I just disagree with SR and some posters who question White's character. This is the business side of sports. White has to take care of business and sometimes it gets ugly when it's done in public. It's certainly fair game to question what he does on the field and what moves he makes in regards to renegotiating a new contract, but to question his character is totally out of line. White has been inconsistent on the field and isn't Ronde Barber or Derrick Brooks character-wise, but to question his character because he's getting frustrated about his contract situation is totally out of line.
White has a contract and he has to live up to that, but I don't fault him at all for trying to get the most he can for his services before he gets tossed aside like most every player will. 99.9% of the players don't get to leave on their own terms like Brady or Gronk. It's a business. Teams will only keep him around for as long as they need him and then he's out the door. So it's a certainly a double standard.
White is listening to his agent tell him how much he should get and what he should do. I'm sure it can frustrating. It will be frustrating to fans who want to focus on football, but you go ahead and try to negotiate for tens of millions of dollars and see how you handle it. It's totally out of line to start questioning White's character because of his contract negotiations.
Everyone talking about trading him:
“The third overall pick in the 2020 NFL draft is getting a fresh start.
The Lions have traded cornerback Jeff Okudah to the Falcons for a fifth-round draft pick, according to multiple reports.
That’s not much of a return for a player drafted as highly as Okudah was, but it was clear that the Lions wanted to move on after they bolstered their secondary in free agency.
Okudah is heading into the fourth season on his rookie contract and will make $5.1 million this season, a cap hit the Falcons now inherit. The Falcons will have to decide on picking up his fifth-year option by May 1. Given how much Okudah has struggled to stay healthy, it seems unlikely that they would pick up his option.“
Also remember what the Bears got for Raquan Smith?
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The Bears made their second significant trade in less than a week Tuesday, dealing linebacker Roquan Smith to the Ravens in exchange for 2023 second- and fifth-round picks as well as veteran linebacker A.J. Klein.
Smith is in the fifth and final year of the contract he signed after being selected by the Bears with the eighth overall choice in the first round of the 2018 draft out of Georgia.”
@catherder isn’t this whole situation connected to his character?
I like to look at it simply. He can tell his agent he wants to play for the Bucs and to get him a fair deal. Or he can tell his agent he wants to be the highest paid linebacker (or 100 mil/whatever) and he doesn’t care who pays him.
I just disagree with SR and some posters who question White's character. This is the business side of sports. White has to take care of business and sometimes it gets ugly when it's done in public. It's certainly fair game to question what he does on the field and what moves he makes in regards to renegotiating a new contract, but to question his character is totally out of line. White has been inconsistent on the field and isn't Ronde Barber or Derrick Brooks character-wise, but to question his character because he's getting frustrated about his contract situation is totally out of line.
White has a contract and he has to live up to that, but I don't fault him at all for trying to get the most he can for his services before he gets tossed aside like most every player will. 99.9% of the players don't get to leave on their own terms like Brady or Gronk. It's a business. Teams will only keep him around for as long as they need him and then he's out the door. So it's a certainly a double standard.
White is listening to his agent tell him how much he should get and what he should do. I'm sure it can frustrating. It will be frustrating to fans who want to focus on football, but you go ahead and try to negotiate for tens of millions of dollars and see how you handle it. It's totally out of line to start questioning White's character because of his contract negotiations.
And the loafing?
Like I said it's fair game to criticize his play on the field and what he's worth, and if there are character issues relating to his play or in the locker room that's fair game as well. I just don't think it's fair to put the contract negotiations in the character category. You can say he's not being smart. You can say he's not worth the money he thinks he'll get. But negotiating contracts is part of the business of football, even if your contract isn't up yet. The teams don't get criticized for their character when they cut players loose in the middle of their contracts, and that's why they push for guaranteed money. SR in his article stated that the contract negotiations goes to his character and that's what was over the line IMO.I just disagree with SR and some posters who question White's character. This is the business side of sports. White has to take care of business and sometimes it gets ugly when it's done in public. It's certainly fair game to question what he does on the field and what moves he makes in regards to renegotiating a new contract, but to question his character is totally out of line. White has been inconsistent on the field and isn't Ronde Barber or Derrick Brooks character-wise, but to question his character because he's getting frustrated about his contract situation is totally out of line.
White has a contract and he has to live up to that, but I don't fault him at all for trying to get the most he can for his services before he gets tossed aside like most every player will. 99.9% of the players don't get to leave on their own terms like Brady or Gronk. It's a business. Teams will only keep him around for as long as they need him and then he's out the door. So it's a certainly a double standard.
White is listening to his agent tell him how much he should get and what he should do. I'm sure it can frustrating. It will be frustrating to fans who want to focus on football, but you go ahead and try to negotiate for tens of millions of dollars and see how you handle it. It's totally out of line to start questioning White's character because of his contract negotiations.
And the loafing?
That goes to judgement, not character. Character is about what kind of quality of human being you are. Judgment is your decision-making abilities. I don't think White should be airing his grievances to the public, but on the other hand he's frustrated and it's hard to stay quiet and not tell someone when you are frustrated. I agree with SR that he's not worth what he is rumored to be asking for. But for the agent it's part of the process. You ask for amount X they offer Y and you get Z. It's all part of the game. But for a young guy in his 20's it's not a game. It's his life.@catherder isn’t this whole situation connected to his character?
I like to look at it simply. He can tell his agent he wants to play for the Bucs and to get him a fair deal. Or he can tell his agent he wants to be the highest paid linebacker (or 100 mil/whatever) and he doesn’t care who pays him.
