Man, are they becoming Bucs North? http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10430834/doug-williams-returns-washington-redskins-executive "The timing wasn't right in 2010 when Doug Williams first started talking to the Washington Redskins about a front office position. But it was right in 2014. And, after talking for a few weeks, the Redskins and Williams finally agreed on a deal. The Redskins hired Williams to become a personnel executive under general manager Bruce Allen, bringing back a piece of the franchise's storied past. Williams quarterbacked the Redskins to a Super Bowl win after the 1987 season. He became the first African-American quarterback to play in a Super Bowl and earned MVP honors after passing for 340 yards and four touchdowns in the Redskins' 42-10 victory over the Denver Broncos."It's great to be home again," Williams said in a press release. "I have only one mission: to help this team obtain the talent it needs so the fans can experience the Super Bowl they deserve."In 2010, Williams opted to become a general manager in the United Football League instead of joining the Redskins' front office.Williams spent five years as a personnel executive with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers from 2004-08 -- the same length of time that Allen spent as the Bucs' general manager. Also, current Redskins coach Jay Gruden was an assistant coach with the Buccaneers during that period.Williams stuck around after those two left, serving as the Bucs' director of pro personnel in 2009. He was Grambling's head coach from 1998-2003 and again from 2011-13 before being fired in September.Williams has 17 seasons of NFL experience -- nine as a player and eight in personnel roles. He played with Washington from 1986-89, was named as a member of the 80 Greatest Redskins and is a Redskins Ring of Famer."
I am going to have to agree with "buccaneer4ever" here. You are reading statistics McBarron. While I would agree that good old #12 was erratic with his accuracy and the completion % was not acceptable, he had a way of going on a streak during the course of a game where he hit some big passes, scrambled from time to time to gain some yardage, and put enough points on the board to win. He was a young guy when he was here, just out of Grambling (not exactly a big time college football program), and had alot of expectations put on him. And he had us knocking on the door to the Super Bowl before he left. Sure, those were some good defensive teams but #12 contributed to those wins as well. Too bad Hugh Culverhouse didnt want to pay him. Right about the time he was coming in to his own, the old man let him walk and he found Super Bowl success elsewhere. Williams left and the Bucs ended up with Leeman Bennett. Idiots. Oh, don't compare him to Vinny or DeBerg either. Vinny was a big, tall interception waiting to happen. And as for Steve DeBerg, he was what I always described him to be.."The only QB to have played for the Bucs that would keep both teams in the game". Williams was close to being a franchise QB....Steve Young may have been closer! Thanks Hugh, you friggin boner!
I am going to have to agree with "buccaneer4ever" here. You are reading statistics McBarron. While I would agree that good old #12 was erratic with his accuracy and the completion % was not acceptable, he had a way of going on a streak during the course of a game where he hit some big passes, scrambled from time to time to gain some yardage, and put enough points on the board to win. He was a young guy when he was here, just out of Grambling (not exactly a big time college football program), and had alot of expectations put on him. And he had us knocking on the door to the Super Bowl before he left. Sure, those were some good defensive teams but #12 contributed to those wins as well. Too bad Hugh Culverhouse didnt want to pay him. Right about the time he was coming in to his own, the old man let him walk and he found Super Bowl success elsewhere. Williams left and the Bucs ended up with Leeman Bennett. Idiots. Oh, don't compare him to Vinny or DeBerg either. Vinny was a big, tall interception waiting to happen. And as for Steve DeBerg, he was what I always described him to be.."The only QB to have played for the Bucs that would keep both teams in the game". Williams was close to being a franchise QB....Steve Young may have been closer! Thanks Hugh, you friggin boner!
I was too young to actually remember watching Doug play.....so, I have that going against me. All I can go off is his numbers. How good would he have been if he didn't have Ricky Bell and then James Wilder being the successful backs they were? His stats in both Tampa and Washington were pedestrian, at best (save the SB XXII performance).
He did have some good backs behind him but beleive me, the offensive line and receviers weren't the most talented group of guys in the world. You are correct in how you are summarizing his numbers. That completion % especially. But all I can say is, and I did watch him play, he made plays to win games when he had to. He may have been a fantasy football bust had it been around back then. But he found ways to make enough plays to win with an offensive cast that wasn't all that spectacular. See if you can go pull up some old tape of him and watch. He could sling it (not a high % guy) and he could run with it. Lets say he was better than his numbers showed. Trust me....a better player than Vinny and better than DeBerg...find some tape out there on the internet McBarron! You will see alot of not very impressive, and then he'd just go on a run and string some drives together. Drove me nuts sometimes, but he found a way to win. Hugh Culverhouse was either being cheap or had spent too much time in the sun when he decided to let him go.
Its nice to see Mr. Williams holding a position in the NFL while Mark remains jobless.
He did have some good backs behind him but beleive me, the offensive line and receviers weren't the most talented group of guys in the world. You are correct in how you are summarizing his numbers. That completion % especially. But all I can say is, and I did watch him play, he made plays to win games when he had to. He may have been a fantasy football bust had it been around back then. But he found ways to make enough plays to win with an offensive cast that wasn't all that spectacular. See if you can go pull up some old tape of him and watch. He could sling it (not a high % guy) and he could run with it. Lets say he was better than his numbers showed. Trust me....a better player than Vinny and better than DeBerg...find some tape out there on the internet McBarron! You will see alot of not very impressive, and then he'd just go on a run and string some drives together. Drove me nuts sometimes, but he found a way to win. Hugh Culverhouse was either being cheap or had spent too much time in the sun when he decided to let him go.
I get it, especially given the era. Think of Bradshaw (212:210 / 51.9%), Plunkett (164:198 / 52.5%) and Namath (173:220 / 50.1%), whose numbers are also very pedestrian. All those guys won Super Bowls, and both Terry and Joe are in the HoF. Looks to me that Namath was VASTLY overrated, and for him to be in the HoF seems to be a complete farce. Those stats REALLY suck. At least Doug had more TDs than INTs. EDIT: Stats are (TD:INT / Completion %)
Its nice to see Mr. Williams holding a position in the NFL while Mark remains jobless.
Why? Dom genuinely loves tampa bay, and Williams is a traitor.
I am curious as to the reason for ripping Dominick as well - if it were job related a case can be made, but this argument doesn't appear to be based upon that...
Come on guys, forget stats of a bad tem. Or tell me who would have thouht Steve Young a hall of famer watching him run for his life in Sombrero. Noone who went to our games could even guess that! You can apply that to nearly any QB in a creamsicle era.I saw every single Doug Wiliams home game but one, all games Steve Deberg and Steve Young played here. Doug was a good QB, first one who gave us a hope, and we chased him away, same as any other hope we had under Hugh Culverhouse! Still that was fun, great old times, but I want us winning, and we did that only under Dungy and Gruden. Honestly seing that clueless rowdy Schiano chase away one good player after another reminded me of those times .. in all negative aspects!Doug was a good guy, I am not happy he's elsewhere.
