I hate to pile on but this was a bad thread.
It was a bad 5 years.
It's easy to be arm chair GM after the fact.
But dom ain't no fan. He was gm man. That means getting the picks and players right before any of us know 4 shore.
Our dline could easily be thisCam Jordan, McCoy, Sheldon Richardson, Michael Bennett/John Abraham Instead we have an atrocious dline that McCoy has to share the LOS withInstead of Revis we could have signed Grimes, and traded for Sean Smith while saving $$ Our cb's are all below average other than 1 guy (revis)Instead of Carl Nicks could have easily gotten Ben Grubbbs for way lessWe'd have more cap space to sign center Alex Mack.Whats really depressing is the kind of dline we could already have instead of trying to patch it with guys like Allen who will not be cheap and has a short shelf life.
I agree Dom was a horrible GM. But some of your criticism is a bit much. While I agree the Revis trade was a HUGE mistake, I think that had more to do with Schiano -- pouring all those resources into a single CB is Stone Age football thinking and that fits Schiano more than Dom. In hindsight Nicks was a mistake, but it's hard to throw too much blame around, he was considered the best guard in the league and the concept we had and were working with was build in the trenches. So Nicks was less of the problem than Doms ineptness building the line prior -- he was pulled in to cover the fact Dom screwed up before. Reworking his contract after the injury though I think added to his cap hit so that might have been a mistake (I forget the details there). I don't like to play the "we should have drafted specific player in x round" game though. I will say he sucked overall at drafting though, that was clear. The biggest myth with his is that he was some kind of master capologist though. He inherited a great cap situation and then didn't spend a lot of money, and what he did spend was wasted by overpaying poor talent. He didn't have a lot of guys coming into that second contract either because we had drafted poorly before that.
Yo, we be needing threads like this to make up for the lack of criticism dished out for dom by the media and the marky mark report. Shoot, dom was so bad the bucs should announce tomorrow that they have fired him again..
I hate to pile on but this was a bad thread.
Yo mark man. I like you dawg, but your comment just supports all some of us be saying about pr man. You guys are completely prejudiced in favor of marky mark Dominick. You be losing credibility on this topic man, especially by not only not making more of doms failures, but going as far as to make excuses for the man after he was fired. Some of us fans be pissed that we had to be watching this crap team over the past five seasons and we will be suffering through some of his mistakes for the next few seasons. We still ain't got a qb man. Yeah, remember? The other dude you all slobbered over and said we should sign to an extension with dom. You talk about bad? Now that was bad yo.
I hate to pile on but this was a bad thread.
Are you saying he was a good GM?He wasn't. You can like someone personally and think they stink at their job(as he did).
Well, then who should we pick this year in the draft? Let's see if you have better foresight than our new GM.
Best possible scenario is Watkins being there but I doubt it (Bridgewater or Manziel would have been ideal)In no way do I think we should trade up, trade down if possible for either Ebron, Kony Ealy or Marqise Lee (in that order)Sadly since Penn, Nicks and Joseph are what they are... and if we can't move out from #7 we have to take a guy like Greg Robinson or Jake Matthews, if not maybe we could have taken the risk on Barr or Mack
great, only ten guys?
I hate to pile on but this was a bad thread.
Yo mark man. I like you dawg, but your comment just supports all some of us be saying about pr man. You guys are completely prejudiced in favor of marky mark Dominick. You be losing credibility on this topic man, especially by not only not making more of doms failures, but going as far as to make excuses for the man after he was fired. Some of us fans be pissed that we had to be watching this crap team over the past five seasons and we will be suffering through some of his mistakes for the next few seasons. We still ain't got a qb man. Yeah, remember? The other dude you all slobbered over and said we should sign to an extension with dom. You talk about bad? Now that was bad yo.
