well they knew he wasn't a good head coach when they made him head coach. that's the ridiculous part
most coaches that get second head coaching gigs were good elsewhere or somewhat successful to warrant it.
That is a strange argument, but the Bucs hired Bowles AT ARIANS' URGING to keep continuity for a Super Bowl team, right?
February 1, 2022 - Brady retires
March 14, 2022 - Brady UNRETIRES
March 31, 2022 - Arians steps down and Bucs appoint Bowles
Bowles was part of a team that won a Super Bowl and that win came with the defense SHINING, so that was the "good elsewhere or somewhat successful to warrant it,"right? Hes just an internal promotion driven in large part by the "keep the band together" approach after Brady un-retired.
And LAST SEASON he had even more "good elsewhere or somewhat successful to warrant it," right? With almost NO PLAYER HELP?
The standout difference this season so far is INJURIES.
Not saying Bowles is great, just that everyone was signing a different tune as recently as the Detroit game LOL
(The Bucs would have been hard pressed to hire a head coach outside of Bowles because what HC wants to come here with Brady "retiring for good" and the team a billion $ in dead money so no FAs. Bowles REPORTEDLY couldnt get several OCs to come here.)
i dont think we will ever know the full picture
1. Arians was on Rich Eisen podcast explaining how he wanted to leave Bowles in a good situation. Arians has also been very supportive of equality and proponent of hiring minority assistants.
2. the other notion is that Brady didnt want Arians as head coach. Him coming back and that was one of the requirements. Rather than make it obvious and do it on March 14th, they waited 2 weeks to do it. This left them with little choice as Bowles over Leftwich is obvious
so it's 1 or 2 guys. Pick your poison.
the defense sucks which ok blame Licht for deciding to bring back Wirfs, Evans, etc. rather than keep Davis but decisions had to be made given the dead cap space; and Licht chose correctly
Just saw this bit of TRUTH
Not sure Licht or Bowles deserve "blame" for roster deficiencies because "decisions had to be made."
And then there are injuries
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If honesty was required to post here, most fans would've said BEFORE THE GAME that this game was all but lost without Evans and Godwin, ESPECIALLY with no real way to cure the defensive deficits that led to the 509 yds last time.
But, the games was actually CLOSE and even with the OFFENSE gifting the early lead to the Falcons.
Go forward to the 3rd quarter and the DEFENSE (that someone said could not adjust) got a STOP and the OFFENSE responded with . . an INTERCEPTION
The DEFENSE got ANOTHER STOP . .. only to have the SPECIAL TEAMS gift the Falcons a TD
the OFFENSE threw it away AGAIN
The DEFENSE responded with a SAFETY etc etc.
The defense struggled, yes. BUT in a game without our two best players on offense, the defense (that couldnt adjust lol) largely did its part in the SECOND HALF
We actually had the ball at the end and WITH Godwin and Evans we might very well have walked off with a win
well they knew he wasn't a good head coach when they made him head coach. that's the ridiculous part
most coaches that get second head coaching gigs were good elsewhere or somewhat successful to warrant it.
That is a strange argument, but the Bucs hired Bowles AT ARIANS' URGING to keep continuity for a Super Bowl team, right?
February 1, 2022 - Brady retires
March 14, 2022 - Brady UNRETIRES
March 31, 2022 - Arians steps down and Bucs appoint Bowles
Bowles was part of a team that won a Super Bowl and that win came with the defense SHINING, so that was the "good elsewhere or somewhat successful to warrant it,"right? Hes just an internal promotion driven in large part by the "keep the band together" approach after Brady un-retired.
And LAST SEASON he had even more "good elsewhere or somewhat successful to warrant it," right? With almost NO PLAYER HELP?
The standout difference this season so far is INJURIES.
Not saying Bowles is great, just that everyone was signing a different tune as recently as the Detroit game LOL
(The Bucs would have been hard pressed to hire a head coach outside of Bowles because what HC wants to come here with Brady "retiring for good" and the team a billion $ in dead money so no FAs. Bowles REPORTEDLY couldnt get several OCs to come here.)
i dont think we will ever know the full picture
1. Arians was on Rich Eisen podcast explaining how he wanted to leave Bowles in a good situation. Arians has also been very supportive of equality and proponent of hiring minority assistants.
