Bowles has been the DC since 2019 and his defenses have been good pretty much the whole time until this year. Now the defense sucks and SR wants to pin it on the coaching. Well Bowles didn't forget how to coach. Whether he's a good HC or not is another story, but he knows how to coach defenses.In his Fab 5 SR brings up a good point that Bowles' defensive staff is older and Bowles is not likely to move on from any of them. If the defense struggles down the stretch the team could ask him to update his staff. According to SR he would refuse so one of the typical interim steps for a HC is gone.
Thats not really what SR says.
SR makes an argument that the offense has succeeded in areas where it has struggled for years, like the running game. He suggests that what stands out is that we got rid of the older running game coaches in favor of a much younger lineup. SR says its possible that their relative youth makes a difference because Bucs players are young. He also suggest that younger coaches are more willing to adjust and change.
This is close to the point ehinote has made by saying the league has figured Bowles out.
I'm not buying the idea that Bowles coaches are out of touch or something. Perhaps thats part of it. I think it's the weak link theory. You are only as strong as the weakest link, and I think that's particularly true with this year's team for some reason. The Bowles defense is unable to function properly when one or two of the pieces are not functioning. One or two guys are not cutting it and they get exploited and the rest of the defense starts to deteriorate from there. Perhaps it's the nature of Bowles defense. Perhaps its that offenses are more honed in than ever at exploiting the opponents weakest spot. It started with KJ Britt and then it spreads outward and previously solid players start looking bad, like Whitehead. There were a couple chinks in the armor, and they didn't get fixed. That's all guys like Cousins need is one chink and they'll make you pay, and pretty soon the rest of the defense starts to come apart at the seams.Bowles has been the DC since 2019 and his defenses have been good pretty much the whole time until this year. Now the defense sucks and SR wants to pin it on the coaching. Well Bowles didn't forget how to coach. Whether he's a good HC or not is another story, but he knows how to coach defenses.In his Fab 5 SR brings up a good point that Bowles' defensive staff is older and Bowles is not likely to move on from any of them. If the defense struggles down the stretch the team could ask him to update his staff. According to SR he would refuse so one of the typical interim steps for a HC is gone.
Thats not really what SR says.
SR makes an argument that the offense has succeeded in areas where it has struggled for years, like the running game. He suggests that what stands out is that we got rid of the older running game coaches in favor of a much younger lineup. SR says its possible that their relative youth makes a difference because Bucs players are young. He also suggest that younger coaches are more willing to adjust and change.
This is close to the point ehinote has made by saying the league has figured Bowles out.
Perhaps it's the nature of Bowles defense.
Nature of Bowles defense is like the nature of Coen's offense, its show one thing do another. Thats why a guy with speed like Devin White (with LVD) works so well and why a one-dimensional guy like Britt does not. It's why he likes edge players who can rush and drop in coverage. Its why its critical that the safeties perform and why you need a special nickel (why he moved AJW there briefly).
But, to SR's point the run game sucked in 2022 because the two OLDER coaches (Goodwin and the other) were set in their ways and did not relate to the players well. SR made this point by showing that those guys have done. nothing to improve the run game in Carolina. By comparison, we have all seen wth our own eyes a Oline that has excelled and RBs that have excelled in part because the coaching has adjusted IN REAL TIME eg gap versus mid-zone. Y
You might recall the Harold Goodwin (now with panthers) specifically pointing out the Arians run game was built around ONE play, like a running game might be built around mid zone. The Bucs would not deviate from that one play with Goodwin, but move right away from ineffective mid zone with Coen etc
So, at a minimum SR is making an interesting argument that may be on to something
(I thought it was intersting beause SR goes on to point out that Bowles aint firing any of his old coaches he has had around since TEMPLE days, like he fired Goodwin
[I'm not buying the idea that Bowles coaches are out of touch or something. Perhaps thats part of it. I think it's the weak link theory. You are only as strong as the weakest link, and I think that's particularly true with this year's team for some reason. The Bowles defense is unable to function properly when one or two of the pieces are not functioning. One or two guys are not cutting it and they get exploited and the rest of the defense starts to deteriorate from there. Perhaps it's the nature of Bowles defense. Perhaps its that offenses are more honed in than ever at exploiting the opponents weakest spot. It started with KJ Britt and then it spreads outward and previously solid players start looking bad, like Whitehead. There were a couple chinks in the armor, and they didn't get fixed. That's all guys like Cousins need is one chink and they'll make you pay, and pretty soon the rest of the defense starts to come apart at the seams.
excellent points. I’d agree. Maybe teams aren’t so much attacking weaknesses, they’re creating them. Attack those hybrid positions that make Bowles system work, game after game, with your biggest weapons, you wear them down. Buc fans weren’t the only ones capable of figuring out that depth would be a problem at those positions.