Well first of all it was really in jest, following the lead of the first page of posters, but I get what you are saying. Part of the theme of this original topic was about what could have been. And to me that is the silly part. Truthfully there were 31 other GMs who also choose other players besides the ones listed. Way too easy to look back and pick and choose players who were successful and hammer someone for the players that weren't. Of course Dom made some terrible draft choices, but because we so closely follow the team it is magnified tremendously. I think the first three years grade would be a D, and the last two a solid B. But you know what, the Glazers said that wasn't good enough. And we never wrote a single article disagreeing with their decision. This is a results based profession, from GMs to coaches to the players, and overall the record wasn't good enough. But I'm not sure what purpose it serves to look back and complain about the past. It's over. But I do understand what you guys are saying. A lot of you guys have to sacrifice all year to buy season tickets, and then to go to every game and sit in the heat among a number of idiotic drunks to watch substandard football. It is frustrating. Maybe we aren't sensitive enough to the fans at times. Maybe we don't always look at things from the fan's perspective and should more. I am glad you brought these things up.But again, if I can make one point again, SR nor myself were not shocked, surprised or angry when Dominik and Schiano got fired. And we never tried to make a case for them after the fact. There were some solid selections under Dominik and some duds, but same goes for Bruce Allen, Rich McKay, Phil Kruger and even Ron Wolf in the first couple of seasons.And yes I personally think a lot of Mark Dominik. He is a terrific person, father and husband. I will admit that for everyone to read. But I do not think he did as bad a job as some on here do. Let's see how this foundation he left turns out. Will it turn into the late 90's team that Dungy continued to build that eventually won a Super Bowl. the legacy of a GM sometimes is like a presidents. When the leave office you can't always say how good or bad they did, but it doesn't take many years to figure it out.Thanks for the feedback and keep it coming. SR and I are man enough to take a look in the mirror and admit when we make mistakes and try and find ways to improve.
It's not a horrible thread, just a horrible idea for a thread.
Good analogy mc. And as we know we can debate how good most presidents were. Just angry and sad at six non-playoff years. It's not 1995 but we don't need that again.
I am with you OP. Dominik was a huge failure. And it's not as if I did not say it a million times. They had no idea on talent. They drafted a guy with a plan for when he would start rather than making them win a spot. I won't name the list but it is littered with failure. His free agents? If someone wants to make a list and try to prove otherwise go ahead but reality was he sucked balls at signing free agents. This was his biggest weakness. The draft? I guess I am just a great talent evaluator because I would have smoked him with my top players opposed to who he chose. And I am one guy who doesn't watch college football except for the recruits after the NFL season is over. Maybe that was the problem. If you have too many different opinions that doesn't help to make a decision. This whole collective decision idea is bs. A decision needs to be for the lack of a better word, decisive. One man needs to have the final say. I don't think that Dominik ever was that one guy in charge who made all the decisions and therefore if you need a collective agreement on something you are only as good as the weakest link in that chain. And if that is the case which I suspect it to be then the criticism needs to be directed at the higher ups who have structured the system in such a way.As for the salary cap we are estimated to have about $12.5 million as of right now. The defense is above average but not elite. We are a few players away on defense and about 5 players away on offense. If he was good at anything it was giving the guaranteed money upfront in the contract. So, while we are in sorry shape right now, if we play it smart we can dig ourselves out of that hole in a few years. But did Dominik do us any favors? Hell no. I really liked the guy too. I think that was part of the problem. I wanted him to succeed and probably gave him too much leeway. Just like PR did.
We haven't really had a talent developer since Dungy and McKay. Gruden is more of an X's and O's guy and squeezes ability out of what you have on your plate but doesnt really develop guys. And Allen just sort of went with him. Raheem was too inexperienced and in over his head with everything else to be trying to develop anyone. He couldnt even control the locker room. And Schiano created a difficult environment to grow/learn in...although I think he was better evaluating talent than Raheem was.We'll see what Lovie/Licht do. Although Lovie did a pretty decent job in Chicago...especially on the defensive side. So I really wouldnt worry about that unit. I agree with Dungy that the defense could be top 10 in a year or two.
this is the shlttiest 4 page thread ever......in the history of the interwebz.
The thread title is 100% correct , however.The results don't lie.
The thread title is 100% correct , however.The results don't lie.
and the results are all that matter. Dom certainly seems to be a great person, but he was paid for results . . . and they don't lie