2. the other notion is that Brady didnt want Arians as head coach. Him coming back and that was one of the requirements. Rather than make it obvious and do it on March 14th, they waited 2 weeks to do it. This left them with little choice as Bowles over Leftwich is obvious
so it's 1 or 2 guys. Pick your poison.
The coaching changes you are discussing happens in LATE MARCH. No other realistic option at that point.
Even the Bucs saw the problem because they gave Bowles a FIVE YEAR deal.
Who is the established/big name Head Coach candidate who wants to take over the Bucs, as compared to the other options out there in 2023?
The Bucs are Brady retiring, most of the SB cogs gone. Evans getting older. Godwin injured. White head case over a contract. And the team SERIOUSLY UNDERWATER on the cap such that the "plan" is to start Trask and go with no FREE AGENTS
With that TERRIBLE situtaiton, Bowles suggested Mayfield, brought in Canales and a throw away season became something.
Bowles time is probably coming to a close, but the Red Board is not OBP. Inside OBP, Bowles is probably a bit of a savior for getting something out of INTENTIONAL Trask-led nothingness. He not an affirmative action hire (yikes), he's a SB winning in-house DC who got elevated to HC because he was a SB winning DC and the team probably had a small line of HC candidates who were ready to RUN IT BACK WITH TRASK!
This is the same team that elevated an OC to HC to help Famous Jameis, right? That elevated a truly unprepared Raheem the Dream in a similar scenario.
This is the same team that elevated an OC to HC to help Famous Jameis, right?
by the way, how did that scenario unfold? Wasnt it DEFENSIVE-MINDED OLDER HEAD COACH fired in favor of elevating creative OC?
lol
@badabingbucs well if we fire Todd . We lose or OC who I like . And most like we for sure lose Godwin who maybe tired of the OC switching .
@badabingbucs well if we fire Todd . We lose or OC who I like . And most like we for sure lose Godwin who maybe tired of the OC switching .
i mean not if you make Coen the head coach
but much like last year when we were 4-7 and wanted the axe...you'd make Coen interim to see if he can handle the job
again, i'd put it at 0.01% chance he gets fired in season. The guy made the playoffs his first 2 years as head coach. While i agree he isn't a good head coach, likely in the bottom 12 in the league, resume wise, tough to fire him in season. Wouldn't make sense from an expectation perspective.
I'd put it at 5% he gets hired in the off-season and that's only if Coen is getting head coaching looks and the Glazers want to keep him. If Coen isn't and stays as OC, yeah Bowles isn't going anywhere. We'd have to finish like 4-13 or 5-12, then it gets up to 75% he's gone. 6 wins, a coin flip 50/50. 7 or better wins, 95%-100%.
the fact that a lesser playcaller got a head coaching job in Canales tells me that Coen may be in demand, particular if the offense continues to average 26-30 points a game without Godwin/Evans
Godwin is likely a coin flip to return. Depends on his recovery time whether the Bucs are ruthless or not. And he doesn't return with a contract extension. Would be a franchise tag most likely.
Depends on his recovery time whether the Bucs are ruthless or not. And he doesn't return with a contract extension. Would be a franchise tag most likely.
this is a fascinating side topic. Especially when you see Godwin unfortunately going off in a cart and telling his trainer that its time to get back to work!
What a terrible loss for Godwin and the team. The Bucs have been so fortunate to have him and Evans
Depends on his recovery time whether the Bucs are ruthless or not. And he doesn't return with a contract extension. Would be a franchise tag most likely.
this is a fascinating side topic. Especially when you see Godwin unfortunately going off in a cart and telling his trainer that its time to get back to work!
What a terrible loss for Godwin and the team. The Bucs have been so fortunate to have him and Evans
reminds me somewhat like when the Cowboys didnt extend Dak in a contract year and he got hurt. i think they franchised tagged him that off-season or maybe even extended him.
QB and WR are too different things but given Godwin closing in on 30, i'd be surprised if they gave him a new contract and would think a one year flier to see if he can recover
it really is ashame. Dude was best WR in the league this year, and was easily going to get a 4 year, $100M deal.
