Anyone still wanna say Logan Hall was the better pick.
Said it then and I'll continue to say it..such an obvious easy pick. Fuck
"Tom Brady announced he is returning to the Bucs. Here’s his announcement made on social media: “These past two months I’ve realized my place is still on the field and not in the stands. That time will come. But it’s not now. I love my teammates, and I love my supportive family. They make it all possible. I’m coming back for my 23rd season in Tampa. Unfinished business LFG.”
We traded back to take a rotational edge/DT hybrid for Brady?
Lloyd is good. George Karlaftis is better.
I'd go Karlaftis>Lloyd>Hall
We traded back to take a rotational edge/DT hybrid for Brady?
No, lol, but everything with the 2022 season was a cluster-f in part because of Brady's late return.
Your question was
Anyone still wanna say Logan Hall was the better pick.
I didnt know anyone said that BUT the choice was not Lloyd or Hall, it was pick someone or trade back. And IIRC the trade back part was to get less expensive drafted players. Recall that the Bucs in 2021 already did something unusual to "run it back" and that was resign all their FAs, so 2022 is the year to start paying the bill . . but then it was not . .because it became "run it back II."
Anyway, I doubt with Brady's return and LVD and Devin White already on the team that they would've taken Lloyd even if they did not trade back because the offseason was . .. "ok rebuild . . .err . . . wait a minute . . . win it all!" and so that leads to thing like drafting Hall because he is "versatile" and can "fill the gap left by Suh leaving". and still "develop."
Half of two different plans, not one plan
I do think the “why’s” of how we ended up making weird picks like Hall over Karloftis - became a bit more complicated by leaving out the context of what was going on with the GOAT…and that Bowles tried to get some mileage out of rehabilitating Devin White, one too many times.
Logan Hall made us the play of the game on Sunday. What a deflection!
but nah all kidding aside, he's likely off the team in 2026 unless he signs for cheap deal
Anyone still wanna say Logan Hall was the better pick.
Said it then and I'll continue to say it..such an obvious easy pick. Fuck
He hasn't been good in his first 3 years and Jags declined his 5th year option. In a contract year he is playing great though.
leaving out the context
Yes and that is what I was trying to provide
In a vacuum, I think most would probably say Lloyd over Hall, but a teams draft choice's are almost never that binary. Teams rarely draft 100% BPA, they are balancing BPA against their need. Egbuka is clearly awesome (a BPA candidate for sure), but most outside the Bucs also under appreciated the NEED so he became a NO BRAINER pick becayse he was the BPA in an area of need.
Incidentally, the Egbuka pick upset some of the most ardent BPA! posters lol. But, the point is that bad high value picks like (eg Devin White) are really destructive because not only does the player not deliver the anticipated vale but he also keeps the team from taking other good talent that they might take IF they had not already invested heavily in the position (ie if they had the need).
Further a "win now" team strapped by present and future cap and now faced with the return of the GOAT is not drafting with the same long term mindset as a team trying to rebuild. The 2002 draft is sort of a cross between those two things and that is definitely a recipe for disaster.
Anyone still wanna say Logan Hall was the better pick.
Said it then and I'll continue to say it..such an obvious easy pick. Fuck
He hasn't been good in his first 3 years and Jags declined his 5th year option. In a contract year he is playing great though.
His first 3 years have been far better than Hall. This year he's playing elite and yes it's a contract year but it's also a new regime.
Jags declining his option is weird but it's also the Jags.
Bet they regret it now... Because otherwise it wouldn't be a contact year... But maybe that was the point? Inspire him and pay more if you have to?
Lloyd is good. George Karlaftis is better.
I'd go Karlaftis>Lloyd>Hall
Yes agreed and super frustrating
We traded back to take a rotational edge/DT hybrid for Brady?
No, lol, but everything with the 2022 season was a cluster-f in part because of Brady's late return.
Your question was
Anyone still wanna say Logan Hall was the better pick.
I didnt know anyone said that BUT the choice was not Lloyd or Hall, it was pick someone or trade back. And IIRC the trade back part was to get less expensive drafted players. Recall that the Bucs in 2021 already did something unusual to "run it back" and that was resign all their FAs, so 2022 is the year to start paying the bill . . but then it was not . .because it became "run it back II."
Anyway, I doubt with Brady's return and LVD and Devin White already on the team that they would've taken Lloyd even if they did not trade back because the offseason was . .. "ok rebuild . . .err . . . wait a minute . . . win it all!" and so that leads to thing like drafting Hall because he is "versatile" and can "fill the gap left by Suh leaving". and still "develop."
Half of two different plans, not one plan
Trading back then reaching on a player at a position you struggle to evaluate? Licht fucked this up along with drafted Trask.
He had some good players fall into his lap AT POSITIONS OF NEED and he takes an underwhelming hybrid line player?
He's basically Gholston but not as good
Trading back then reaching on a player at a position you struggle to evaluate?
I dont know that Licht struggles to evaluate edge rushers? Maybe, but he found Barrett before he was really Barrett and gobbled up JPP when some would have said he was washed.
If anything I would blame recent shortcoming on Bowles and, as I mentioned before the circumstances of the Brady era.
I mean, an early first rounder is NOT the only way to do it but the Licht Bucs have never used a premium pick on a DE, at least that I can recall.
Trey Hendrickson was the sack king last season, He's probable the 10th DE taken and does nothing really for a few years. Not easy
I dont know that Licht struggles to evaluate edge rushers?
Yeah, that's a solid question. It's still up in the air with all of the quality edge rushers that Licht has drafted in 12 years.
