So, you think Bowles would accept a demotion, and stay, here?If Bowles is fired or demoted I think we need an offensive minded HC.
keep Bowles as DC or get someone that can.
HCs can not and should not be DCs.
can you think of one that has done that and has done that well? I cannot.
after losing canales last year(still shocked by that. even when he interviewed I was like yeah right no way) losing coen id give a better chance than not he leaves sadly. Hope we either give him a raise or promote him.
last thing baker needs is a new offensive system and OC for yet another year. Again.
I don’t.
I do think Coen’s ability to optimize Baker and this offense - with and without the two best receivers in franchise history - has made it extremely difficult for the GM to allow him to leave.
Bowles is 61, so committing to him as a long term option probably isn’t their way forward. Bill Cower was 35 and stepped out at 49… Mike Tomlin was hired at 35 and is currently 52…
I only mention them because it’s my theory that the Bucs ownership/GM are building a culture that supports a head coach, allows them to grow into the role, similar to the model in Pittsburgh. The coach gets some security and learns from mistakes, while the team/fanbase is rewarded with long(er) term success.
Before anyone asks, I don’t like the Steelers, never have, but I have admired their winning consistency. The system works. No idea if there’s any validity to it, just something I think I see.
Ar any rate, Coen is only 38, he would fit right into the future - and Tom Moore and Arians are on staff that could be a big help to a brand new NFL OC that’s would need to take on head coaching duties.
Now, the defense would present a new problem. Hiring a DC that can plug in new talent to the critical roles that are causing the current issue, while still winning and that can leverage the really good pieces currently on the roster. I initially thought this would be difficult, but the offense has already done this, twice. The Bucs would be an attractive landing spot for any candidate.
What to do with Bowles? Well, they could just do what they did with Arians… promote him to the defensive advisor to the the GM…
Boom, everyone’s happy.
That is, as long as it is successful and whatever move we make doesn’t cost us wins…
a culture that supports a head coach, allows them to grow into the role, similar to the model in Pittsburgh. The coach gets some security and learns from mistakes, while the team/fanbase is rewarded with long(er) term success.
from your keyboard to the Glazers' eyes!
Would be great!
Coach speak:
"I don’t know if I’ve ever seen anybody averaging close to 30 points a game in a first-year takeover — in a new offense,” Arians said. “So it’s a credit to the guys buying in.”
Only if Belichick was the head coach. Look this organization operates on it's own wavelength. Arians quit and moved to the front office and they appointed Bowles HC without going through the normal procedure. He knows the score. He knows that he is a transitional type of coach. Even if Licht fires Bowles, I don't think he'll throw him under the bus. Players stay here instead of going elsewhere. Bowles and the Bucs could come to an arrangement to keep Bowles here in some capacity, and DC isn't that outrageous of an idea. But it wouldn't be to work under some run of the mill guy or under Coen. It would have to be somebody with a stature like Belichick, and there's only one guy with that stature.So, you think Bowles would accept a demotion, and stay, here?If Bowles is fired or demoted I think we need an offensive minded HC.
keep Bowles as DC or get someone that can.
HCs can not and should not be DCs.
can you think of one that has done that and has done that well? I cannot.
after losing canales last year(still shocked by that. even when he interviewed I was like yeah right no way) losing coen id give a better chance than not he leaves sadly. Hope we either give him a raise or promote him.
last thing baker needs is a new offensive system and OC for yet another year. Again.
I don’t.
The Bucs need to promote Coen to Assistant Head Coach with a sizeable pay raise to keep him if they retain Bowles.
It's tricky, because that would basically be making Coen the defacto head coach anyway. He'd be the golden child while Bowles is on the hot seat from the start. I don't mean that Coen would get into some kind of tug of war with Bowles, but it would be an awkward situation to start a season with. The Bucs need to do what needs to be done and get on with it. Unless Bowles can pull this season out of the fire and fast I don't see him surviving.... as head coach.The Bucs need to promote Coen to Assistant Head Coach with a sizeable pay raise to keep him if they retain Bowles.
The Bucs need to promote Coen to Assistant Head Coach with a sizeable pay raise to keep him if they retain Bowles.
Agreed. This would be the typical play and one reason I mentioned the differences between Canales and Coen
if it comes down to Coen or Bowles, the Bucs will likely choose Coen to keep the continuity with Mayfield
It really is a no brainer
Let's see Mayfield on his way to 40 Touchdown passes and Bucs maintaining a top 5 offense without any receivers.
Bucs defense, led by Bowles, is bottom 5 and he has had questionable devastating calls the last 3 weeks.
the preferred scenario by ownership will be to retain both Bowles and Coen for next year with Bowles still having 2 years left on his deal, but the decision will come down to Coen and his marketability. If he is getting head coaching interview request, they may decide to pull the plug on Bowles a year early
It would be franchise malpractice to keep Bowles because of his .500 record and to lose Coen. Hell, it maybe a tough decision if the defense was actually good. The fact that they are Hellen Keller likes doesn't even make it a question.
Depends, if you had options to be THE GUY, or would you prefer to be ONE of the guys?
I think some of it may be money…but the right guy wont take a minimized role.
i think it’s going to be all or nothing (in Tampa) for Coen. If it continues as-is on both sides of the ball, there wont be a lot of room for compromise. There will be options for Coen.
the preferred scenario by ownership will be to retain both Bowles and Coen for next year with Bowles still having 2 years left on his deal, but the decision will come down to Coen and his marketability. If he is getting head coaching interview request, they may decide to pull the plug on Bowles a year early
this
Bowles compares very favorably to Lovie Smith BUT Smith was hired with a 5 year contract and fired after 2 years and the Bucs hired Koetter a week or so later because he was getting HC interviews.
Again, Bowles is not Smith and there were other big differences, but Bowles is certainly in the range in terms of remaining contract and Coen will likely be a hot commodity for a number of reasons
Rarely does a coach run out their contract outside of Dallas. You usually to extend or fire prior to that. I don't know if the Bowles contract details on line are accurate, but the average head coach makes about $5 mil per year. I doubt the Glazers think twice about giving Bowles a $10 mil severance package which of course doesn't count against the cap.
Still in the slow-the-roll mode, we still have almost as many games to go as we have played so far…
I doubt the Glazers think twice about giving Bowles a $10 mil severance package which of course doesn't count against the cap.
Correct, he's in the window now where they would let him go BUT as WT points out there is a LONG way to go. If the Bucs beat the 49ers, for example, people start thinking differently.
Its different on the Red Board then the FO, not surprisingly lol. If Bowles has the team compete down the stretch he probably stays because, again, everyone in the FO knows the team has been playing with a partial hand because of the cap.
The Coen/Koetter example might be the only wildard
if it comes down to Coen or Bowles, the Bucs will likely choose Coen to keep the continuity with Mayfield
It really is a no brainer
Yet, it escapes a few on here.
Quite remarkable when you think about it.
