I doubt it happens but Houston has a new coach that runs a 34, plenty of cap space, a need at ILB, a bunch of picks, and a recent trade history with us.The Bucs FO may be saying in public they do not want to trade White, but if someone offers a good deal they might consider it.
White is an ILB in a 34 scheme it is not like we are talking about a QB, CB or pass rusher.
I mean we hate on White but the guy was a legit playmaker who made plays and closed on the sideline in the run game, and was a very good blitzer, just bad in coverage which got better this year, still not worth 20m, Id be ok with 10m a year contract, but trading him gives us the possibility of upgrading the postion which I see as a huge plus. We need to look for instinctive fast linebackers that can diagnose plays,
+1000000
I doubt it happens but Houston has a new coach that runs a 34, plenty of cap space, a need at ILB, a bunch of picks, and a recent trade history with us.
Man, it’d be nice, wouldn’t it?
I doubt it happens but Houston has a new coach that runs a 34, plenty of cap space, a need at ILB, a bunch of picks, and a recent trade history with us.The Bucs FO may be saying in public they do not want to trade White, but if someone offers a good deal they might consider it.
White is an ILB in a 34 scheme it is not like we are talking about a QB, CB or pass rusher.
You aren't wrong, but I think the problem may be DeMeco Ryans is a former ILB himself. I don't know what his analysis and scouting skills are, but he may watch White's tape and laugh at the notion of trading anything substantial and paying him a big-money contract.
This whole thing just makes you appreciate LVD that much more.
Dude is in the twilight of his career and is still twice the LB that White is.
Lol @ the poster in this thread suggesting Devin was worth multiple 1st rounders.
Obviously White is not overrated on the Red Board. Everybody seems pretty convinced he's worthless. But what none of you are considering is what is the alternative? If you trade White for a draft pick and get in one of the thin crop of LBs say in the 2nd or 3rd round, what production are you going to get out of that player?
Who's more desirable - an inconsistent player who has the physical abilities or a consistent player who is too slow 100% of the time? That's a good way for the defense to get torched if the quarterback knows he can pick on a certain player. If I'm a quarterback, I'd prefer to pick on the too slow player over the inconsistent player.
The White bashing fest is in full swing, but the fact is he's the best we've got or are going to have in 2023 after the draft and scraping the barrel for free agents. Bash away, but our best hope is to hope White steps up his game in 2023.
Who's more desirable - an inconsistent player who has the physical abilities or a consistent player who is too slow 100% of the time?
Define too slow. The best all-around ILB in the game ran a 4.64 40, compared to White's 4.42 40. Speed doesn't mean squat if the player doesn't know the right place to be.
That's a good way for the defense to get torched if the quarterback knows he can pick on a certain player
Agreed, and we've seen it over the last few years with opposing offenses attacking the MLB with regularity.
The White bashing fest is in full swing, but the fact is he's the best we've got or are going to have in 2023 after the draft and scraping the barrel for free agents. Bash away, but our best hope is to hope White steps up his game in 2023.
Like most of your analysis, this simply isn't true.
Well don't keep me in suspense. Who can we get whose better?Who's more desirable - an inconsistent player who has the physical abilities or a consistent player who is too slow 100% of the time?
Define too slow. The best all-around ILB in the game ran a 4.64 40, compared to White's 4.42 40. Speed doesn't mean squat if the player doesn't know the right place to be.
That's a good way for the defense to get torched if the quarterback knows he can pick on a certain player
Agreed, and we've seen it over the last few years with opposing offenses attacking the MLB with regularity.
The White bashing fest is in full swing, but the fact is he's the best we've got or are going to have in 2023 after the draft and scraping the barrel for free agents. Bash away, but our best hope is to hope White steps up his game in 2023.
Like most of your analysis, this simply isn't true.
don't understand people who think we'll receive a 3rd rd (CP) pick for White in 2025, after saying he isn't worth his asking price! (still waiting Glennon's CP!)
you'll need a desperate GM... see the Bears overpaying for Edmunds.
a flashy but inconsistent LB isn't even worth the $11.7M of his 5th-year option!
takes the pick now if there is a good offer (3rd? 4th round?), we're in a year of transition anyway and his ego will never accept a low deal in Tampa after running his mouth since 4 years on the next big contract. (+ you'll have to pay Wirfs and Winfield next year... maybe Evans too!)
sign a stop gap for vet minimum and add a rookie on Day 2 or 3 of the draft to upgrade the depth... then fix the problem next offseason!
LB/S are the RB/TE of the defense... unless it's a generational talent, you shouldn't spend big money or 1st round pick on the position!
Well don't keep me in suspense. Who can we get whose better?
You are aware the NFL draft is next week, yes?
White has regularly graded out among the worst at his position is damn-near everything except blitzing. He's a very good blitzer. The other 90+% of snaps aren't going to be very difficult to replace.
They would apparently receive a 3rd round compensatory pick if White walks as a free agent. Maybe that's what you are talking about, because if he walks next offseason the comp pick wouldn't come until the following draft- 2025. So as a result it doesn't make any sense to trade White for anything less than a 2nd rounder. If you trade him for a 3rd rounder in this draft, sure it's two years sooner but then you don't get his services for this year and you have to spend a draft pick on a linebacker this year. So I've said either pay him or trade him this year rather than let him walk for nothing, but it only makes sense if you can get at least a 2nd round pick or better because they will get the comp pick.
Sure, and they have a lot of needs. Any draft pick spent on a linebacker doesn't go towards the other needs. You may not be underrating White, but you are overrating the other alternatives IMO. I'm OK with using a Day 2 pick on a LB because we'll need one for 2024, but a Day 2 rookie is not going to be ready to start in 2023 and a barrel scraper FA is going to do nothing but make everybody regret that we didn't keep White around for another year. Maybe we can bring back Barrett Ruud?Well don't keep me in suspense. Who can we get whose better?
You are aware the NFL draft is next week, yes?
White has regularly graded out among the worst at his position is damn-near everything except blitzing. He's a very good blitzer. The other 90+% of snaps aren't going to be very difficult to replace.
Any draft pick spent on a linebacker doesn't go towards the other needs.
If they trade him, they will have more draft picks at their disposal to replace him.
a Day 2 rookie is not going to be ready to start in 2023
Again, this simply isn't true. Second/Third round LB'ers come in and play right away regularly.
I don't see what the end game here is. 4 years of film prove that he's not a good player despite elite traits. Now he's being malcontent. If he has a great year to get the $100M contract it's fool's gold. GM's get into bad contract because they evaluate players just on contract years and it's a false reading. The only thing White provides at this point is whatever draft capital he can yield back. But Licht has his head so far up his ass he's not going to be proactive here.
I don't see what the end game here is.
get one more year from White, a contract year?