That is the rub. Coen isn't ready to be a HC. You can't hire a new HC and force him to keep the OC, and if the OC stays then he's not beholden to the HC. The new HC knows that he's working with an OC who is popular with the front office, and he has no control over, so he's basically just a placeholder until the OC is ready to take over. Nobody worth their salt would take the job under those conditions.@badabingbucs well if we fire Todd . We lose or OC who I like . And most like we for sure lose Godwin who maybe tired of the OC switching .
So to those who want Bowles fired, are you choosing to...
A) Elevate Coen to the HC position after only one year as OC.
B) Clean house.
?
That is the rub. Coen isn't ready to be a HC. You can't hire a new HC and force him to keep the OC, and if the OC stays then he's not beholden to the HC. The new HC knows that he's working with an OC who is popular with the front office, and he has no control over, so he's basically just a placeholder until the OC is ready to take over. Nobody worth their salt would take the job under those conditions.@badabingbucs well if we fire Todd . We lose or OC who I like . And most like we for sure lose Godwin who maybe tired of the OC switching .
So to those who want Bowles fired, are you choosing to...
A) Elevate Coen to the HC position after only one year as OC.
B) Clean house.
?
what's this assumption that Coen isn't ready to be Head Coach? says who?
the offense isn't broken. Still performed at a high level without Evans or Godwin
the defense is broken. Arguably worst in the league. Bowles is the defacto Defensive Coordinator
He's been a coordinator for eight games.That is the rub. Coen isn't ready to be a HC. You can't hire a new HC and force him to keep the OC, and if the OC stays then he's not beholden to the HC. The new HC knows that he's working with an OC who is popular with the front office, and he has no control over, so he's basically just a placeholder until the OC is ready to take over. Nobody worth their salt would take the job under those conditions.@badabingbucs well if we fire Todd . We lose or OC who I like . And most like we for sure lose Godwin who maybe tired of the OC switching .
So to those who want Bowles fired, are you choosing to...
A) Elevate Coen to the HC position after only one year as OC.
B) Clean house.
?
what's this assumption that Coen isn't ready to be Head Coach? says who?
Was it Bowles coaching that lost the game, or being outmanned? I think it was mostly the latter.Not to defend the job Bowles is doing but....
…proceeds to defend Bowles.
What I don't know is when this team was assembled, what was Bowles role? The Bucs decided to roll with more draft picks and UDFAs than any team in recent memory. They decided to stock the practice squad with the players they cut rather than scouring the waiver wire to find castoffs from other teams. Everyone was saying how great it was, but it turns out that maybe they could have used a little more help. Did this happen because Licht was overly confident in his ability to draft and sign UDFAs? Or was Bowles too loyal wanting a tight knit group and told Licht "We're good with our group of players..." Or some combination. To the extent that Bowles didn't push for bringing in any more competition for the depth players on this team, then that's on Bowles. If he pushed for it and didn't get it, then that's on Licht. We'll never know.
He's been a coordinator for eight games.That is the rub. Coen isn't ready to be a HC. You can't hire a new HC and force him to keep the OC, and if the OC stays then he's not beholden to the HC. The new HC knows that he's working with an OC who is popular with the front office, and he has no control over, so he's basically just a placeholder until the OC is ready to take over. Nobody worth their salt would take the job under those conditions.@badabingbucs well if we fire Todd . We lose or OC who I like . And most like we for sure lose Godwin who maybe tired of the OC switching .
So to those who want Bowles fired, are you choosing to...
A) Elevate Coen to the HC position after only one year as OC.
B) Clean house.
?
what's this assumption that Coen isn't ready to be Head Coach? says who?
didn't he call plays for the rams? Hell, his resume is veteran like compared to Canales
Folks warning that if we can his ass that he will be picked up seem to have forgotten the past few seasons and how bad this defense has looked at times. Remember the playoff game against the Rams and terrible defense he was calling that game that inevitably led to the loss? Bowles is not a good head coach. The game has passed up his usefulness and he hasn't adapted. The Bucs will not get rid of him.......but they should.
