New defensive line coach Joe Cullen met with the media on Wednesday at One Buccaneer Place and shared his thoughts on Tampa Bay's defensive line. Cullen like a lot of what he sees so far but is still in the early stages of player evaluation. https://www.pewterreport.com/index.php?option=com_k2&Itemid=20&view=item&layout=item&id=9613
Big talk about bowers... let's see if they actually try keeping him though.
"A small pocket of Bucs fans (and some radio hosts) have convinced themselves that former head coach Greg Schiano and defensive coordinator Bill Sheridan invented stunting by defensive linemen, but Cullen said the Bucs will at times use the dreaded “S” word as part of the package to get pressure on the quarterback."Lol ...veiled shot at Steve White there . I like it .
No not Steve White.
It's parrot hunting season already?
"A small pocket of Bucs fans (and some radio hosts) have convinced themselves that former head coach Greg Schiano and defensive coordinator Bill Sheridan invented stunting by defensive linemen, but Cullen said the Bucs will at times use the dreaded “S” word as part of the package to get pressure on the quarterback."Lol ...veiled shot at Steve White there . I like it .
Stunts can be a good thing when used appropriately. Of course lineman will tell a coach "just let me go after my guy"...it's bravado. Ego. Who wants a defensive lineman that says "yeah....lets trick these guys to get to the QB"? In reality, sometimes you have to stunt. Never bought into that being the reason we weren't getting sacks. Our D-Lineman, McCoy aside, just aren't that good. Could be a coaching thing. We'll soon find out.
"A small pocket of Bucs fans (and some radio hosts) have convinced themselves that former head coach Greg Schiano and defensive coordinator Bill Sheridan invented stunting by defensive linemen, but Cullen said the Bucs will at times use the dreaded “S” word as part of the package to get pressure on the quarterback."Lol ...veiled shot at Steve White there . I like it .
Stunts can be a good thing when used appropriately. Of course lineman will tell a coach "just let me go after my guy"...it's bravado. Ego. Who wants a defensive lineman that says "yeah....lets trick these guys to get to the QB"? In reality, sometimes you have to stunt. Never bought into that being the reason we weren't getting sacks. Our D-Lineman, McCoy aside, just aren't that good. Could be a coaching thing. We'll soon find out.
I agree Hayseed, in a perfect world you hope to not stunt, but as you mentioned McCoy was the only proven one to get pressure on the QB and I think the staff was scrambling to try and generate pressure. Every team stunts, but when it doesn't work and you get caught with your pants down so to say, it looks really bad. Gruden mentioned it on one Monday night game, I think Seahawks-Rams. that he loved the Seahawks use of stunts. Again, it seemed on numerous occasions that the Bucs were caught out of position on some stunts and allowed QBs to make big plays with their feet. But part of that was the outside guy not keeping contain. The Panthers home game was one. Sources told us McCoy went rogue to a degree and allowed Newton to escape for the run. Really in hindsight, the biggest mistake this staff made defensively in my opinion was being way too complex in the scheme. If everyone plays perfect it worked, but it didn't allow for many mistakes. Players want to play and not be overloaded with thinking and several told us that late in the season.
Mark, I'm of the belief that McCoy, Spence, Clayborn, Bowers and Gholston are all roster locks on the defensive line next year. It's kind of hard to tell when he says everyone did some good things. Thoughts?
Plus the previous staff was obsessed with long-developing stunts that took our best player out of the game for too long against quick-passing QBs
The Bucs staff seems to have been instructed to keep it positive about the roster. I appreciate reading what the staff has to say but I think we're getting a lot of fluff at this point.
TIMING of when a team does a stunt, as well as the coordination of the players involved in the movement, are crucial to it's success. Yes, outside contain was IMO the single biggest problem we had defensively all year. And not just with stunts either. In the good ol' days, our D was near impossible to get outside of; they contained to near perfection!!
Again, it seemed on numerous occasions that the Bucs were caught out of position on some stunts and allowed QBs to make big plays with their feet. But part of that was the outside guy not keeping contain. The Panthers home game was one. Sources told us McCoy went rogue to a degree and allowed Newton to escape for the run. Really in hindsight, the biggest mistake this staff made defensively in my opinion was being way too complex in the scheme. If everyone plays perfect it worked, but it didn't allow for many mistakes. Players want to play and not be overloaded with thinking and several told us that late in the season.
stuff like this should be written about more, even though im sure mccoy wouldnt want it published. maybe i missed when it was reported initially.even if mccoy was at fault, i still dont like the idea of my best DT looping around to keep contain of an athletic QB. hopefully that play is put far far down the list.
Again, it seemed on numerous occasions that the Bucs were caught out of position on some stunts and allowed QBs to make big plays with their feet. But part of that was the outside guy not keeping contain. The Panthers home game was one. Sources told us McCoy went rogue to a degree and allowed Newton to escape for the run. Really in hindsight, the biggest mistake this staff made defensively in my opinion was being way too complex in the scheme. If everyone plays perfect it worked, but it didn't allow for many mistakes. Players want to play and not be overloaded with thinking and several told us that late in the season.
stuff like this should be written about more, even though im sure mccoy wouldnt want it published. maybe i missed when it was reported initially.even if mccoy was at fault, i still dont like the idea of my best DT looping around to keep contain of an athletic QB. hopefully that play is put far far down the list.
All he has to do is not allow Newton the edge and force him to cut back inside where all the help is. McCoy is certainly athletic enough to do that.
Fluff article with a bunch of BS.Fans/White were complaining about the long developing stunts not the Tex stunts.
TIMING of when a team does a stunt, as well as the coordination of the players involved in the movement, are crucial to it's success. Yes, outside contain was IMO the single biggest problem we had defensively all year. And not just with stunts either. In the good ol' days, our D was near impossible to get outside of; they contained to near perfection!!
Well and this notion that stunts are the only way to outside contain is silly. You can do that with a normal rush.Here is the simple fact on our stunts:1. We ran them way too much. No kidding they didn't invent stunts but they are something you do from time to time to mix up and offense. They aren't a "base" defense element.2. We ran them typically to minimize our best player (GMC) and to free up a average player (AC).3. They didn't work. They managed to both neither keep contain nor get pressure on the passer. Sure, someone didn't run his assignment right that happens and guys won't be in the right gaps...it doesn't explain the long-term failure of the mechanism.4. We ran stuns that could NEVER work. Frankly the TEX stunts for example aren't odd and everyone runs them but the wild things where AC didn't cross with GMC on his side but crossed to the left of Spence was insane. You would need a guy of David's speed to run that sort of stunt to have any slim hope of it working -- maybe Revis'
