before the gutless wonder decided to go against the numbers and kick a FG
Thats "12th bravest NFL head coach" to you, Biggs.
According to Josh Q:
"Despite criticism lobbed his way for not going for it on fourth-and-3 in the Bucs’ Wild Card loss to the Commanders, Bowles has become a more aggressive coach on fourth downs. According to RBSDM.com, Bowles’ “Go rate” decision-making was 22nd in the NFL in 2022. This year he was 12th."
Or, Biggs I could have pointed out the IRONY of you chastising JC for this:
When you have to exaggerate every point you make, you probably aren't making good points
when in the same post you poortrayed your "numbers" (ESPN analytics) as truth, multiple times
decided to go against the numbers
Thats "ironical" because there was a time when "the numbers" were just "some dude's list" . . I think that was when they undercut your point :-)
Some dude's list
weird . .
Yeah obviously the fumble was the dagger.
anyone suggesting otherwise clearly has an agenda
its like arguing politics here
can’t the truth be: the Bucs offense carried them all year. They would not have made the playoffs without the offense improvement to being a top 5 powerhouse. It’s clear the defense was not a good unit this year, some of that due to scheme but a lot of it due to lack of talent, injuries, regression of key players. We all agree there given team needs most would have defense drafted in top three rounds. It’s also true that Todd Bowles is not a good head coach, top 20 at best. Hiring a defensive minded coach isn’t ideal in today’s NFL. He never should have been the coach but our hands were tied. It’s also true that the Bucs overachieved post Tom Brady expectations. We all want to keep Coen (well except JC for some reason) but just because a bad franchise like the panthers hired a 1 year OC, doesn’t mean others will follow suit. It’s also true that the defense played to their expectations in the playoffs and the offense did not with 2 key plays ending our season. So while the defense is ass and that’s on Todd and Licht, it was the offense that cost us the playoff game
It’s also true that the defense played to their expectations in the playoffs
This is the only thing in your post I have an issue with. The defense not being able to force a punt and giving up 35+ minutes of TOP because they couldn't force a punt wasn't my expectation. The total points scored was about up to expectation, but their inability to get the ball back to offense once or twice was a problem.
wasn't my expectation.
Maybe thats the problem?
You thought we would fare BETTER against Daniels than Cousins?
the WAS playoff game is almost a mirror image of the first Falcons game, right down to the OFFENSE choking away a late chance to win
The total points scored was about up to expectation, but their inability to get the ball back to offense once or twice was a problem.
Now that ^^^^ is totally fair because of course the defenses inability to stop is a major factor in the game. Its just not the ONLY factor.
As to EXPECTATIONS . . . all the loudest "Bowles is washed" voices here are also posting about offseason moves that are a complete overhaul of the defense (eg Fire says keep 5 guys, change all the rest) and when you look at the actual playoff game we are playing mostly with guys on defense (including an heroic performance by LVD) who probably dont start in the NFL next year
I get the Bowles angst, but man that shouldnt overrule what you can see of the players
Hiring a defensive minded coach isn’t ideal in today’s NFL.
you can see that even Arron Glenn is dealing with this belief
It will change in a few years
just like running is back in vogue now
As been pointed out the fumble has an impact on the outcome at that point of the game. Just like some other plays contributing in it's own way. They don't call it 60 mins for nothing. I think they blew this one to a slightly inferior team. They just made fewer mistakes as a team. I think an unpopular opinion of mine is refs contributed too sadly. I kinda blame first half woes on them. Team was to blame second half with some game costing mistakes we still should have won the game despite whatever I say about the first half.
I think an unpopular opinion of mine is refs contributed too sadly.
happily in the unpopular group with you
Yeah obviously the fumble was the dagger.
anyone suggesting otherwise clearly has an agenda
its like arguing politics here
can’t the truth be: the Bucs offense carried them all year. They would not have made the playoffs without the offense improvement to being a top 5 powerhouse. It’s clear the defense was not a good unit this year, some of that due to scheme but a lot of it due to lack of talent, injuries, regression of key players. We all agree there given team needs most would have defense drafted in top three rounds. It’s also true that Todd Bowles is not a good head coach, top 20 at best. Hiring a defensive minded coach isn’t ideal in today’s NFL. He never should have been the coach but our hands were tied. It’s also true that the Bucs overachieved post Tom Brady expectations. We all want to keep Coen (well except JC for some reason) but just because a bad franchise like the panthers hired a 1 year OC, doesn’t mean others will follow suit. It’s also true that the defense played to their expectations in the playoffs and the offense did not with 2 key plays ending our season. So while the defense is ass and that’s on Todd and Licht, it was the offense that cost us the playoff game
Bucs have a super bowl caliber offense. All the Bucs defense had to do was force at least 2 punts and the Bucs offense would have scored on at least 1 out of 2 possession.
