Game 1 - 23 carries 104 yards 4.4 YPC.
OK so what was your point again?
Okay.
Now take out the Baker scrambles from each game.
yeah it goes down to 3.8 YPC in 2024 versus 3.1 in 2024, when it is just the running backs so advantage COEN
BUT thee 2024 O-Line starting line up was Wirfs, Bredeson at LG, Barton at C, Maych at RG and Godeke at RT.
The 2025 game was alos much closer. In 2024 we put Trask in, I think. Bucky Irving ran for 30+ yard on one run in the 4th quarter. Thats PLAYING WITH THE LEAD.
You remember Bucky Irving, right? lol
anyway, a little difference due to game flow. but yes the run game was off and on against the Falcons
OK. Non-Baker rushing:Well here's the comparison:
Coen Game 1 - 30 carries, 112 yards 3.7 YPC.
Griz Game 1 - 23 carries 104 yards 4.4 YPC.
OK so what was your point again?
Okay.
Now take out the Baker scrambles from each game.
Baker 3 for 21 in '24 so that's 27 for 91 equals 3.4 ypc for Coen Game 1.
Baker 5 for 39 in '25 is 18 carries for 65 equals 3.6 YPC for Griz Game 1.
OK. Non-Baker rushing:Well here's the comparison:
Coen Game 1 - 30 carries, 112 yards 3.7 YPC.
Griz Game 1 - 23 carries 104 yards 4.4 YPC.
OK so what was your point again?
Okay.
Now take out the Baker scrambles from each game.
Baker 3 for 21 in '24 so that's 27 for 91 equals 3.4 ypc for Coen Game 1.
Baker 5 for 39 in '25 is 18 carries for 65 equals 3.6 YPC for Griz Game 1.
In 2024, it was 25 carries for 93 yards (3.7 YPC)
In 2025, it's 18 carries for 62 yards (3.4 YPC)
Yeah let's see how we run the ball once Wirfs is back.
Panthers will make any run game look good
Agreed.
I'm not passing judgement.
Let's see where we're at when the line is back intact.
This is kind of a really small sample size (too small). It also compares a healthy o-line to a patchwork one…I can’t believe I’m saying this, but the best conclusion is the one DH & Fire came up with (ie, more/better data needed).
Given the impossible criteria, the results were pretty stunning, and we did win.
Good enough for the Texans? We still don’t know.
Come out and take what the Texans give us this week. Don’t let Bowles get in your ear and push to establish a running game. Play like last year. Throw on early downs and get the defense off balance. Then build up the running game as the game moves along.
This is kind of a really small sample size (too small). It also compares a healthy o-line to a patchwork one…I can’t believe I’m saying this, but the best conclusion is the one DH & Fire came up with (ie, more/better data needed).
Given the impossible criteria, the results were pretty stunning, and we did win.
Good enough for the Texans? We still don’t know.
Defense will need to be stout next week. Their o-line is a bottom 5 unit. Offense won't put up more than 24 imo.
It'll look like their clash with the Rams but maybe a little higher scoring.
Line needs to generate pressure without blitzes