It would be pretty funny if the QBs slipped because the GMs and coaches didn't think they are any good like Cosell. Guess it wouldn't be the first time.
His mechanics are definitely flawed, but that is essentially his only flaw
I agree with him. But teams will still reach.
+1I don't see a QB worthy of a 1st round pick, especially 5.1 JFF - he will get physically beat up in the NFL (See Washington Redskins)
JFF reminds me of a qb who is currently playing in New Orleans rather than Washington
JFF has giant mits that allow him to grip a football like it's a children's nerf football. Because of that, he doesn't run like a RB or a WR. He runs like he isn't even carrying a ball at all. He just runs around like a mad man playing tag....and it is ridiculously effective. He'll have to be careful in the NFL because defenders will target the ball more and go for the fumble.....but in college when they try that approach it usual results in a huge run because they miss the tackle. I think most defenders are too afraid to go for the strip. Also, JFF can throw with amazing accuracy no matter what his feet are doing. Haters try to say that this is a bad thing, but it couldn't be a bigger positive. It doesn't matter if he is being chased to the right or left, back peddling away from the rush, throwing across his body, or juking and diving....he will make the throw and 9 out of 10 times it is very accurate. This also gives him a great leg up on quick screens and slants. He doesn't even turn and set his feet. As soon as the ball touches his hands he twists his upper body and throws. It happens so fast it is impossible to stop if the defender is playing 5 yards off or more. Lastly, when JFF does have time in the pocket to make reads and throw with correct mechanics, he has a beautiful and accurate mid/deep ball.
I like JFF. His highlights are fantastic. But when watching the entire games, it comes down to his decision making. He is just too skitzy. There are times that a receiver is just breaking open and JFF just starts running around like a chicken with his head cut off. Or he will scramble around and then just chuck the ball up into a mass of humanity. He is very intriguing. Watching film I flip flop every 2 minutes between top 10 talent and 4th rounder. Usually a QB either is on my list or off but to me the 2nd round would be where the risk would meet the reward. Because his upside is huge. So I can't take him completely off the board, whereas most QBS would be off the board with those types of issues. I also don't think JFF will be good as a plug and play rookie. I think it will take him a year or two to figure things out.
I like JFF. His highlights are fantastic. But when watching the entire games, it comes down to his decision making. He is just too skitzy. There are times that a receiver is just breaking open and JFF just starts running around like a chicken with his head cut off. Or he will scramble around and then just chuck the ball up into a mass of humanity. He is very intriguing. Watching film I flip flop every 2 minutes between top 10 talent and 4th rounder. Usually a QB either is on my list or off but to me the 2nd round would be where the risk would meet the reward. Because his upside is huge. So I can't take him completely off the board, whereas most QBS would be off the board with those types of issues. I also don't think JFF will be good as a plug and play rookie. I think it will take him a year or two to figure things out.
This is pretty much where I am as well. Very well said.
I think it is very accurate to say Manziel has a scattered style of play, but what I like is that when he is scrambling, he still displays great field awareness and doesn't lose the ability to still pass the ball, like Tony Romo or Jeff Garcia, as opposed to Tim Tebow or Vince Young, who once they start running, the only thing they're thinking about is running.
Anyone who passes on Teddy is a fool. Read something the other day that some people think he can run a 4.4 40 at the combine.
Anyone who passes on Teddy is a fool. Read something the other day that some people think he can run a 4.4 40 at the combine.
Yet he rarely runs out of pocket, so how important is that?
Anyone who passes on Teddy is a fool. Read something the other day that some people think he can run a 4.4 40 at the combine.
Yet he rarely runs out of pocket, so how important is that?
Very... because he actually can play in the pocket.Maybe be doesn't run a 4.4 but pass first pocket QB with that kind of wheels would be nice to have.
I like JFF. His highlights are fantastic. But when watching the entire games, it comes down to his decision making. He is just too skitzy. There are times that a receiver is just breaking open and JFF just starts running around like a chicken with his head cut off. Or he will scramble around and then just chuck the ball up into a mass of humanity. He is very intriguing. Watching film I flip flop every 2 minutes between top 10 talent and 4th rounder. Usually a QB either is on my list or off but to me the 2nd round would be where the risk would meet the reward. Because his upside is huge. So I can't take him completely off the board, whereas most QBS would be off the board with those types of issues. I also don't think JFF will be good as a plug and play rookie. I think it will take him a year or two to figure things out.
I disagree with you on a great many things, but I agree with you here 100%. He is the epitome of a boom/bust pick. With where we are as a franchise I don't believe we are in a position to take that kind of risk.
Anyone who passes on Teddy is a fool. Read something the other day that some people think he can run a 4.4 40 at the combine.
Yet he rarely runs out of pocket, so how important is that?
Because if need be he could still do things like this ....
...but unlike most running QB's , he doesn't have to rely on it.
Gonna be interesting to see the measurements of Bridgewater and Manziel lol. Some tiny dudes.
TB is the only QB worth a top 5 pick.I'd give up next years 1st to draft the guy. He lives football.
What's pretty clear in this thread is that many of you haven't really paid attention to what Greg Cosell really actually says about these players. - He was asked about Ryan Nassib at a time when Geno Smith was the consensus #1 QB by just about everyone (Mayock had Smith number 1). He said that he liked him the best, and specifically liked him better than Geno Smith. He also pointed out that nobody in the class was as good as Luck, RGIII, or even Tannehill, and called the entire class weak. And how do we know Nassib isn't the best QB in last year's class? Glennon's clearly the best so far, and he's so good that 50% of the board demands we replace him. - I don't know if he ever called Tyler Wilson #2, but he didn't rate him all that highly. He called him "intriguing" because his tape was boom or bust. He noted that at times he looked like a "free agent." When the Raiders drafted him, he said he could see him developing into a "solid starter" and if everything went exactly right a Matt Schaub-level guy. - Justin Hunter was compared to Randy Moss by tons of people well before the draft. Mostly, that's because stylistically he's similar and they both were almost exactly the same size. Everything I ever read about Cosell and Hunter was that he thought Hunter was "like a raw AJ Green." Every article about it also mentions that "others" not Cossell have made the Moss comparison. Oh yeah - his other favorite WR? Keenan Allen, the guy who went 76th overall and had by far the best season of any WR. I don't think there's anything remotely "intellectually bankrupt" about his approach, which is very methodical (and it seems weird to hear that phrase in a statement used in contrast to Kiper). But that also doesn't mean he doesn't make mistakes. His breakdowns are food for thought, because he watches a ton of NFL film. As for his credibility, he's been breaking down film for NFL films since 1984. I think it's fair he knows a little something, and if you've ever heard NFL people talk about him, you'd know that. I think FRG's right about a few things though. He has a few beliefs that may blind him to certain types players. He basically believes that over the long-term, you have to be able to produce in the pocket and so some of these recent college guys that are heavy on making plays with their feet and making things happen when things break down aren't going to be high on his list UNLESS they also show the traits in the pocket. He also has to see it on film. So for example, this nonsense about Luck and RGIII was more about the fact that he didn't see Luck have to make certain throws that he'd have to make in the NFL - not that he couldn't do it, only that there wasn't much evidence of it in the games he had watched. Here's the thing - you cherry-pick anybody's track record on this stuff and there are going to be hits and misses. This is after all, an NFL where:- There was a legitimate discussion about Leaf v. Manning- There was a legitimate discussion about Bledsoe v. Mirer. - Mirer went #2 overall and it was considered a smart pick.
Excellent post.