Bucs defense also was poor with generating turnovers to hand the ball to the Super bowl caliber offense.
The NFL is a team game and the Bucs defense just needed to be NFL average and they failed to even be that.
Yeah obviously the fumble was the dagger.
anyone suggesting otherwise clearly has an agenda
its like arguing politics here
can’t the truth be: the Bucs offense carried them all year. They would not have made the playoffs without the offense improvement to being a top 5 powerhouse. It’s clear the defense was not a good unit this year, some of that due to scheme but a lot of it due to lack of talent, injuries, regression of key players. We all agree there given team needs most would have defense drafted in top three rounds. It’s also true that Todd Bowles is not a good head coach, top 20 at best. Hiring a defensive minded coach isn’t ideal in today’s NFL. He never should have been the coach but our hands were tied. It’s also true that the Bucs overachieved post Tom Brady expectations. We all want to keep Coen (well except JC for some reason) but just because a bad franchise like the panthers hired a 1 year OC, doesn’t mean others will follow suit. It’s also true that the defense played to their expectations in the playoffs and the offense did not with 2 key plays ending our season. So while the defense is ass and that’s on Todd and Licht, it was the offense that cost us the playoff game
Bucs have a super bowl caliber offense. All the Bucs defense had to do was force at least 2 punts and the Bucs offense would have scored on at least 1 out of 2 possession.
Bucs defense also was poor with generating turnovers to hand the ball to the Super bowl caliber offense.
The NFL is a team game and the Bucs defense just needed to be NFL average and they failed to even be that.
but here is where i am getting tripped up. Bucs offense had 7 drives and put up 20 points. They had 8 drives in our first meeting with Washington and put up 37.
They only had 8 drives against Saints and beat them as well -27 points.
While the popular comment, "didn't force a punt" is sexy to say, they did force 2 turnover on downs because Washington coach went for it on 4th. Do they count as positives or no?
Let's review:
the first time they turned over Washington downs, this was the very first drive, the Bucs offense ensured with a punt
3 plays in a row - Bucky left guard for no gain, Buck up the middle for 2 yards. So we got nothing on first down, let's run on second down? Gave me images of Byron Leftwich there. it's now 3 and 8, baker cant find anyone open and he scrambles for 1 yard and we punt. Offense did shit there. 3-0 Bucs.
Defense then performs like shit giving up 9 minute TD Drive. Wow. They could sure use a rest. alright let's go offense! A baker run for 1 yard, a chop block penalty, a Bucky run for 2 yards on 2nd and 24, and ultimately another punt within just 2 minutes of game time. Atrocious.
Then defense gives up another 37 yard drive and 3 points and offense does a hurry up and we are sitting at 10-10 at half time
So defense gives up a field goal drive to start the third, we then have a nice impressive TD drive and it's 17-13. Defense cant get off the field but stops the Washington offense at the goalline. We are in the 4th quarter up 17-13
Mike Evans just makes a big play! Wow. how did he convert that 3rd down?
Then we run some retarded play backed up in our own territory instead of a HB dive, and Baker fumbles. The game ended there.
Washington then travels down the field for 13 fucking yards and takes the lead 20-17. We answer with the field goal, fuck off Barton, and then the game is over, we never get the ball back
so yeah, defense could have made one more stop...but this game was botched by the offense.
Bucs offense averaged 29 points a game on offense and 23 points a game on defense
they gave up 23 points on defense and scored a poultry 20 points.
Numbers dont lie, emotions do!
Bucs defense also was poor with generating turnovers to hand the ball to the Super bowl caliber offense.
That is probably the best proof of how poor the defense was for Bowles because his approach is supposed to be turnovers through pressure
Then we run some retarded play backed up in our own territory instead of a HB dive, and Baker fumbles. The game ended there.
The same HB dive you were just bitching about on 2nd and long?
Just checking
Then we run some retarded play backed up in our own territory
if they dont fumble the exchange its maybe a 20 yard gain and Coen is LAUDED as a "genius" calling that kind of play deep in his own end. Hes probably POSITIVELY compared to "gutless" Bowles
thats football . .. lots to second guess all the time
and lots to IGNORE when cuts against the narrative
Then we run some retarded play backed up in our own territory instead of a HB dive, and Baker fumbles. The game ended there.
The same HB dive you were just bitching about on 2nd and long?
Just checking
2nd and 24 versus 1st and 10. See if you can spot the difference FireBestGM
