The only difference between our game vs WAS and the KC game is an offensive fumble deep in own territory. Brutal blow for those complaining about the D all week
The difference is KC’s defense won the game.
KC Defense: 8 sacks, 9 TFL, 2 punts forced, and 14 points allowed
TB Defense: 1 sack, 4 TFL, 0 punts forced, and 23 points allowed
Detroit defense doing less with less. Too bad for the Lions. It does make the Bucs defense look a bit better in comparison does it not?
yeah obviously. I feel a tad better about the loss now. I’m sure some debatable dans would suggest otherwise
Yeah I'm sure 5 turnovers had nothing to do with it.
or the Commanders . . .
The only difference between our game vs WAS and the KC game is an offensive fumble deep in own territory. Brutal blow for those complaining about the D all week
thats not the only difference but in each game you can multiple straight comparisons, but if you look at the Chiefs game
The Texans defense is really built around Will Anderson, a totally dominant edge rusher from Alabama taken THIRD OVERALL
and their offense by a QB taken SECOND OVERALL in the same draft.
We won a Super bowl and have a run of Div Champs, so we haven't been anywhere near those kind of picks for years
so our edge rush is a THIRD ROUNDER and a FOURTH ROUNDER and our QB a reclamation projects (that is working out great) and to drawthe comaprion closer we used a SECOND ROUND pick this year on a guy who was one the bench behind Will Anderson
That is the NFL
We almost beat the Chiefs and the Commanders
I don't think the injured Lions and the Rams defense are any more talented than ours and YET their respective coaches are finding ways to keep offenses on their heels - guessing.
What do you think about last night?
maybe WAS is pretty good?
if so we head them to less points all game then the Lions defense in a quarter, right?
@debucsown - Canales was better than leftwich but wasn’t Coen. Coen’s run scheme and taking advantage of numbers with his motions made this talented offense a top 5 offense. Coaching makes such a huge difference in the NFL. Our oline is top 5 now, but before Coen we couldn’t get into the top 25 running offenses. He took advantage of Godwins strengths and before he got hurt, Godwin was leading in almost every receiver category. If Coen goes and we have to replace him… we will take a step back on offense. And they led this team to success.
@debucsown - Canales was better than leftwich but wasn’t Coen. Coen’s run scheme and taking advantage of numbers with his motions made this talented offense a top 5 offense. Coaching makes such a huge difference in the NFL. Our oline is top 5 now, but before Coen we couldn’t get into the top 25 running offenses. He took advantage of Godwins strengths and before he got hurt, Godwin was leading in almost every receiver category. If Coen goes and we have to replace him… we will take a step back on offense. And they led this team to success.
we may take a small step down even with Coen unless he can further adapt (Godwins return could help) but he is great and a huge part of success and yes much better OC than CanaleD
between Coen and Canales Canales may be the better HC. Maybe we will get to find out!
The told you so responses after watching the lions defense who were decimated by injuries and dealt with 5 turnovers, is giving me such a big eye roll I have a migraine now.
Bowles chose to play soft coverage and slow bleed.
Detroit chose to play aggressive because they were playing from behind.
Two completely different game scripts but sure let's keep Bowles and Detroit should fire Campbell.
Good stuff
Bowles chose to play soft coverage
Honestly, I think theres no way you can watch the 2024 Bucs play and come to that conclusion? They ddint even play soft coverage against WAS but the defensive play calling is driven by the available talent, right??
JOSH Q even says as much but just lo at the WAS game. The Bucs lose to WAS while playing WAS's best weapon (McLarin) M2M.
In fact, AFTER GETTING beaten in his first challenge against McLaurin, Dean makes a big stop M2M against McLaurin in the EZ. Then -- because he's Dean and because the Bucs have ZERO depth - Dean goes down, HAYES COMES IN and they still go man to man . . . immediate TD
They even broke from a Bowles defense NORM and had the CBs switch sides late to try to hide Hayes
Hayes . . . a 6th round special teamer
And Fire didnt you say, in essence, that proof "Bowles was bad" could be found in the Lion's defense because it was is also injured AND BETTER?
Dont you agree now - after watching the Lions and Bucs play the same opponent - that is not actually the case??
As much as it might pain some of you guys to acknowledge this, BASED ON THE SCORING it is actually Bowles who did more with LESS, right?