That goes to judgement, not character. Character is about what kind of quality of human being you are. Judgment is your decision-making abilities. I don't think White should be airing his grievances to the public, but on the other hand he's frustrated and it's hard to stay quiet and not tell someone when you are frustrated. I agree with SR that he's not worth what he is rumored to be asking for. But for the agent it's part of the process. You ask for amount X they offer Y and you get Z. It's all part of the game. But for a young guy in his 20's it's not a game. It's his life.@catherder isn’t this whole situation connected to his character?
I like to look at it simply. He can tell his agent he wants to play for the Bucs and to get him a fair deal. Or he can tell his agent he wants to be the highest paid linebacker (or 100 mil/whatever) and he doesn’t care who pays him.
Disagree with you. This goes to character. Airing grievances like a petulant self-entitled child is purely 100% character. Lots of players every year do not get they believe they are worth. None of those players post on social media that they want to "make it happen" and play on the Eagles. That is not the business judgment side of things. That is shitty thing to do to your entire team. It is a childish rant. Holding your breath when you do not get your way is poor character, not judgment. If it was judgment a lot of players would be doing it. White is immature and self-entitled. Neither of those two things fall under judgment.
Judgement, choices, decisions, actions are all related. The rest is all nitpicking semantics.
the negotiations part is funny to me. It is a game. Even you said he’s not worth his rumored asking price. But he and his agent are gonna try to screw the Bucs for his own personal gain? Sounds like a character flaw to me.
if we can get a second, or a third make the trade. If not wait for the comp pick. He doesn’t want to be part of a team. He wants the title of highest paid
Like I said it's fair game to criticize his play on the field and what he's worth, and if there are character issues relating to his play or in the locker room that's fair game as well. I just don't think it's fair to put the contract negotiations in the character category. You can say he's not being smart. You can say he's not worth the money he thinks he'll get. But negotiating contracts is part of the business of football, even if your contract isn't up yet. The teams don't get criticized for their character when they cut players loose in the middle of their contracts, and that's why they push for guaranteed money. SR in his article stated that the contract negotiations goes to his character and that's what was over the line IMO.I just disagree with SR and some posters who question White's character. This is the business side of sports. White has to take care of business and sometimes it gets ugly when it's done in public. It's certainly fair game to question what he does on the field and what moves he makes in regards to renegotiating a new contract, but to question his character is totally out of line. White has been inconsistent on the field and isn't Ronde Barber or Derrick Brooks character-wise, but to question his character because he's getting frustrated about his contract situation is totally out of line.
White has a contract and he has to live up to that, but I don't fault him at all for trying to get the most he can for his services before he gets tossed aside like most every player will. 99.9% of the players don't get to leave on their own terms like Brady or Gronk. It's a business. Teams will only keep him around for as long as they need him and then he's out the door. So it's a certainly a double standard.
White is listening to his agent tell him how much he should get and what he should do. I'm sure it can frustrating. It will be frustrating to fans who want to focus on football, but you go ahead and try to negotiate for tens of millions of dollars and see how you handle it. It's totally out of line to start questioning White's character because of his contract negotiations.
And the loafing?
So I re-read the article. I don't agree with his take but SR isn't out of bounds. He's just incorrectly trying to mesh the business side of football with the actual football. I don't think he's trying to be malicious. He just doesn't know any better. I'm all for a player trying to get paid (as long it isn't at the stupidity of the Bucs) and White's time is now. This is, exactly like the Lamar Jackson situation, the fault of the NFLPA for negotiating 5th year options and the Franchise Tag into the CBA. White is boxed in here. If he balls out the Bucs will just stick the franchise tag on him. If he puts up bad film then he doesn't get paid in free agency. So he and his agent are acting now. It's actually the right play.
But I agree with your premise. SR is wrong implying White should be loyal. NFL teams aren't loyal, players shouldn't be either.
@jc5100 How’s it the right play? Does he have a team that is willing to pay him
It's the right play because he's boxed in the next 2 years. Under the current situation the max he can make is 2 years, $32-35M (depending how much franchise tag is worth). He is seeing his peers sign $100M, $90M contracts. Whether he's as good as them is for the market to decide.
Just because he has a goal to be the highest paid LB doesn't mean it'll happen. It's pretty clear he hasn't earned it yet. And I agree with many posters here that he's going about it the wrong way. If the Bucs keep him here on his 5th year deal, he should be stripped of his captaincy. He's now proven he's not a leader and doesn't deserve the honor. How can he lead his Bucs teammates when he's demanded to be traded and leave them behind?
Judgement, choices, decisions, actions are all related. The rest is all nitpicking semantics.
Yeah, it's unprofessional at best.
It's the right play because he's boxed in the next 2 years. Under the current situation the max he can make is 2 years, $32-35M (depending how much franchise tag is worth). He is seeing his peers sign $100M, $90M contracts. Whether he's as good as them is for the market to decide.but now the market has to give up compensation, in addition to a huge ask. He’s “boxed” in to the agreement his PA agreed to, only making 12 mil this year and probably 20 mil next year. I can’t feel sorry for his selfishness. His right to handle it this way, sure. But no way to tell if it’s the right move until it plays out. Either way i don’t see it working out well if a team gives him his ask.
This isn't complicated.
If we keep him this year then let him walk next year (or franchise and trade) we are getting a 3rd.
Smith got a 2nd and 5th but he is a better LB.
White should be able to get a 3rd round pick because that's what we would get either way.
So shop him for a 2nd or 3rd, and if nobody bites then tell him to play or sit... no skin off my nuts.
But if we break and pay him (which we seemingly cannot) then Licht is officially back in the trash bin for GMs.
