escapes a few on here.
Quite remarkable when you think about it.
Who? Name the names? lol
Sure, but then what do you do to help Coen? You can't just make him head coach and say "Go to it! Good luck!" He's not ready for that job. He'll have a learning curve to say the least. Are the fans and the organization ready to have a head coach who is learning on the job? It's a complex job and it will take away from his offensive strategizing and play calling to some extent. Bowles has trouble focusing on the coordinating job and he's experienced. We need to keep Coen at all cost, but what's that going to mean for the 2025 Bucs? Licht has been pointing toward that year for the Bucs to be contenders and you'd have a coach who is not ready to coach a contending team.if it comes down to Coen or Bowles, the Bucs will likely choose Coen to keep the continuity with Mayfield
It really is a no brainer
Yet, it escapes a few on here.
Quite remarkable when you think about it.
That argument is lost here, there are many here who have a vague memory of what a bad transition can be like.Sure, but then what do you do to help Coen? You can't just make him head coach and say "Go to it! Good luck!" He's not ready for that job. He'll have a learning curve to say the least. Are the fans and the organization ready to have a head coach who is learning on the job? It's a complex job and it will take away from his offensive strategizing and play calling to some extent. Bowles has trouble focusing on the coordinating job and he's experienced. We need to keep Coen at all cost, but what's that going to mean for the 2025 Bucs? Licht has been pointing toward that year for the Bucs to be contenders and you'd have a coach who is not ready to coach a contending team.if it comes down to Coen or Bowles, the Bucs will likely choose Coen to keep the continuity with Mayfield
It really is a no brainer
Yet, it escapes a few on here.
Quite remarkable when you think about it.
You can’t debate a concept that not all fans have some reference/history. I will say that with guys like Tom Moore & Bruce Arians currently on staff, that have decades of NFL coordinator & head coaching experience, we’re in a better position to make that type of transition than we have ever been to support a new head coach.
But it’s always a crapshoot.
Still not sure the organization will make a move like this, but if Coen’s offense keeps producing, it would seem to support a transition.
The key is finding the right DC that can both utilize the bulk of the existing key defensive talent, while also being a good complimentary match to the offense.
Yeah it's a crapshoot, but its not just whether Coen is good HC material. I'd be willing to bet on him that he is going to be a good coach, but not right away.
Bottom line to me is that neither fans nor the organization is prepared to make 2025 a transition year, and what I mean by that is LOSING or breaking even. How many years do you think Vita Vea has in his prime? How many for Tristan Wirfs? Winfield? Mayfield? On down the line.. We can't assume they can play at a high forever. 2025 is what the Bucs have been pointing toward. They can't afford to have a young guy getting on the job training no matter how good of a coach he'll be in the end. They'll need an experienced head coach. No matter how much we need Coen to be ready, that doesn't make him ready.
Sure, but then what do you do to help Coen? You can't just make him head coach and say "Go to it! Good luck!"
The mental gymnastics you and the rest of the Bowles’ supporters go through on a daily basis is extremely impressive.
Side note, can you send me that Devin White jersey you said I’d be wearing a few weeks ago.
I'm not a Bowles supporter. I said he should be fired simply because he didn't win especially going 0-2 against Atlanta. Head coaches make mistakes, but if they win all is forgiven. See Dan Campbell. Its about winning, not how many mistakes the head coach makes. I'm the one suggesting Bill Belichick. I'm fine with Bowles being fired. At this point I'd be disappointed if he was still the head coach in 2025.Sure, but then what do you do to help Coen? You can't just make him head coach and say "Go to it! Good luck!"
The mental gymnastics you and the rest of the Bowles’ supporters go through on a daily basis is extremely impressive.
Side note, can you send me that Devin White jersey you said I’d be wearing a few weeks ago.
Do you think Coen should be the Bucs head coach in 2025? Yes or no? I'm willing to give a clear answer which is no.
Do you think Coen should be the Bucs head coach in 2025?
If it’s the only way we can keep him, then I’ll clear out Todd’s desk personally.
Coen will probably be a HC somewhere. If not the Bucs, then for another team. Head coaches make far more money than assistant coaches. The bad side about taking a HC job is that is it usually for a team that is bad.
Coen will probably be a HC somewhere. If not the Bucs, then for another team. Head coaches make far more money than assistant coaches. The bad side about taking a HC job is that is it usually for a team that is bad.
I think Canales has now gone back to his young QB. If he’s able to turn that around … wow
Therein lies the problem. Yes they struck gold with Coen but he's not ready. Nobody here on this board has said that he is. They've only said they don't want to lose him to another team. The Bucs have high paid players locked up and in their prime and they will have cap space to hit the free agent market to fill in the gaps and make a run in 2025. They have Baker Mayfield playing at a high level. They've been pointing toward 2025 ever since they moved on from the Brady era. Whether you think they can do it or not, it's time to take their shot in 2025.Coen will probably be a HC somewhere. If not the Bucs, then for another team. Head coaches make far more money than assistant coaches. The bad side about taking a HC job is that is it usually for a team that is bad.
They can't turn around now and make 2025 a transition year while Coen receives on the job training. He could bomb out, get fired, and the Bucs are a mess and his career as a head coach is probably on the same track as Raheem Morris. There's a lot that goes into being a head coach besides calling plays.
Yes they struck gold with Coen but he's not ready.
According to who...you?
Yes they struck gold with Coen but he's not ready.
Hmm, not sure about that.
I have said that he doesn't have the same reputation in the league as Canales (a well-known future HC and Pete Carroll HC mentee), but all it takes is ONE owner to disagree with your "but the Red Board hasn't said" assessment . ..
IF he is interviewed though, the Bucs still have the upper hand because they could punt Bowles or, perhaps more likely, Given Coen the wink/nod HC job for 2026 with big titlte and $$ in 2025
Yes they struck gold with Coen but he's not ready.
Hmm, not sure about that.
I have said that he doesn't have the same reputation in the league as Canales (a well-known future HC and Pete Carroll HC mentee), but all it takes is ONE owner to disagree with your "but the Red Board hasn't said" assessment . ..
IF he is interviewed though, the Bucs still have the upper hand because they could punt Bowles or, perhaps more likely, Given Coen the wink/nod HC job for 2026 with big titlte and $$ in 2025
actually, just realized something that make me want to change my position completely
Bowles is going to RETIRE at the end of the season and Coen is going to take over. Already part of the plan
Yes. When you write an opinion, you don't have to say "In my opinion...". This is something you learn in writing class in middle school. If you are writing an opinion it's assumed it's your opinion. I will occasionally put IMO because I want to emphasize that it's just an opinion, but pretty much everything anybody posts on this board is their opinion.Yes they struck gold with Coen but he's not ready.
According to who...you?
Do you think he's ready to lead a team into the playoffs? We love his offense, but has he been talked up for being a leader like Canales or Morris? We haven't heard anything much one way or the other about that. Maybe he's too focused on creating and implementing an effective offense with a running game which is a pretty big job. He's likeable enough but we don't know what kind of leader he is. You'd take him over Bowles and so would I. But IMO the Bucs have to find Option C which is to keep Coen around and make him heir apparent. That gives him the option of waiting a couple years at the most to take over the reigns on a good team rather than immediately taking over the reigns on a bad team. Hire a hall of fame defensive minded coach who only wants to coach for two more years. Any suggestions?