Here's why I make the point above, change for the sake of change is NEVER a good thing, but especially in the NFL. You may hate the stule of Bowles defense BUT its CLEALT in need of an infusion of talent AND its only 3 ppg worse that the SB defense.
If the goal is to get this team to the SB, you kepep Coen as the highest priority BUT you also keep Bowles and give him some talent. Something that any poster previously named "FireLicht" should know because it comes right from Licht's mouth:
"It's just kind of the cycle that we're in with this team," general manager Jason Licht said, per John Romano of the Tampa Bay Times. " Two years ago when we had the — I don't want to say rebuild — but we knew it was going to take some time to fill every spot on the defense. Is there some spots that we could add to? Of course. But it takes time. And what he [Todd Bowles] has done with what we have, I think, has been remarkable."
Full disclosure -- I also thought it was the WRONG move to fire Dungy and that worked out really well for the Bucs, so I can conceded that I might be wrong again here.
But one difference is I dont really care about the style of defense as much as I would care about getting to the SB and probability-wise its got to be better odds to give Bowles talent (as long as Coen stays) then to start over. Again, mindful that Gruden did it (although he was NOT even their first choice)
Honestly if it's a culture thing like lvd has kinda mentioned then it makes sense that they would keep him. I just think he has a lot to learn from this year and I can see the team giving him another opportunity with them winning the division and the team looking like contenders at times. I just feel like if they did make a move it would have to be one that really motivates the team. Like gruden and Brady did. I don't really know of anyone out there like that available.
And Fire didnt you say, in essence, that proof "Bowles was bad" could be found in the Lion's defense because it was is also injured AND BETTER?
Because it's one game vs a full body of work for a season. I don't see how this is that complicated.
There's having a bad (or good) game and there's having a bad season.
Lions division vs Bucs division... It's literally the best vs the worst.
And yes Bowles played soft and didn't give anything up over the top which is why they sustained long drives and kept our offense off the field.
It's Bowles MO. Soft coverage or all out blitzes that don't work.
And Fire didnt you say, in essence, that proof "Bowles was bad" could be found in the Lion's defense because it was is also injured AND BETTER?
Because it's one game vs a full body of work for a season. I don't see how this is that complicated.
There's having a bad (or good) game and there's having a bad season.
Well, correct me if I am wrong but the comment and thread I quoted is POST-SEASON after the PLAYOFF loss to the Commanders and it is about PLAYOFF defenses
Looking at some of these playoff teams and their defenses... This is why I'm done with Bowles.
I just watched b2b weeks with 2 defenses that aren't very talent and/or hurt totally shut down the Vikings
Thats why I focused on the PLAYOFF DEFENSES
But, even if you go to whole season . . the season BEGINS with the Bucs as a REBUILDING team OBVIOUSLY - we even traded to the Lions a SB corner and used the pick we got to draft a WR -- and the Lions as a free agent active TRUE SUPER BOWL CONTENDER. In fact, when the in-season injury bug hits the Lions on defense they even bring in their primary EDGE RUSHER after the by trading away picks, right?
We dont do anything like that
Even with all of that we BEAT the Lions during the season and we beat the Commanders during the season. We definitely have the lesser record though. I get that
Looking at some of these playoff teams and their defenses... This is why I'm done with Bowles.
I just watched b2b weeks with 2 defenses that aren't very talent and/or hurt totally shut down the Vikings
One review of the game and why the defensive comparison matters:
"Despite being favored by more than a touchdown at some sportsbooks, the Lions lost 45-31 at home to Jayden Daniels and Washington.
The Lions didn't just lose. Their defense got gutted multiple times. It was a horror show."
My point was that there is this fan thing that makes MOST posters turn on the team as failing without much acknowledgement of the opponent. And that makes sense in our game against the Commanders because we could've won it with just a slightly better OFFENSIVE performance at the end.
But, as it turns out the COMMANDERS are a damn good team
"“They earned that win and we didn’t,” Campbell said."
For the record, I was concerned about our ability to beat WAS because of our defense
we are a better team than Washington despite the record.
Certainly hope you are right but to me they stand out as sort of a problem team for the Bucs, unless our offense takes over.
our defense will face a running QB who throws to a top TE and a shifty WR, all things we struggle with.
every team is good though so bring on the comms!