I’m not saying opponents were trying to physically take out specific positions / but we’ve faced/will face some of the more talented/highly skilled offensive folks for multiple games during this tough part of the schedule. Just like KC’s o-line in the run game… they’re going to bash/wear down our D-Line/front seven group who have all already spent time on the injury report.
We’ll see. Interesting post.
The Bucs defense does not have an answer for the quick passing game
Apparently, a lot of teams struggle with that, we’ve scored a lot of points off of it…
Apparently, a lot of teams struggle with that, we’ve scored a lot of points off of it…
Agreed.
We struggled with it last year too. Its just that we held up in the RZ.
Lots of reasons its different this year
So, you say this:
But Koetter was just not HC material IMO. He didn't have the presence to command an entire team. He barely had a winning record at the college level at 40-34 let alone the NFL.
Yet, turn around and say this:
Well Bowles didn't forget how to coach.
...about a guy who's 47-62 as a Head Coach.
Keep scouring for coach-speak about how great Devin White is.
There's plenty of sound bites from Bowles (in regards to Devin). It's almost like a 2-for-1 happy hour, which is ironic considering we're referencing the liquored-up litigator.
Speaking of some coach-speak gems, here's another recent one from Bowles:
"Bucs head coach Todd Bowles says, LB K.J. Britt has shown production by having 10 tackles..."
Per SR via Twitter
I'm clearly talking about Bowles as a defensive coordinator. "Well Bowles didn't forget how to coach. Whether he's a good HC or not is another story, but he knows how to coach defenses." There's my full quote which you intentionally took out of context. Suck on that.So, you say this:
But Koetter was just not HC material IMO. He didn't have the presence to command an entire team. He barely had a winning record at the college level at 40-34 let alone the NFL.
Yet, turn around and say this:
Well Bowles didn't forget how to coach.
...about a guy who's 47-62 as a Head Coach.
The cycle is complete
I point out you two have some questionable FOOTBALL takes or highlight your obvious TROLLING
you two post TO EACH OTHER to name call
Keep scouring for coach-speak about how great Devin White is.
There's plenty of sound bites from Bowles (in regards to Devin). It's almost like a 2-for-1 happy hour, which is ironic considering we're referencing the liquored-up litigator.
Speaking of some coach-speak gems, here's another recent one from Bowles:
"Bucs head coach Todd Bowles says, LB K.J. Britt has shown production by having 10 tackles..."
Per SR via Twitter
that cycle repeats over and over . .lol
Bowles has been the DC since 2019 and his defenses have been good pretty much the whole time until this year. Now the defense sucks and SR wants to pin it on the coaching. Well Bowles didn't forget how to coach. Whether he's a good HC or not is another story, but he knows how to coach defenses.In his Fab 5 SR brings up a good point that Bowles' defensive staff is older and Bowles is not likely to move on from any of them. If the defense struggles down the stretch the team could ask him to update his staff. According to SR he would refuse so one of the typical interim steps for a HC is gone.
Thats not really what SR says.
SR makes an argument that the offense has succeeded in areas where it has struggled for years, like the running game. He suggests that what stands out is that we got rid of the older running game coaches in favor of a much younger lineup. SR says its possible that their relative youth makes a difference because Bucs players are young. He also suggest that younger coaches are more willing to adjust and change.
This is close to the point ehinote has made by saying the league has figured Bowles out.
This was sort of SR's point, made in a roundabout way by WIRFS
“It’s completely different,” Wirfs said. “You have to look around our O-line room when I was a rookie. It was a roomful of vets.
“[Ryan] Jensen was in Year-[6]. [Donovan Smith] was in Year-[5]. Ali [Marpet] was in Year-[5]. Josh Wells was in Year-[6]. [Alex Cappa] was in Year-[3].
“You can’t compare the two just from the aspect of the amount of football the [2020 line] had played.”
It relates to SR's point because the current line is relatively young (not typically the best thing for an O-line) compared to the SB line and yet they are really performing well with a newer, younger coaching staff (as compares to the defense).
just a theory
Well Bowles didn't forget how to coach. Whether he's a good HC or not is another story, but he knows how to coach defenses." There's my full quote which you intentionally took out of context. Suck on that.
Didn’t need to take anything out of context. But, since you bring it up.
In the last 8 years, he’s had more defenses ranked near dead last in points given up than ones ranked in the Top-10 in the same category.
Suck on that.
Bowles is not going to be released unless the Bucs lose 7 or more of their remaining games. Injuries and salary cap hits are built in excuses for Bowles be retained for another year.
more defenses ranked near dead last in points given up than ones
last year TOP 7 in SCORING?
I read that here. Someone used to post that as a way of saying the defense was GOOD
